EU, UK to step up Brexit talks to try to close 'significant gaps' over trade deal

[Jack Mountain]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

Fair is a relative concept. 

What one consider as unjust, may be considered as fair by another.

The longtime cherished myth of Brittish fairness is killed by Tony bLIAR ...

[transam]

1 minute ago, Jack Mountain said:

The longtime cherished myth of Brittish fairness is killed by Tony bLIAR ...

It's British, and things have moved on since the end of Labour governments.........

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, transam said:

It's British, and things have moved on since the end of Labour governments.........

Indeed things have gotten a lot worse since then.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Indeed things have gotten a lot worse since then.

Really, how come, the Brits have now got rid of its shackles......

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

The last time a bill was refused assent by the sovereign was in 1708 by Queen Anne, so either parliament are making great decisions all the time or the monarch is obliged to sign what is put in front of them, you decide.

Whether someone is obliged to do something is a matter of laws. Your (unelected) head of state is not obliged to sign what is put in front of her. 

 

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Just accept that the EUs leaders are unelected beaurocrats and stop trying to deflect all the time, bye bye everyone, bye bye.

Had you done your homework you would know that EU leaders aren’t unelected. Unlike the UK’s head of state and commander in chief. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Try starting your own thread chap.....????

I’m more than happy use this one ???? 

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Really, how come, the Brits have now got rid of its shackles......

They got that by turning into Turkeys and voting for Christmas. ????

[transam]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

They got that by turning into Turkeys and voting for Christmas. ????

Really, oh well......????

[transam]

5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I’m more than happy use this one ???? 

Obviously, surprised it hasn't been picked up...........

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Really, oh well......????

If you get the chance can you read my post #21 and answer the questions I put to you?

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

If you get the chance can you read my post #21 and answer the questions I put to you?

 

I did, wasn't worth replying too...????

[Jonnapat]

Stupid comments by the Foreign Secretary. 

Another Britannia Rule The Waves Tory. 

May common sense yet prevail. 

[Rookiescot]

19 minutes ago, transam said:

I did, wasn't worth replying too...????

Couldnt think of a reply then.

OK no problem.

[david555]

So Boris got an extra month given him to put his bill in the bin …. ???? , as else nothing go pass E.U. parliament for a vote on whatever comes out of the Frost / Barnier talks ….that is the reality behind this "farce" of a  video link  

Nice gesture of goodwill from Commission President Ursula ????

 

Edited October 4, 2020 by david555

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Why has Johnson been forced to beg for a talks extension if its the EU thats on the rails?

According to all you Brexiteers on here he is perfectly happy with no deal so why the need for a delay?

Fact is that its him thats blinking so much Optrex cant keep up with demand. ????

Johnson has not been forced to beg for a talks extension - the EU have regularly been keeping as many doors open as they can throughout Brexit.

 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, luckyluke said:

I am agree there may be something as "punishing".

 

However claiming that the 27 members of the E.U. all want to rush the door, is something I would qualify as overstate.

 

I suppose no-one will deny that for the moment Brexit is a mess.

 

We will have to wait next year, and several years more, to see concrete results.

 

If positive, some other countries in the E.U. may decide to leave the E.U. as well.

 

 

 

It was not claimed that the 27 members of the E.U. all want to rush the door. You are misquoting.

 

[transam]

26 minutes ago, david555 said:

So Boris got an extra month given him to put his bill in the bin …. ???? , as else nothing go pass E.U. parliament for a vote on whatever comes out of the Frost / Barnier talks ….that is the reality behind this "farce" of a  video link  

Nice gesture of goodwill from Commission President Ursula ????

 

....who is on the ropes.....????............????

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Whether someone is obliged to do something is a matter of laws. Your (unelected) head of state is not obliged to sign what is put in front of her. 

 

Had you done your homework you would know that EU leaders aren’t unelected. Unlike the UK’s head of state and commander in chief. 

By convention, HM is obliged to sign, just as the Lords have to give way eventually. 

 

EU leaders are selected and then approved rather than elected. In von der Leyens case the EU Parliament had a choice of one candidate - true democracy there! 

[3NUMBAS]

its wishfull thinking as they will never agree on anything so WTO it is

[puipuitom]

5 hours ago, petermik said:

Britain is one t not two....and we will certainly not be ruled by faceless unelected EU bureaucrats that,s for sure

How many members of the House of Lords are elected ? 

For the EU: it is an Union of states, NOT of people, so:

EU council = leaders of EU member states' governments,

EU Commission : each EU member state appoints one member.

