FBI's Wray: Russia using 'drumbeat of misinformation' to undermine Biden campaign

[johnnybangkok]

49 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Our recollections differ vastly. The way I remember it is Bob "15 wiped smartphones" Mueller found no collusion and no obstruction, and the Russia, Russia, Russia narrative died a sudden death never to be spoken of again. Did you have some other evidence to share with us? I guess after the millions and millions spent and 3 years wasted, including causing the distraction when corona started, we would have had some evidence if it existed. The closest evidence for the collusion I heard in the trial was when they dragged out Pamela Karlan to abuse Trumps child and testify she would cross the road to walk past Trump Tower oh boohoo. If they had stronger - or any - evidence that Trump colluded with Russia they would probably have used it during the impeachment trial, right?

  

I think Morch and Sujo have done a good enough job in explaining this to you but it does tell us everything we need to know about you that they had to explain this to you in the first place. I mean, what kind of foxhole (pun intended) are you living in to not know that Russia interferance in the 2016 election is absolute, proven and verifiable? The fact ol' teflon Don got away with it (and again the Mueller investigation did not say he was innocent) has nothing to do with the fact it definately happened. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/senate-panel-confirms-russian-interference-2016-election-200421162844869.html

 

This willful ignorance of facts really is something to behold and is obviously why you are a Trump fan in the first place but come on, add a little credibility to your cause by at least acknowledging what is common knowledge to literally billions of people.   

 

Edited September 18, 2020 by johnnybangkok

[shdmn]

19 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

I think Morch and Sujo have done a good enough job in explaining this to you but it does tell us everything we need to know about you that they had to explain this to you in the first place. I mean, what kind of foxhole (pun intended) are you living in to not know that Russia interferance in the 2016 election is absolute, proven and verifiable? The fact ol' teflon Don got away with it (and again the Mueller investigation did not say he was innocent) has nothing to do with the fact it definately happened. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/senate-panel-confirms-russian-interference-2016-election-200421162844869.html

 

This willful ignorance of facts really is something to behold and is obviously why you are a Trump fan in the first place but come on, add a little credibility to your cause by at least acknowledging what is common knowledge to literally billions of people.   

 

It's an anti-intellectual movement which is the most these people could ever hope to achieve in their pathetic lives.  They celebrate wallowing in their own ignorance.

Edited September 18, 2020 by shdmn

[johnnybangkok]

Just now, shdmn said:

It's an anti-intellectual movement because sadly, this is the most these people could ever hope to achieve in their pathetic lives.  They celebrate wallowing in their ignorance.

'“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”

 

Isaac Asimov - American writer

[Boon Mee]

6 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

The "drumbeat" of misinformation is coming from Wray himself...he did not site even one example of the info to help Trump get reelected. 

 

Wray has stonewalled the investigations into FBI wrong doing against the Trump campaign and then as President...

 

One more swamp rat that needs to be eradicate...

 Wray's life expectancy as director of the FBI is going to be short-lived once Trump is reelected. 

[Baerboxer]

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

Good to see you have friends, very important friends even who know the Russian foreign policy better than US intelligence.

 

Based on the performance of the politicized US intelligence world, my cat probably understands Russian FP better!

[Geoffggi]

You have to admire them, only our friends the Americans can be one of the instigators in such a situation, {Some people really are their own worst enemy} If only some government workers would work as hard at working for the country as opposed to working against the incumbent government (No matter who they are) the population as a whole benefit & progress in leaps and bounds .....!!!!!

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, Tug said:

Not panic just fact trump has actively solicited foreign interference he and his cronies are actively trying to skrew up the post office he himself is spouting the russan line of disinformation ect ect he is what he is we need to put him behind us 

 

Can you please provide references to the proven fact that Trump has actively solicited foreign interference please?

 

Thanks

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Based on the performance of the politicized US intelligence world, my cat probably understands Russian FP better!

 

Do tell. What performance are you alluding to?

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Can you please provide references to the proven fact that Trump has actively solicited foreign interference please?

 

Thanks

 

Trump’s Call for Russian Hacking Makes Even Less Sense After Mueller

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/reviewing-trumps-call-russian-hacking-after-mueller/585838/

[goldenbrwn1]

I’m pretty sure Biden and Harris really don’t need any misinformation from the likes of Russia to lose this election. The Dems are a joke . So bad that they can’t even win an election against Trump. Always blaming some other entity for their failures. The country is literally burning down and there’s only one man that seems to want to do anything about it . And he’s off his trolley! The Dems however are so woke it’s embarrassing. Trump is by far the best choice of the two and that’s saying something!

[Phoenix Rising]

21 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Can you please provide references to the proven fact that Trump has actively solicited foreign interference please?

