Popular Post webfact Posted September 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2020 Panel chief calls for reforms to Thai justice system, pointing to serious flaws in prosecuting Vorayuth By The Nation The mishandling of the hit-and-run case involving Vorayuth “Boss” Yoovidhya shows that Thailand’s legal system is in need of reform, says Vicha Mahakun, chairman of the panel investigating alleged official misconduct in the case. Vicha said that the reason he accepted the responsibility even though he was 74 years old was to initiate reforms in the legal system. He said his 30 years of experience as a prosecutor and judge made him the right choice for the job, and helped him to look into the liars and see the whole picture. He explained that the case was called "a conspiracy", as there were processes that had led to charges against the accused being dropped, which were clearly corruption. “Why was the case that should have been closed within a year delayed for eight years? There's a legal proverb ‘justice delayed is justice denied’. An attempt to delay it gives a clue,” Vicha said. The 14 appeals from Boss, which succeeded in the latest submission, was the weakest point of the case. However, the Supreme Court has set a standard to point out that the earliest evidence is the most reliable and in this case, Boss drove the car at 177 kilometres per hour before it was changed. “It was the lawyers [who planned it] because the police don’t have that strong a knowledge of the laws. The direction of the case was also important, as Boss was charged with negligent driving as well, which was very strange since the dead could not do anything against it.” Therefore, it was a case of breach of duty, which violated Section 517 of the penal code, and forcing witnesses to fudge the facts, which violated Section 172 of the Anti-Corruption Act, he said. The French legal system in which the judge investigates the truth was adopted in this case. The Thai legal system has more in common with the British system, allowing charges to be dropped if there were too many suspicions which were not fair to the case. Vicha also blamed the police for not reforming themselves a long time ago since it was an institution with authority. He gave Hong Kong as an example, which purged corrupt police and insisted that police should not be allowed to continue their outdated tradition. However, he was certain that the Thai legal system was the “strongest”, but the people who applied it were the problem since Thailand has nurtured nepotism for years and it had resulted in a social gap in both the economy and justice. “When 12 - and 13-year-olds march on the streets raising three-finger salutes, and adorn themselves with white ribbons all over Thailand, it shows how corrupt people with power are,” Vicha said. He said the movement was very important since the change had to stem from the youth who were the key to a better future. Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30395199 -- © Copyright The Nation Thailand 2020-09-28 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 5 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bluesofa Posted September 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, webfact said: Panel chief calls for reforms to Thai justice system, pointing to serious flaws in prosecuting Vorayuth As Vorayuth already knows, the Thai justice system is the best in the world that money can buy. 5 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mountain Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 "He said his 30 years of experience as a prosecutor and judge made him the right choice for the job, and helped him to look into the liars and see the whole picture." Seeing the whole picture => yes, right choice for the job => NO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thaiwrath Posted September 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2020 2 hours ago, webfact said: Panel chief calls for reforms to Thai justice system, The main aim should be to eradicate corruption everywhere, especially the justice system. If I remember correctly, that was one of the main aims of the military party, run by Prayut, after he overthrew the elected government, illegally, 6 years ago. This is proof that it was total BS, as are most things these people say. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark131v Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, webfact said: “When 12 - and 13-year-olds march on the streets raising three-finger salutes, and adorn themselves with white ribbons all over Thailand, it shows how corrupt people with power are,” Vicha said. This guy is in position of responsibility, I wonder what he thinks about people potentially getting jailed for 2 years because they post a negative review on a website Wonder if anybody with even a minimal degree of intelligence believes this will make Thailand's tourist industry more appealing to the foreign market Seriously have to question some facets of Thai society... Edited September 27, 2020 by mark131v 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post colinneil Posted September 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2020 4 hours ago, webfact said: The mishandling of the hit-and-run case involving Vorayuth “Boss” Yoovidhya shows that Thailand’s legal system is in need of reform, says Vicha Mahakun, That is the under statement of the year.???? Surely he is not serious, the justice system here is the best money can buy. You got money, you can get what ever justice you want, no money, you go jail. