Brexit back in crisis as UK threatens to undercut divorce pact

[Bluespunk]

14 minutes ago, crobe said:

UK Minister admits: We will break international law

 

In the commons today, the Northern Ireland secretary, Brandon Lewis was asked: "Will he assure us that nothing proposed in this legislation does or potentially might breach international obligations or international legal arrangements?"

The Northern Ireland Secretary replied: "Yes. This does break international law in a very specific and limited way."

Yeah, so limited the head of the governments legal department quit today.

Edited September 8, 2020 by Bluespunk

[Rookiescot]

I actually feel a bit sorry for the Brexiteers today.

They were lied to on an industrial scale.

[crobe]

Yes, M'lud - I did murder him, but only in a very specific and limited way

[RayC]

36 minutes ago, crobe said:

UK Minister admits: We will break international law

 

In the commons today, the Northern Ireland secretary, Brandon Lewis was asked: "Will he assure us that nothing proposed in this legislation does or potentially might breach international obligations or international legal arrangements?"

The Northern Ireland Secretary replied: "Yes. This does break international law in a very specific and limited way."

How can a government retain credibility or respect when it admits that it is about to break international law?

[Rookiescot]

29 minutes ago, RayC said:

How can a government retain credibility or respect when it admits that it is about to break international law?

10 years ago that would have caused a government to fall.

Now?

Its just a normal day in the office.

Along with Prime Ministers lying to parliament, to the people and to the international community. Indeed Johnson even lied to the Queen over his reasons for suspending parliament.

But to the Brexit faithful all that is forgivable. 

Immigration and blue passports. Thats what counts.

[RayC]

11 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

10 years ago that would have caused a government to fall.

Now?

Its just a normal day in the office.

Along with Prime Ministers lying to parliament, to the people and to the international community. Indeed Johnson even lied to the Queen over his reasons for suspending parliament.

But to the Brexit faithful all that is forgivable. 

Immigration and blue passports. Thats what counts.

Unfortunately, I have to agree.

 

Presumably this proposed piece of legislation will need to be laid before Parliament? If so, one can only hope that Tory minsters and MPs find some backbone and vote it down.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

I actually feel a bit sorry for the Brexiteers today.

They were lied to on an industrial scale.

Lies from both sides - but the leave side contributions were, at least, not on a continental/global scale - plus we can directly elect our own domestic liars every five years! Yay!

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

How can a government retain credibility or respect when it admits that it is about to break international law?

Brexiteers never had any credibility or respect. Ever since the referendum and before, they became well known for lying, bullying, and lacking knowledge. That’s why I said from the very beginning on we are better off without them. This episode now just underlines they cannot be trusted.
 

 

20 minutes ago, RayC said:

Unfortunately, I have to agree.

 

Presumably this proposed piece of legislation will need to be laid before Parliament? If so, one can only hope that Tory minsters and MPs find some backbone and vote it down.

Does the Queen also have to sign it off? 

Edited September 8, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace

[david555]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

How can a government retain credibility or respect when it admits that it is about to break international law?

That has bin brought up as a question in HOC. today by ex PM  May .....

So international law signatures from U.K. could not be trusted by future ones.....

 

U.K legal specialists see this could end in th E.C.J. and U.K. risk to become hefty fined and possible  embargo on some trade ...

Edited September 8, 2020 by david555

[nauseus]

36 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Brexiteers never had any credibility or respect. Ever since the referendum and before, they became well known for lying, bullying, and lacking knowledge. That’s why I said from the very beginning on we are better off without them. This episode now just underlines they cannot be trusted.
 

 

Does the Queen also have to sign it off? 

grrrrrrr

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

That has bin brought up as a question in HOC. today by ex PM  May .....

So international law signatures from U.K. could not be trusted by future ones.....

 

U.K legal specialists see this could end in th E.C.J. and U.K. risk to become hefty fined and possible  embargo on some trade ...

grrrrrrr

[david555]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

How can a government retain credibility or respect when it admits that it is about to break international law?

That has bin brought up as a question in HOC. today by ex PM  May .....

So international law signatures from U.K. could not be trusted by future ones.....

U.K legal specialists see this could end in th E.C.J. and U.K. risk to become hefty fined and possible  embargo on some trade ...

Edited September 8, 2020 by david555

[david555]

Could give Spain a reason to break the agreement about Gibraltar also ....!!!! ????????????????????????

Yesterday Boris opened a can of worms ....better knowed as Box of Pandora .....

Is it possible his corona virus affected something under his Skull..????

[david555]

Oh ...why all the fuzz Boris is tricking us all again .????...he is just making barnum publicity for his ....next U-TURN..????????

 

BY giving the fish away ....????

Edited September 8, 2020 by david555

[david555]

And tomorrow it is PM question time in HOC....i think i know somebody who go put him in the frying pan ...or better said dissect him ....????

 

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

That has bin brought up as a question in HOC. today by ex PM  May .....

So international law signatures from U.K. could not be trusted by future ones.....

U.K legal specialists see this could end in the E.C.J. and U.K. risk to become hefty fined and possible  embargo on some trade ...

Not a legacy that any government of any colour would want to leave in the annals of UK political history you would have thought, breaking international law, leading to the UK being seen as no longer a country whose word you could trust. Very hard not to imagine the reptilian hand of Cummings here, Johnson simply hasn't got the brains to do this on his own. 

