EU launches legal case against UK over Internal Market Bill

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We’re getting close now.

 

All you have to do is write your own words into this ‘discussion forum’.

 

If I want to view videos I’ll log into YouTube.

The video wasn't put there just for you.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

The video wasn't put there just for you.

And my posts questioning the use of ripped content wasn’t meant for just you.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And my posts questioning the use of ripped content wasn’t meant for just you.

Did the un-ripped version add to your enjoyment of the video.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Did the un-ripped version add to your enjoyment of the video.

‘Ripped content’ media content copied from other sources and reposted.

 

Both the videos you posted are ‘ripped content’.

 

 

 

[JonnyF]

16 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

We did. 

 

I did. It’s boring. 

I can see why you'd find it very uncomfortable viewing.

[JonnyF]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We’re getting close now.

 

All you have to do is write your own words into this ‘discussion forum’.

 

If I want to view videos I’ll log into YouTube.

Links have always been allowed on TVF. The video was relevant and interesting.

 

The real problem here is that you don't like the content because it doesn't fit with your agenda, but that's your problem, no-one else's.

[Rimmer]

A baiting post and a reply have been removed

[Baerboxer]

What a joke the EU have become.

 

Deliberately interpret parts of the Brexit agreement in a way they want so as to increase their leverage to bully on certain issues. Then baulk at the UK response. Now threaten the UK with their own court. How unbiased will that be! Johnson and his minions not much better in their shananigans.

 

As one poster pointed out Germany, the power in the EU and advocate of "ever closer union" recently didn't respect international law. German courts ruled that German courts and law must have prominence over matters where international law conflicts with German constitution. But of course that's all brushed aside with the usual double standard hypocrisy.

 

One of the biggest issues has been the jurisdiction of the ECJ and some of its very political rulings. So I don't see many British (and maybe plenty of other European citizens) giving it the respect they think they deserve.

 

The EU still looks fragile, especially on immigration. Some countries are simply not going to accept what Germany and France dictate. They can't even get their act together on sanctions against the Belarus totalitarian oppressive regime. So how would "ever closer union" work - France and Germany deciding everything? Someone better have a word with Poland, Hungary, Austria, Cyprus, Greece, etc etc and tell them whose in charge.

 

I voted to remain. I didn't like the way the referendum was conducted, nor the underlying reasons for it. Cameron caused this, and got a nasty surprise. May made it worse and Boris struggles to sort it out. But on the EU side, the behavior of their negotiators and certain politicians has been equally as bad - bombastic, arrogant and entitled. Negotiate in good faith - my <deleted>!

 

[Srikcir]

It might be more realistic and efficient for the EU to simply cancel the treaty in response to UK's unilateral reneging on a supposed legally-binding treaty.

No further talks of any Brexit deal - UK to revert to WTO tariff trade provisions. This is what Boris seems to want in the first and last place. However, ability of UK citizens to travel/live in the EU might be at risk, except for the Good Friday Agreement. 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

No, I wasn’t. 
 

No, the fact that you broke certain parts of the contract doesn’t render the whole contract null and void. You wish. 

 

 

The latter statement would depend on the importance of the specific clauses broken. It would, if it went before a real court, also be looked at what the agreement said about resolving differences in interpretations of clauses and conditions. Mediation, arbitration, etc to see if the parties had followed the resolutions provided in the contract. Acting in good faith is also important.

 

If the parties cannot and will not reach an agreement that allows the contract to be performed then the contract would be deemed frustrated and therefore void. Compensation for either party is a different discussion.

 

But of course, as we know, the ECJ isn't a real court in the sense of reality.

 

That's why Germany chose to put it's laws above them.

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Srikcir said:

It might be more realistic and efficient for the EU to simply cancel the treaty in response to UK's unilateral reneging on a supposed legally-binding treaty.

No further talks of any Brexit deal - UK to revert to WTO tariff trade provisions. This is what Boris seems to want in the first and last place. However, ability of UK citizens to travel/live in the EU might be at risk, except for the Good Friday Agreement. 

 

That would be like shooting yourself in the foot; cutting your nose off to spite your face.