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark131v Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, webfact said: However, he was certain that the Thai legal system was the “strongest”, but the people who applied it were the problem since Thailand has nurtured nepotism for years and it had resulted in a social gap in both the economy and justice. Anybody who says the the words 'thai legal system' and 'strongest' in the same sentence is <deleted>in deluded, 'nepotism' however fits right in... Edited September 27, 2020 by mark131v 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rkidlad Posted September 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2020 4 hours ago, webfact said: He said his 30 years of experience as a prosecutor and judge made him the right choice for the job I wouldn’t be so proud of your experience. That’s just a lot of time of you being complicit in a corrupt system. The Red Bull rat case doesn’t show that there are holes in the system. Anyone with one good eye and one good ear could have told you that. The Red Bull case is just a case of its time. All over social media and impossible to ignore. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Geoffggi Posted September 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2020 4 hours ago, webfact said: Panel chief calls for reforms to Thai justice system, pointing to serious flaws in prosecuting Vorayuth This is common knowledge, the real reason is he was too rich to prosecute and is protected by the ultra rich people who don't want things to change ............!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark131v Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 4 hours ago, webfact said: Vicha said that the reason he accepted the responsibility even though he was 74 years old was to initiate reforms in the legal system My mum used to say if you've nothing nice to say then say nothing at all, my opinion is that's <deleted>... I was never good with <deleted> advice so I feel it's my duty to point out this guy has enjoyed a whole lifetime of watching/enjoying corruption and personally I feel it's highly unlikely he will change Reforms? I hope so but doubt it, more of the same hypocrisy, lying, corruption and same old <deleted> different day, on past experience that is guaranteed.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post holy cow cm Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 hours ago, webfact said: He said his 30 years of experience as a prosecutor and judge made him the right choice for the job, and helped him to look into the liars and see the whole picture. Ummm, wouldn't you think these are the kind of people you want out of the Justice system? I would more tend to go to a Human rights lawyer rather than someone who was part of the system before. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Antonymous Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 Contrary to all the previous posters, it seems, I see this statement as a giant step in the right direction. Yes of course privately Thai people are aware of the corruption and injustice that is part of Thai society, but having it proclaimed very publicly by the chairman of the panel investigating a case that is being followed internationally as well as within Thailand, is an important step and gives hope for the future. The next step is for other prominent figures within government and Thai society to publicly endorse the findings and then we may see change follow. And he is so right in pointing out: 5 hours ago, webfact said: He said the movement was very important since the change had to stem from the youth who were the key to a better future 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo2014 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Why does that man have the look of a used car salesman closing a deal? ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicalevo Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 hours ago, mark131v said: This guy is in position of responsibility, I wonder what he thinks about people potentially getting jailed for 2 years because they post a negative review on a website I would not use that example. It is not because 'they post a negative review on a website'. It is because the guy wrote multiple reviews on multiple sites, many of which were lies. All because the hotel wanted to charge him corkage for bringing his own booze into the dining room. Look at Richard Barrow's web site for details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 7 hours ago, webfact said: However, he was certain that the Thai legal system was the “strongest”, but the people who applied it were the problem since Thailand has nurtured nepotism for years and it had resulted in a social gap in both the economy and justice. The people who applied it are the people with the power, that takes a huge change. I hope the students keep marching because evidence of a stand against change took place in the senate last week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Rodriguez Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 money & high placed elite connections make you above the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seajae Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 the thai justice sytem works great of you have money or are well connected, its the ones that have neither that are screwed by it. The wealthy & well connected love the justice system because they know they will always be able to get away with what they have done whether it is killing people or stealing from them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunKenAP Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Still waiting for the report with names to be realized and published. That was promised by Prayut before he even got the report, now over a month ago. Does it take that long to use a black marker to erase the HiSo names?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foghorn Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Easy solution,death sentence for coruption and quickly implemented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli42 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 This really is quite funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newatthis Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 10 hours ago, webfact said: However, the Supreme Court has set a standard to point out that the earliest evidence is the most reliable Nobody applied that standard in Koh Tao. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newatthis Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, KhunKenAP said: Still waiting for the report with names to be realized and published. That'll be the test of the sincerity of this man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Antonymous said: Contrary to all the previous posters, it seems, I see this statement as a giant step in the right direction. Yes of course privately Thai people are aware of the corruption and injustice that is part of Thai society, but having it proclaimed very publicly by the chairman of the panel investigating a case that is being followed internationally as well as within Thailand, is an important step and gives hope for the future. The next step is for other prominent figures within government and Thai society to publicly endorse the findings and then we may see change follow. And he is so right in pointing out: He is stating the bleeding obvious, however the difference is he was appointed to this position therefore giving his comments some validity. To those affected in a negative way, they will of course poo-hoo these comments as a load of rubbish, sour-grapes etc., but bear in mind these comments have been made from a point of authority and could in the future be the catalyst for reform, although not in the coming weeks as money and position is still the top priority - but the up-coming generation are a lot smarter than their forefathers and won't tolerate being serfs to the elite for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hayduke Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, webfact said: Panel chief calls for reforms to Thai justice system, pointing to serious flaws in prosecuting Vorayuth Flaws? They don't seem to have any difficulty....prosecuting and imprisoning poor people and political enemies. Edited September 28, 2020 by Hayduke 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Saucage Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, webfact said: He said his 30 years of experience as a prosecutor and judge made him the right choice for the job, and helped him to look into the liars and see the whole picture. 6 hours ago, rkidlad said: I wouldn’t be so proud of your experience. That’s just a lot of time of you being complicit in a corrupt system. Exactly my thoughs rkidlad! He was part of the currupt and biased system for his half life. Very difficult to have trust in such a man. Hard to imagine in how many biased and unfair sentences he might have been involved in these 30 years of work in this legal system. However, on the other side, these are also quite strong words from him pointing in the right direction: 10 hours ago, webfact said: Vicha also blamed the police for not reforming themselves a long time ago since it was an institution with authority. He gave Hong Kong as an example, which purged corrupt police and insisted that police should not be allowed to continue their outdated tradition. 10 hours ago, webfact said: “When 12 - and 13-year-olds march on the streets raising three-finger salutes, and adorn themselves with white ribbons all over Thailand, it shows how corrupt people with power are,” Vicha said. He said the movement was very important since the change had to stem from the youth who were the key to a better future. I don't know this man, and I have no idea if one can trust him in what he says today. But I assume that he is not alone in his statements, and that there are some people behind him, backing him in these statements. Others for sure are strongly opposing his statements. I have not the slightest doubt about that. All this might be a sign that there are discussions and fights going on in the elite, and powerful people are struggling how to react to the street protests and to the dwindling acceptance of the current political system in Thailand, which could become dangerous for the elite. As I mentioned many times already: The elite in the country is not unified! I think the idea of his highest bosses now is to accept and to embrace some of the ideas of the opposition in order to appease them. It might be that the most powerful people in the country currently plan to reduce their acceptance of corruption in lower ranks, in order to protect and rescue the existing system as a whole. And, as I also hinted in other posts before, the spoiled Red Bull brat and his family might not be associated so well to the most powerful faction now. For me, the powerful people now try to achieve as much as possible "national unity", and with this to dry out the protests and Move Forward. This case is only one littel piece in the game. Edited September 28, 2020 by Flying Saucage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 He is describing the problem with a wad size hand gesture and 3 fingers at the same time he is a genius ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy 4680 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 years for posting a negative view, 99 years for corruption (if your a Phue Thai member) and I'm sure the list goes on and on. Vicha is certainly on the right track, but when justice becomes Political, its always going to be on a downward slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxcorrigan Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 hours ago, newatthis said: Nobody applied that standard in Koh Tao. Exactly the cop in charge of the first report was quickly removed,and a more corrupt cop installed hence the Burmese two rotting away in jail! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 He’s stating what everyone knows, but nothing will change under this government. Remember the commission on police reform? It just faded away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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