 

I did read the odd idea that somehow this was the EU's fault for having the audacity to ask for a level playing field. I can't see what possible link there could be to cause us to break the terms of a legal document that we have signed. The EU have been saying a level playing field is necessary for years, so what new impact could that have now.

[david555]

35 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Not a legacy that any government of any colour would want to leave in the annals of UK political history you would have thought, breaking international law, leading to the UK being seen as no longer a country whose word you could trust. Very hard not to imagine the reptilian hand of Cummings here, Johnson simply hasn't got the brains to do this on his own. 

 

I did read the odd idea that somehow this was the EU's fault for having the audacity to ask for a level playing field. I can't see what possible link there could be to cause us to break the terms of a legal document that we have signed. The EU have been saying a level playing field is necessary for years, so what new impact could that have now.

Next day's only shall bring clearity ....depending how the HOC go react on it ....as trowing as PM  your signature in the bin is serious !.....however there is a precedent : ....

 

Hitler signed once a non attaque treathy ....and next  he invaded Russia ...! ????

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 8, 2020 by david555

[RayC]

4 hours ago, david555 said:

That has bin brought up as a question in HOC. today by ex PM  May .....

So international law signatures from U.K. could not be trusted by future ones.....

 

U.K legal specialists see this could end in th E.C.J. and U.K. risk to become hefty fined and possible  embargo on some trade ...

 It is still possible that this piece of legislation will not pass. May and other senior Tories have spoken against it. Hopefully, they will vote with their conscience and oppose it.

[RayC]

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

Does the Queen also have to sign it off? 

Yes, but she would not refuse to do so as it would cause a constitutional crisis in the UK.

 

[superal]

12 hours ago, RayC said:

I'm a Brit and have no desire to see the UK fail. However, I also want my government and not renege on agreementto behave in an honourable manners.

and at any cost / turn the other cheek ?      Most true Brits have had enough of the EC bureaucrats  and finally the worm has turned ? 

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

Yes, but she would not refuse to do so as it would cause a constitutional crisis in the UK.

 

An unelected head of state making her country break international law. Welcome to the UKSSR. 

[Loiner]

More sanctimonious clap trap about the UK's credibility and international law, all from the slowly understanding Euros and well defeated Remainers. It's happening and we will not be stopped, the UK will be free of the EU without its' tentacles.
There's not a word about the nuts and bolts of some supposed law breaking, only wails of the bitter losers. No mention of the EU's bad faith and trickery either. What is this new issue all about and why has it arisen?

[david555]

7 hours ago, RayC said:

Yes, but she would not refuse to do so as it would cause a constitutional crisis in the UK.

 

More even than a goverment admitting breaking a signed international law ...??

 

Is there even a limit of possible ????consistutional crisisses in U.K. ? 

[david555]

21 hours ago, vogie said:

Too many Brits on here want their country of birth to fail in these 'negotiations' I wonder why.????

So those  Brits seem to have a consious and pride ... 

 

[david555]

So we know James Bond 007 has a licence to kill

Now Boris johnson want to have license to break international law... # 008 maybe ...? ????

 

Prince Charles ......beware of your inheritance .....

Boris is coming ...????

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 9, 2020 by david555

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, david555 said:

So those  Brits seem to have a consious and pride ... 

 

No, they have lost the democratic vote that the whole of the UK voted in and as such would like the UK to do badly in these negotiations, their pride is in Brussels and not within the UK, how sad is that.????

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, david555 said:

So we know James Bond 007 has a licence to kill

Now Boris johnson want to have license to break international law... # 008 maybe ...? ????

 

Prince Charles ......beware of your heritage .....

Boris is comming ...????

 

 

 

 

 

The EU has already broken international law by not negotiating in good faith.

 

ARTICLE 184
Negotiations on the future relationship
The Union and the United Kingdom shall use their best endeavours, in good faith and in full respect 
of their respective legal orders, to take the necessary steps to negotiate expeditiously the agreements 
governing their future relationship referred to in the Political Declaration of 17 October 2019 and to 
conduct the relevant procedures for the ratification or conclusion of those agreements, with a view 
to ensuring that those agreements apply, to the extent possible, as from the end of the transition period.

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

The EU has already broken international law by not negotiating in good faith.

 

ARTICLE 184
Negotiations on the future relationship
The Union and the United Kingdom shall use their best endeavours, in good faith and in full respect 
of their respective legal orders, to take the necessary steps to negotiate expeditiously the agreements 
governing their future relationship referred to in the Political Declaration of 17 October 2019 and to 
conduct the relevant procedures for the ratification or conclusion of those agreements, with a view 
to ensuring that those agreements apply, to the extent possible, as from the end of the transition period.

always 2 versions to a fact....but as always, easy to blame the other side """ it's no me, it's them""" 555

[david555]

12 minutes ago, vogie said:

No, they have lost the democratic vote that the whole of the UK voted in and as such would like the UK to do badly in these negotiations, their pride is in Brussels and not within the UK, how sad is that.????

So those who have conscious and pride ... lost the vote ( your "they"..) …… O.K. putted like that I agree …. thanks for admitting that ….????

 

Edited September 9, 2020 by david555

[Sheryl]

A reminder to please stay on topic.