 

Both sides want and need a workable deal. But, as with all complex agreements, contracts and treaties, the devil is always in the detail. 

 

Here, it seems some one wants to use their interpretations of a particular clause to leverage to get their way on other issues whilst the other party wants to reject that leverage and not give way on the other issues.

 

Squabbling. Need some better, common sense grounded, negotiators on both sides. Not politicians worried about how their own electorate will react if they don't like certain outcomes.

[bannork]

3 hours ago, kingdong said:

bit of differance in 25,000 dead Iraqi civilians and a dispute with an organisation  we,re leaving in 3 months.

Fair enough, but your mentioning Tony Blair was a clear 'What about....?' deflection, nothing to do with the topic

I still can't stop laughing at your avator's name. Do you go to the beach wearing leopard skin briefs?

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory post and reply reported and removed. 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

31 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

What a joke the EU have become.

Protecting your rights and going after those who infringe your rights is not a joke. I appreciate that we are taking action against those that are in breach of contract. 

 

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Deliberately interpret parts of the Brexit agreement in a way they want so as to increase their leverage to bully on certain issues.

It’s certainly not an interpretation issue. The UK itself agrees. 

 

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As one poster pointed out Germany, the power in the EU and advocate of "ever closer union" recently didn't respect international law. German courts ruled that German courts and law must have prominence over matters where international law conflicts with German constitution. But of course that's all brushed aside with the usual double standard hypocrisy.

The EU can take action against Germany if it wants. What’s your point? That our family gets better treated than a third country? 
 

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They can't even get their act together on sanctions against the Belarus totalitarian oppressive regime. (...) Someone better have a word with Poland, Hungary, Austria, Cyprus, Greece, etc etc and tell them whose in charge.

 

I agree the EU should be stricter with other gangster countries too, not only the UK, including its own member states. Anyway, letting the likes of Poland and Hungary get away with things shouldn’t mean to let even more countries get away with it. The Uk is a good start. 
 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace

[timbothaivisa]

40 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The EU can take action against Germany if it wants. What’s your point? That our family gets better treated than a third country? 

This attitude sums up the partisan / fanatical character of the debate. People don't even pretend to sound even-handed anymore.

Imagine if the UK Supreme Court demonstrated consistent bias against the interests of your political allegiance, I'm sure we'd be hearing another argument entirely.

The fact is, a court is only as legitimate as the impartiality of its decisions and process. If you're delighted to cheer your corner into public illegitimacy, then you truly have the support of both sides ????

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 minutes ago, timbothaivisa said:

This attitude sums up the partisan / fanatical character of the debate. People don't even pretend to sound even-handed anymore.

Imagine if the UK Supreme Court demonstrated consistent bias against the interests of your political allegiance, I'm sure we'd be hearing another argument entirely.

The fact is, a court is only as legitimate as the impartiality of its decisions and process. If you're delighted to cheer your corner into public illegitimacy, then you truly have the support of both sides ????

Where was I talking about a court? Maybe read and understand what people wrote before replying. 
 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace

[david555]

 (Oho ....what we go have now ?.....???? Nigel in support for E.U. ...?  Election fever already starting....?  ????  )

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/01/brussels-launches-eu-lawsuit-against-uk-brexit-treaty-breaches/

By James Crisp, 
Brussels Correspondent 1 October 2020 • 10:58am 

Brussels launches EU lawsuit against UK over Brexit treaty breaches 
The action has received unlikely support from Nigel Farage: all the EU is doing is 'asking Boris to keep his promises' 

[timbothaivisa]

50 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Where was I talking about a court? 

It's called a parallel, and the entire discussion is about 

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hefty fines being imposed by the EU’s top court 

Are you sure you're on the right thread?

 

50 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Maybe read and understand what people wrote before replying. 

Quite.

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

5 minutes ago, timbothaivisa said:

It's called a parallel, and the entire discussion is about 

Are you sure you're on the right thread?

 

Quite.

 

No, I wasn’t talking about the courts. Please read before replying. Thank you. 