 

Thanks

Seriously???

[Berkshire]

4 minutes ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

I’m pretty sure Biden and Harris really don’t need any misinformation from the likes of Russia to lose this election. The Dems are a joke . So bad that they can’t even win an election against Trump. Always blaming some other entity for their failures. The country is literally burning down and there’s only one man that seems to want to do anything about it . And he’s off his trolley! The Dems however are so woke it’s embarrassing. Trump is by far the best choice of the two and that’s saying something!

Yes, Trump's America is literally burning down.  The country's a wreck because of this moron.  The sooner we get Trump out, the better it will be for everybody. 

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

Either "dirty secrets" or the fact that Putin wants to keep dumb-ass trump in the WH, because it is easy to manipulate an idiot.

Both. Putin clearly has the goods on trump, and as an added bonus the guy's a complete idiot with not one iota of integrity or honour.

[Sujo]

32 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

 Wray's life expectancy as director of the FBI is going to be short-lived once Trump is reelected. 

you do realise that trump appointed him. Only the best. So i suggest you direct your ire at trump.

 

Why would trump wait until after the election. Nothing stopping him now.

[candide]

26 minutes ago, Geoffggi said:

You have to admire them, only our friends the Americans can be one of the instigators in such a situation, {Some people really are their own worst enemy} If only some government workers would work as hard at working for the country as opposed to working against the incumbent government (No matter who they are) the population as a whole benefit & progress in leaps and bounds .....!!!!!

So, for an intelligence organisation, dealing with intelligence issues is not "working for the country"?  Lol!

[Sujo]

12 minutes ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

I’m pretty sure Biden and Harris really don’t need any misinformation from the likes of Russia to lose this election. The Dems are a joke . So bad that they can’t even win an election against Trump. Always blaming some other entity for their failures. The country is literally burning down and there’s only one man that seems to want to do anything about it . And he’s off his trolley! The Dems however are so woke it’s embarrassing. Trump is by far the best choice of the two and that’s saying something!

The republican led senate enquiry also blames another entity, russia.

 

If trump wants to do anything about the country burning he can, but he wont, why is that.

 

Your complaints are all happening on trumps watch, not the dems watch. Talk about blaming others.

[candide]

7 hours ago, riclag said:

"The greatest long-term threat to our nation’s information and intellectual property, and to our economic vitality, is the counterintelligence and economic espionage threat from China. It’s a threat to our economic security—and by extension, to our national security".

https://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/the-threat-posed-by-the-chinese-government-and-the-chinese-communist-party-to-the-economic-and-national-security-of-the-united-states

Thanks for confirming that what Wray said about China was true. So I guess what he said about Russia must be true, too?

[johnnybangkok]

49 minutes ago, Geoffggi said:

You have to admire them, only our friends the Americans can be one of the instigators in such a situation, {Some people really are their own worst enemy} If only some government workers would work as hard at working for the country as opposed to working against the incumbent government (No matter who they are) the population as a whole benefit & progress in leaps and bounds .....!!!!!

Many would argue that investigating electorial interference from a foreign country IS working for your country. 

And perhaps there wouldn't be a need for this in the first place if the incumbert government would get behind their own intelligence services and assist (rather than obstruct) their investigations.  

[owl sees all]

The Don seems to be doing OK. Just ask Big pharma, bankers and weapon manufacturers.

 

Many people don't like him, but at the same time many don't like Biden. Give him four more years to prove himself. The Dems are unelectable IMO.

 

History will judge him kindly; compared to other POTUSs that is.

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

The Don seems to be doing OK. Just ask Big pharma, bankers and weapon manufacturers.

 

Many people don't like him, but at the same time many don't like Biden. Give him four more years to prove himself. The Dems are unelectable IMO.

 

History will judge him kindly; compared to other POTUSs that is.

 

No.

[Lacessit]

7 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Russian friends tell you? American friends tell me Trump is a lying narcissist that hides his taxes. They also say Trump has sided with Putin in front of the whole world against American intelligence agencies when it comes to election tampering...my American friends say it was painful. They tell me they want Donald Trump out of office because he has the integrity of a raccoon. 

You are insulting raccoons. They are tidy and intelligent. Any jurisdiction that eradicates them is rapidly overrun by snakes. Maybe a few raccoons would not go astray in Washington.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

 Wray's life expectancy as director of the FBI is going to be short-lived once Trump is reelected. 

