Brexit brinkmanship: EU orders UK to scrap plan for treaty breach, UK refuses

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

Anyone questioning the integrity of Michel Barnier is here secretly being filmed planning to use Ireland as a Brexit pawn. 

 

 

Looks like Toofy Verhofstadt chewing his nails.

[nauseus]

Just now, FritsSikkink said:

No, you signed a peace treaty and want to break it.

Not so.

[luckyluke]

38 minutes ago, vogie said:

I just hope it doesn't affect Lukes pension.

Me too.

If it doesn't, it will show that this E.U. thing has no influence at all on the daily life of the man in the street.

Well at least in Belgium.

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

And no trade deal. Can’t wait for it to happen ???? 
 

 

Me too. 

 

• All our fishing waters back.
• Our government collecting huge amounts of tariffs on EU imports and 100% free to subsidize whatever industries they like with the monies collected. State Aid rules? No thanks Michel.
• 100% control over our borders.
• No contributions to the EU Covid19 bailout fund.
• Free to make trade deals (like the one we did with Japan last week) with whoever we want around the world. No permission required.
• No ECJ jurisdiction.
• No level playing field.
• No more wealth transfer to the basket case southern EU states.
• 100% sovereignty.
• Barnier banished, Macron mortified, Merkel metagrobolized.
• Sterling recovering to 45 to the Baht within months. 50 within a year or two.
• And best of all (Rookiescot will love this), Blue passports to match St Andrews cross ????.

Did we know what we were voting for? Absolutely.

 

[david555]

Just now, vogie said:

Anyone questioning the integrity of Michel Barnier is here secretly being filmed planning to use Ireland as a Brexit pawn. 

 

 

I said it before  you do not have good chess players....????, he is from education a diplomat & became so  minister , not as usual always lawyers become politicians …..

 

Next time learn  better chess playing , see it as so needed, in the Scottish / English negotiations for SC. independence

 

BTW  did MI5 or MI6 made this audio compilation  , as I don't know where the location was ...????

 

Also a long one about Verhofstadt is available , and he was aware of the filming few years back (it was more meant as a warning for U.K. )…… go hunt Vogie for it ….Google is your friend  …..it would learn you something  

[JonnyF]

14 minutes ago, vogie said:

Anyone questioning the integrity of Michel Barnier is here secretly being filmed planning to use Ireland as a Brexit pawn. 

 

 

Exactly. Acting in good faith during negotiations? I'd love to see this played out in the courts.

 

"Your honour, I present exhibit one". 

[david555]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Me too. 

 

• All our fishing waters back.
• Our government collecting huge amounts of tariffs on EU imports and 100% free to subsidize whatever industries they like with the monies collected. State Aid rules? No thanks Michel.
• 100% control over our borders.
• No contributions to the EU Covid19 bailout fund.
• Free to make trade deals (like the one we did with Japan last week) with whoever we want around the world. No permission required.
• No ECJ jurisdiction.
• No level playing field.
• No more wealth transfer to the basket case southern EU states.
• 100% sovereignty.
• Barnier banished, Macron mortified, Merkel metagrobolized.
• Sterling recovering to 45 to the Baht within months. 50 within a year or two.
• And best of all (Rookiescot will love this), Blue passports to match St Andrews cross ????.

Did we know what we were voting for? Absolutely.

 

You could have this a long time ago already !….. just stand up and walk away from the " cherry's table"????  …., but no guts 

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

I said it before  you do not have good chess players....????, he is from education a diplomat & became so  minister , not as usual always lawyers become politicians …..

 

Next time learn  better chess playing , see it as so needed, in the Scottish / English negotiations for SC. independence

 

BTW  did MI5 or MI6 made this audio compilation  , as I don't know where the location was ...????

 

Also a long one about Verhofstadt is available , and he was aware of the filming few years back (it was more meant as a warning for U.K. )…… go hunt Vogie for it ….Google is your friend  …..it would learn you something  

"Good chess players" we would need to be Gene Autry to negotiate with the EUs bunch of cowboys.

I doubt that J Arthur Rank was asked to produce it as it was being filmed secretly, and as for the location, probably The Wolfs Lair.

 

[luckyluke]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

You could have this a long time ago already !….. just stand up and walk away from the " cherry's table"????  …., but no guts 

I don't think it is "no guts".
But some kind of agenda, everyone will found out soon.

The ones who will find this absurd have maybe a better idea about the reason(s) why they don't smash the door.