[luckyluke]

Headline on a Belgian / Flemish newspaper ( Google translation ).

 

"The European Commission is taking the UK to court for adhering to a law violating the Brexit divorce agreement. But more importantly, neither side will give up on negotiations."

In what way must we consider this attitude from both involved parties?

 

Desperate to get a deal,

the rest is " muscle showing " for the audience ?

[sawadee1947]

19 hours ago, vogie said:

It is truly gratifying that something has brought tears of joy to the remainers at last, a foreign power has just said that they will sue our country and they are ecstatic, speaks volumes, "I love my country" of course you do. ????????????

What a stupid comment...... 

As a member of a club you have to follow the rules. 

If not you'll feel the pain. A fine or sanctions are quite common. Easy as that. Nothing to do with Brexiteers or Remainers. 

 

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

What a stupid comment...... 

As a member of a club you have to follow the rules. 

If not you'll feel the pain. A fine or sanctions are quite common. Easy as that. Nothing to do with Brexiteers or Remainers. 

 

What rules, they make them up to suit as they go along. Our membership has expired if you hadn't noticed, we are no longer a member of a club that has to pay other members subscriptions. Most clubs whether you are a lawyer or a bricklayer pay the same subscriptions, it's called fairness.

 

[david555]

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

What rules, they make them up to suit as they go along. Our membership has expired if you hadn't noticed, we are no longer a member of a club that has to pay other members subscriptions. Most clubs whether you are a lawyer or a bricklayer pay the same subscriptions, it's called fairness.

 

For things & agreements / contracts or treaty's you'r U.K. signed up before you left and have binding commitment in future , and signed by your leader(s) ..... forgot ? …..

It is not called " fairness " it is trying to sneak out of your commitments 

Edited October 2, 2020 by david555

[sawadee1947]

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

What rules, they make them up to suit as they go along. Our membership has expired if you hadn't noticed, we are no longer a member of a club that has to pay other members subscriptions. Most clubs whether you are a lawyer or a bricklayer pay the same subscriptions, it's called fairness.

 

Another stupid comment. 

There are rules for an exit. Your membership ends at the end of this year. Up to the 31. 12. You have to follow EU regulations. 

It doesn't matter if you don't like it. 

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, david555 said:

For things & agreements / contracts or treaty's you signed up before you left and have binding commitment in future and signed by your leader ..... forgot ? …..

It is not called " fairness " it is trying to sneak out of your commitments 

We have left, we make our own rules now, however should you wish to follow the EUs Brave New Worlds rules, feel free, the UK will not stop you. 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, sawadee1947 said:

Another stupid comment. 

There are rules for an exit. Your membership ends at the end of this year. Up to the 31. 12. You have to follow EU regulations. 

It doesn't matter if you don't like it. 

Anything you don't agree with get's "another stupid comment" remark. 

We don't have to do anything we don't want to do, as proven.

[sawadee1947]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Anything you don't agree with get's "another stupid comment" remark. 

We don't have to do anything we don't want to do, as proven.

Maybe from next year on..... but up to then you are tied to EU laws and regulations. 

It seems impossible for you to accept laws? 

[david555]

Just now, vogie said:

We have left, we make our own rules now, however should you wish to follow the EUs Brave New Worlds rules, feel free, the UK will not stop you. 

Only on your island , so stick on it , as outside you would have a very narrow "pad" to walk or trade 

 

Forget any deal as long Boris keep that Bill alive , you may rely on that , it is high game play now  , the negotiation going on is just for showing good intentions.....

 

Remember once in Germany a very high so person from a SEA country  private plane was legally" grounded" because unpaid kerosene bill.....and only released when finally the bill was paid …...

[welovesundaysatspace]

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

We have left, we make our own rules now,

You were always able to make your own rules. Then and now it only becomes an issue when the rules you make infringe the rights of others. 

 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, sawadee1947 said:

Maybe from next year on..... but up to then you are tied to EU laws and regulations. 

It seems impossible for you to accept laws? 

When the EU stops breaking international law then maybe they might have a case, but for them to try and take the moral high ground is truly farcical.