He'll have a job for life if Trump isn't, investigating all the sleaze and graft Trump has made his own.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

I think Morch and Sujo have done a good enough job in explaining this to you but it does tell us everything we need to know about you that they had to explain this to you in the first place. I mean, what kind of foxhole (pun intended) are you living in to not know that Russia interferance in the 2016 election is absolute, proven and verifiable? The fact ol' teflon Don got away with it (and again the Mueller investigation did not say he was innocent) has nothing to do with the fact it definately happened. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/senate-panel-confirms-russian-interference-2016-election-200421162844869.html

 

This willful ignorance of facts really is something to behold and is obviously why you are a Trump fan in the first place but come on, add a little credibility to your cause by at least acknowledging what is common knowledge to literally billions of people.   

 

The senate panel was a bi-partisan GOP chaired panel by the way...

 

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr, a Republican from North Carolina, said in a statement that his panel "found no reason to dispute" the intelligence community's conclusions, saying they reflected strong tradecraft and analytical reasoning."

 

Let me guess TDS...a herd of no good ungrateful renegade RINOs??? Maybe a bunch of Never Trumpers that need a good dose of Fox Opinion to rehab their attitudes and possibly a refresh\renew of their allegiance and obedience to Dear President? 

[ThaiFelix]

8 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Russian friends tell you? American friends tell me Trump is a lying narcissist that hides his taxes. They also say Trump has sided with Putin in front of the whole world against American intelligence agencies when it comes to election tampering...my American friends say it was painful. They tell me they want Donald Trump out of office because he has the integrity of a raccoon. 

Thats funny, my "special" friends tell me the same thing but with a lot more expletives.

 

[goldenbrwn1]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

The republican led senate enquiry also blames another entity, russia.

 

If trump wants to do anything about the country burning he can, but he wont, why is that.

 

Your complaints are all happening on trumps watch, not the dems watch. Talk about blaming others.

Well maybe look back on this after the election and explain why ‘you’ think the mad man Trump is in for another term. Biden and Harris FCS. What the hell were the Dems thinking! 

[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

I’m pretty sure Biden and Harris really don’t need any misinformation from the likes of Russia to lose this election. The Dems are a joke . So bad that they can’t even win an election against Trump. Always blaming some other entity for their failures. The country is literally burning down and there’s only one man that seems to want to do anything about it . And he’s off his trolley! The Dems however are so woke it’s embarrassing. Trump is by far the best choice of the two and that’s saying something!

I really don't understand this line of argument but I see it all the time from Trump fans (not saying you are one of course); 'Always blaming some other entity for their failures' - That's literally what Trump does on a daily basis. 'The country is literally burning down and there’s only one man that seems to want to do anything about it." Again Trump is the POTUS so therefore it's his job to do something about it (not to mention him stoking the flames with glee), so how come Biden and Harris get the blame? It's the equivalent of Coca Cola tampering with Cokes formula, trashing the company and then blaming Pepsi.

Or am I missing something? Is this how Fox and Breitbart or OANN are explaining Trumps tragedies to the faithful these days? I know he and his marketing department are trying to pin all his troubles on Dem cities but is all of Trumps failures now Bidens/Harris's fault?

 

 

[connda]

It will be interesting to see what kind of an America emerges from the smoke and fires in the weeks following November 3rd.
Almost seventy years on this planet and I can say I've never seen anything like this partisan and highly charged sectarian debacle that has arisen in the US in the last 10 years that calls itself a "functional government." 

Note to self.  Add to shopping list for November:
Popcorn
Beer

This is going to be entertaining to say the least.

[shdmn]

 

7 hours ago, Sujo said:

you do realise that trump appointed him. Only the best. So i suggest you direct your ire at trump.

 

Why would trump wait until after the election. Nothing stopping him now.

Haven't you heard?  President Biden Hillary Hussein is ruining the country.  It's all his fault.  Time to take it back! ????

 

"I don't take responsibility at all"

 --POTUS 45

 

Edited September 18, 2020 by shdmn

[Opl]

8 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Yes, Trump's America is literally burning down.  The country's a wreck because of this moron.  The sooner we get Trump out, the better it will be for everybody. 

statement also shared by the Chinese.. 

"some Chinese officials involved in trade negotiations with the Trump administration support a Biden victory simply so they can spend more time with their families, according to one person familiar with their thinking. China's trade team shows up to work looking exhausted,"

lol

https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/years-china-trump-elected-2020-polls-200616035610577.html

Edited September 18, 2020 by Opl

[riclag]

11 hours ago, heybruce said:

Did you not notice that this topic is about Russian interference in the upcoming election?

 

I'm sure if you really need to go on a China rant you can find a more appropriate topic to use.

Oh ya!  You seem confused! Sad! You need to go back and read the story ,by reuters! Nice try! 

 

"Wray's testimony follows an Aug. 7 warning by the director of the National Counterintelligence and Security Center that Russia, China and Iran were all trying to interfere in the Nov. 3 election".

Edited September 18, 2020 by riclag