But except the usual "Haha" emoticon, pretty sure they won't let us know. 

 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

I don't think it is "no guts".
But some kind of agenda, everyone will found out soon.

The ones who will find this absurd have maybe a better idea about the reason(s) why they don't smash the door.

But except the usual "Haha" emoticon, pretty sure they won't let us know. 

 

Slowly slowly catchee monkee.????

[polpott]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

Slowly slowly catchee monkee.????

Slowly slowly wreckee economee.

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Slowly slowly catchee monkee.????

Nice find,

a meaningless substitution of the "Haha" emoticon. 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Slowly slowly wreckee economee.

Slowly slowly mystee megee.

[FritsSikkink]

31 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Not so.

How are you going to solve the Irish border issue then?

[Bluespunk]

Tick tick tick

 

Brexit: NI MPs seek to amend Internal Market Bill https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54140760

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Nice find,

a meaningless substitution of the "Haha" emoticon. 

You'd have to be an ancient British colonialist to understand it. Refers to British solders posted to the colonies who alleviated the boredom by catching monkeys.

[david555]

50 minutes ago, vogie said:

C19 has nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit, but having said that, you have the pleasure of coping with both. Bon chance.????

So.... you think U.K. does not have to cope with the consequences of Brexit ……,???? normally wait for 1 January ….. but as it stands now it could be much quicker .

Anyway mean time you sleep good by thinking this , but oh  gosh …..man , that awakening go hurt …..????

[polpott]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

Slowly slowly mystee megee.

Predictable.

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

You'd have to be an ancient British colonialist to understand it. Refers to British solders posted to the colonies who alleviated the boredom by catching monkeys.

Fair enough.

However it still shows that no one has a concrete reason/opinion why the U.K. don't

smash the negotiation door, despite the Hard Brexiters beg for it.

[polpott]

Just now, luckyluke said:

Fair enough.

However it still shows that no one has a concrete reason/opinion why the U.K. don't

smash the negotiation door, despite the Hard Brexiters beg for it.

Not the British way. We prefer to close the door quietly and creep away without waking anyone.

[Rookiescot]

14 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Me too. 

 

• All our fishing waters back.
• Our government collecting huge amounts of tariffs on EU imports and 100% free to subsidize whatever industries they like with the monies collected. State Aid rules? No thanks Michel.
• 100% control over our borders.
• No contributions to the EU Covid19 bailout fund.
• Free to make trade deals (like the one we did with Japan last week) with whoever we want around the world. No permission required.
• No ECJ jurisdiction.
• No level playing field.
• No more wealth transfer to the basket case southern EU states.
• 100% sovereignty.
• Barnier banished, Macron mortified, Merkel metagrobolized.
• Sterling recovering to 45 to the Baht within months. 50 within a year or two.
• And best of all (Rookiescot will love this), Blue passports to match St Andrews cross ????.

Did we know what we were voting for? Absolutely.

 

OK fishing waters back but not the quotas. English fishermen have sold over half of their fishing quotas to foreign boats. Or is this another agreement that you will be happy to renege on?

 

Who pays the tariffs? Oh yeah that will be the consumers. You voted to make stuff you buy more expensive. 

 

100% control of our borders? Only if you dont sign a trade deal with India and probably China.

 

No we are utterly alone when it comes to funding the damage from corona. UK national debt now stands at over 2 trillion pounds.

 

Free to make trade deals. Yes that is correct. But when it comes to a trade deal with or largest partner, the EU, you wont be getting one. Nor does it seem you want one. Prepared to sell off the NHS for a trade deal with the USA? Is that an acceptable price to pay? Or what about allowing Indians easier access to our borders if we want a deal with them? Goodness knows what China will demand. 

 

No ECJ jurisdiction. OK thats true. Now tell me which rulings by the ECJ do you personally have a problem with?

 

No level playing field? What does that even mean? You want the UK to become some kind of 3rd world country so we are more competitive? Really? Well I suppose we are heading that way with a tinpot dictator who ignores international treaties whenever the mood takes him. Will he be declaring himself Lord Protector and disbanding the Royal familly?

 

No more wealth transfer to basket case countries? We are going to be a basket case country. Us. And no-one is going to help us.

 

100% sovereignty? Again what does that even mean? You understand you have to pay to be a member of the WTO and they set the rules? 100% sovereignty. Absolute nonsense.

 

Barnier banished..... yeah I bet they will be devastated. They were so looking forward to their holiday in Clacton as well. Shame really.

