Popular Post worgeordie Posted September 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2020 4 hours ago, webfact said: total cost of more than 11.6 billion baht Buys a lot of metal sheets...that really are a waste of money, 11.6 Billion should be enough to have it done properly..........I know....I know. regards worgeordie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofthemountain Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 5 hours ago, webfact said: Siam Chon news went to Pattaya Klang to investigate the latest developments in the burying of wires at the resort. They reported that the work has resulted in many metal plates being inserted in road surfaces all over Pattaya. Some had shifted in the floods. Others were sealed with some makeshift asphalt. Everywhere was evidence of places being dug up again and again after the work should have been completed. This, they said, has resulted in many accidents for foreign tourists and locals. At the scene of their visit were two incredulous Australians who asked: "Do you think it is a good idea doing it like this?" "Do you think they should have covered it completely (in asphalt)? Picture: Siam Chon news The reporters didn't have an answer to this but posed some of their own about whether such things happened in their country. "No, we don't have because we never do something stupid like that," came back the reply. From my observations on the ground the metal plates are here because the work is not finished yet. Then when the next work start in the same area they don't have to dig in concrete, they just take out the metal plate. It's true it's dangerous, particularly for the scooters and for some reasons the work takes ages to be completed (Can be few weeks or few months) but when they have finished the metal plates are definitively removed and a decent concrete cover is put in place. Just need to be patient and (As usual) you have to be very careful if you drive a scooter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GreasyFingers Posted September 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2020 When you only have one job to do it right 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 what are these cables carrying ?phone or volts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomazbodner Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 This is how they do it in Bangkok as well. They dig the hole, and cover it with metal sheet. They remove the sheet when they do the work, and replace it so road can reopen when they're done for the day. Once it's all done, they remove it and put concrete plate and new asphalt over it. Do the Aussies in Pattaya expect that at the end of work every day they'll put on new asphalt just to dig it up again the next day? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Did anyone ever think they'd do it properly? What you can't see in these photos is how the wiring now underground has been organized, laid, protected, sealed against water, labeled etc. Any guesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 5 hours ago, webfact said: "Do it properly the first time so you don't have to do it again," they continued. 555 that's something not acceptable here and also in many other SEA countries, they don't understand logic, for them if they fix it properly the first time it means no more work for later 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger70 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 5 hours ago, In the jungle said: When I was planning the underground power supply for an irrigation system here in doing my research I looked at how Australia do this stuff. They use the kerb as a reference point and all the utilities are under the pavement as opposed to the road. Dimensions from the kerb are standardised. So power will be x cm from the kerb and y cm down, water will be w cm from the kerb and z cm down and so on. Perfectly logical and it means that while the guys digging something up would normally have a drawing to work from even if they don't they are still pretty sure to dig in the right place. You said Perfectly Logical . That's Back home in Aus. No Western Logic here ,Only Thai Logic ,Thai logic is Different . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) When they were doing work in Soi Khao Noi they used steel plates, eventually when all the work was done they came back and laid fresh concrete. I suspect that Soi will see the same, better to do the steelplates than keep the soi closed for months on end to give them whingers something to really cry about. Edited September 30, 2020 by Don Mega 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the jungle Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 hours ago, StevieAus said: That may be what occurs now in newer areas but hasn’t always been the the case, from what I recall water mains and some other utilities are often under the roads. They forever seemed to be digging up the roads in Sydney one group will finish then another group will arrive and do something else no coordination. I may have got that part wrong and they measure outward from the kerb into the road. I am not an Aussie and I was remembering a paper on the subject from years ago. Whichever way it is it is a good system. Paper covered in detail cable specifications for underground use and when further external protection is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Thailand continues to lower the Bar.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Some off topic posts removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SidJames Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Wait until the local 'entrepreneurs' realise how much those plates will get them in scrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, SidJames said: Wait until the local 'entrepreneurs' realise how much those plates will get them in scrap. 2400 by 1200 by 20 sheet is worth about Bt.3200 in scrap value. That sheet weighs about 450kg so they'd have had a hearty breakfast !! Edited September 30, 2020 by Don Mega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SidJames Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Don Mega said: 2400 by 1200 by 20 sheet is worth about Bt.3200 in scrap value. Might have a dip myself ???? Steptoe & Son Ltd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBF Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, SidJames said: Might have a dip myself ???? Steptoe & Son Ltd Well well - I never saw Sidney Balmoral James in Steptoe & Son. Guest appearance was it? ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 The draining and resurfacing of soi 9 Kao Noi is complete, I think! (Only because they have begun on soi 13?) It took the best part of eight months to re-open the road then there were the inevitable 'corrections'. I estimate eight excavations where the set concrete was dug up and some forgotten pipe(?) was inserted. Not all on the same day of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy one Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 19 hours ago, Mavrix said: NO NO NO...Those Ozzy's are just saying "We come from a land down under" So give me a Vegemite sandwich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy one Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 At the end of the day I am sure this underground wiring will be of the same professional standard as the current wiring on the poles. ???? Its very hard to put the words professional and Thai worker in the same sentence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essox essox Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 23 hours ago, In the jungle said: When I was planning the underground power supply for an irrigation system here in doing my research I looked at how Australia do this stuff. They use the kerb as a reference point and all the utilities are under the pavement as opposed to the road. Dimensions from the kerb are standardised. So power will be x cm from the kerb and y cm down, water will be w cm from the kerb and z cm down and so on. Perfectly logical and it means that while the guys digging something up would normally have a drawing to work from even if they don't they are still pretty sure to dig in the right place. they only KNOW drawings of thai food !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essox essox Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 18 hours ago, worgeordie said: Buys a lot of metal sheets...that really are a waste of money, 11.6 Billion should be enough to have it done properly..........I know....I know. regards worgeordie but WHERE ARE YOU ????!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 On 9/30/2020 at 6:47 PM, In the jungle said: When I was planning the underground power supply for an irrigation system here in doing my research I looked at how Australia do this stuff. They use the kerb as a reference point and all the utilities are under the pavement as opposed to the road. Dimensions from the kerb are standardised. So power will be x cm from the kerb and y cm down, water will be w cm from the kerb and z cm down and so on. Perfectly logical and it means that while the guys digging something up would normally have a drawing to work from even if they don't they are still pretty sure to dig in the right place. Bit hard to put them under the pavement on roads that have no pavements. Many of the sois have no pavements. Buakhao has pavements but encroached by the restaurants and bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tingtong Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 11.6 billion? Wonder how much the patchy works cost vs money goes to pockets? Judging from the quality of work done, 50-50 seems conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerryd Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 7 hours ago, mikebell said: The draining and resurfacing of soi 9 Kao Noi is complete, I think! (Only because they have begun on soi 13?) It took the best part of eight months to re-open the road then there were the inevitable 'corrections'. I estimate eight excavations where the set concrete was dug up and some forgotten pipe(?) was inserted. Not all on the same day of course. I remember riding past and seeing them working on the section from Khoi Noi to the crest of the rise on Soi 9. Few weeks later, it's done. Less than 4 weeks after the new roadway was laid, I had to dodge 3 separate spots where people had put out traffic cones and started chewing up the new surface. To do something they should have down before the new surface was laid. (There wasn't any new construction in those 3 spots. I can't imagine why they would see the work being done right in front of them, then wait for a couple weeks after it was finished to go tear it up.) Is that something they teach in the schools here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofthemountain Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Bit hard to put them under the pavement on roads that have no pavements. Many of the sois have no pavements. Buakhao has pavements but encroached by the restaurants and bars. Buakkhao has NO pavement the few parts with concrete are not restaurants and bars encroachment there are the part of the sideroad covered with concrete by the bars and restaurants. You can clearly see in the parts where there are no business there is no pavement at all. It's the same in most of the soi in this area (Soi Diana, Soi lk metro, soi lengkee, soi chayapoon and so on) where the road is shared by the foodcards, the walkers (Drunk or not) the scooter, the cars, the taxis and few others users in an incredible chaos and honestly i am still surprised there aren't more accidents because of the lack of sidewalk Edited October 1, 2020 by kingofthemountain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Off topic removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 buried cables need to be resized if they are carrying volts as they run hotter phone and BB should be ok underground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 These two Australian guys are saying. "We are here paying 55 baht a beer, and this is the infrastructure we get?" ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 11:24 PM, kingofthemountain said: Buakkhao has NO pavement the few parts with concrete are not restaurants and bars encroachment there are the part of the sideroad covered with concrete by the bars and restaurants. You can clearly see in the parts where there are no business there is no pavement at all. It's the same in most of the soi in this area (Soi Diana, Soi lk metro, soi lengkee, soi chayapoon and so on) where the road is shared by the foodcards, the walkers (Drunk or not) the scooter, the cars, the taxis and few others users in an incredible chaos and honestly i am still surprised there aren't more accidents because of the lack of sidewalk We'll have to agree to disagree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofthemountain Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: We'll have to agree to disagree. Sorry again but if you bother to watch this video you can clearly see you are wrong from 0 to 5 minutes the video is in south Pattaya road where you can clearly see the sidewalk from 5 minutes to the end the video is in Soi Bukkhao where cyou can clearly see there is no sidewalk (The limit public\private space is delimited by the place of the electrics poles) Edited October 5, 2020 by kingofthemountain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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