 

Sterling recovering? In your dreams. Its only ticking up today because there is a possibility Johnsons isolationist bill might get defeated.

 

Blue passports. Or were they black? Nobody seems to be able to remember. Which shows what a big deal it really was. Tell me something. Which EU law dictated what the colour of passports should be? I will give you a clue. There was none. You could have had your passport any colour you wanted it to be while STILL in the EU. Oh and tell me where these new passports are being printed? You're gonna love this.

Poland. 

 

    

[7by7]

33 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Free to make trade deals (like the one we did with Japan last week) with whoever we want around the world. No permission required.

 

That Japanese deal was negotiated and agreed before Johnson announced he intends to break his own agreement with the EU: although the formal signing came after.

 

But it is only an agreement in principle; it still has to be approved by the Japanese parliament.

 

As Johnson is showing that he is willing to renege on his own withdrawal agreement with the EU, I wonder how trustworthy the Japanese parliament will find him!

 

The same for other countries; how can they trust a government who hail a deal as a triumph one minute, but then breaks it when it suits them?

 

I bet those few countries who already have firm deals in place are wondering when the UK will decide to unilaterally drop them.

[JonnyF]

38 minutes ago, david555 said:

You could have this a long time ago already !….. just stand up and walk away from the " cherry's table"????  …., but no guts 

Too many traitorous Remainers trying to sell us down the EU river unfortunately. Remember the 2019 Parliament? Fortunately Corbyn was deluded enough to think he could win a General Election so they're mostly gone now. Hence the change in approach.

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

Not the British way. We prefer to close the door quietly and creep away without waking anyone.

Again fair enough,

now if you could give us your opinion/reason why they haven't done it yet. 

 

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Too many traitorous Remainers trying to sell us down the EU river unfortunately. Remember the 2019 Parliament? Fortunately Corbyn was deluded enough to think he could win a General Election so they're mostly gone now. Hence the change in approach.

A few ho poloi parliamentarians and their backers who have been pushing for a hard Brexit from the outset so they can make a killing on the futures market are what I call traitors. And you have been royally mugged by them. Who's the traitor?

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

As Johnson is showing that he is willing to renege on his own withdrawal agreement with the EU, I wonder how trustworthy the Japanese parliament will find him!

 

Unlike the EU. Who break their own laws as soon as it suits them. Or the EU member states that break EU treaties.

 

Nobody cares about Johnson clarifying a contradiction in the WA that could have compromised the GFA.

 

Japan has FTA's with the likes of Thailand (military D), Philippines (Duterte extra judicial killings), Malaysia (rampant corruption). They're not going to throw away billions in trade because Johnson is clarifying a minor point in an EU treaty. Especially during the current C19 crisis. Governments love to appear virtuous but ultimately it's all about money, much like some TV posters whose only real problem with Brexit is the fall in FX with the Baht.

[polpott]

3 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Again fair enough,

now if you could give us your opinion/reason why they haven't done it yet. 

 

Because they don't want to make it too obvious to their supporters that a hard Brexit is what they've wanted all along. They're trying to make the no deal Brexit all the EU's fault. Not hard with the simple souls that support them.

[nauseus]

50 minutes ago, david555 said:

I said it before  you do not have good chess players....????, he is from education a diplomat & became so  minister , not as usual always lawyers become politicians …..

 

Next time learn  better chess playing , see it as so needed, in the Scottish / English negotiations for SC. independence

 

BTW  did MI5 or MI6 made this audio compilation  , as I don't know where the location was ...????

 

Also a long one about Verhofstadt is available , and he was aware of the filming few years back (it was more meant as a warning for U.K. )…… go hunt Vogie for it ….Google is your friend  …..it would learn you something  

I suppose by chess players you mean underhanded scoundrels - well now it seems things have evened up a bit!  ????

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, polpott said:

A few ho poloi parliamentarians and their backers who have been pushing for a hard Brexit from the outset so they can make a killing on the futures market are what I call traitors. And you have been royally mugged by them. Who's the traitor?

Yes, because the only way Rees Mogg could pay the rent was to bet against Britain and then destroy it ????.

 

Time for a new tin foil hat I think. 

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Because they don't want to make it too obvious to their supporters that a hard Brexit is what they've wanted all along. They're trying to make the no deal Brexit all the EU's fault. Not hard with the simple souls that support them.

Thanks for this post.

You are the second one who comes with an opinion.