EU Parliament: elected by the citizens of the member states. The rest are only governmental officials.

How many bureaucrats in the UK are elected ? According me, ALL are appointed, just as in the EU.

The governor of the bank of England or of Scotland ?

Any UK ambassador or representative anywhere ( UN, UNCTAD, Olympic Committee, FIFA, ... )

Edited October 4, 2020 by puipuitom

[puipuitom]

5 hours ago, transam said:

Explain...?

You know so little about the UK, that you do NOT know the Queen ( = Monarch, or her predecessors) were NOT elected ?

[transam]

1 minute ago, puipuitom said:

How many members of the House of Lords are elected ? 

For the EU: it is an Union of states, NOT of people, so: EU council = leaders of EU member states' governments, EU Commission : each EU member state appoints one member. EU Parliament: elected by the citizens of the member states. The rest are only governmental officials.

How many in the UK are elected ? According me, ALL are appointed, just as in the EU.

Isn't it great that the UK still has its Houses of Parliament, isn't it great that the UK will soon be controlling everything UK....Our History, isn't it Great....

[transam]

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

You know so little about the UK, that you do NOT know the Queen ( = Monarch, or her predecessors) were NOT elected ?

My "Explain" was to do with what the flush has the UK monarch got to do with this thread..........................????

[puipuitom]

5 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Our King ( Belgium ) has also still some powers, but he can not dictate parliament.

I still have  problems with the so called powers of Mrs. von der Leyen.

It would help if  I would know what specific directives she instructed the Belgian government.

So far I still believe the Belgian government is still in power to make on his own laws and regulations for its citizens.

And it is my belief this is the case for every member of the E.U..

Read the organisation of the EU, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_European_Commission#:~:text=The president of the European Commission is the,the college%2C collectively accountable to the European Parliament.

Role: see https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/presidents_en

• Gives political guidance to the Commission
• Calls and chairs meetings of the college of the Commissioners
• Leads the Commission's work in implementing EU policies
• Takes part in G7 meetings
• Contributes to major debates both in the European Parliament and between EU governments in the Council of the European Union

More on the Commission President's job
More on the European Commission
More on how Commissioners are appointed

 

The president of the EU Commission, a kind of council of ministers, has NOTHING to instruct any parliament of the EU member states. She is appointed by the EU Council = the heads of government of the EU member states.

[david555]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Isn't it great that the UK still has its Houses of Parliament, isn't it great that the UK will soon be controlling everything UK....Our History, isn't it Great....

Your own bosses ..really..? must be a marvellous feeling ????????????

 

Are you not ashame to say that as subject of Imperial Britain to have feeled you as subject to other ruler ....????????????.....identity crisis restoring ....???? at last  ?

 

[david555]

19 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

its wishfull thinking as they will never agree on anything so WTO it is

No ...,as long that Boris international treaty breaking law is not "binned" NO !

Edited October 4, 2020 by david555

[herfiehandbag]

5 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

She does have control. You’re making things up. 
 

Again, you’re making things up. Just using your false claims about EU leaders being “unelected” as an excuse for your unelected head of state. 

You are showing a remarkable, almost phenomenal, lack of understanding, both of the realities of a constitutional monarchy (not just the UK but also several other European nations) and of the governance of your beloved EU.

 

Or are you just trying to pick a fight?

[Rookiescot]

30 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Johnson has not been forced to beg for a talks extension - the EU have regularly been keeping as many doors open as they can throughout Brexit.

 

Who phoned who?

Johnson phoned Ursula not the other way around. Was probably giving it the big Wai the whole way through the video call. ????

[puipuitom]

20 minutes ago, transam said:

Isn't it great that the UK still has its Houses of Parliament, isn't it great that the UK will soon be controlling everything UK....Our History, isn't it Great....

No further comment needed:

www.worldatlas.com/articles/sick-man-of-europe.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/28/why-the-uk-is-the-sick-man-of-europe-again

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/the-sick-man-of-europe

 

Be happy on your tiny islands. Do not forget to apply for a Schengen visa, international drivers + insurance licences, and... WTO "third country" import duty into the EU.

 

Bye-the-way: in all EU member states, EACH national Parliament has to agree with a Brexit deal ( if to be organised in these short days) OR.. EVER.. a new membership of the UK (England). ONE against = nothing

 

Good luck with your history. Reality nowadays is "slightly" different. Maybe back to the times of Alfred the Great ? 

 

And bye-the way: the Canada deal...Not in force (parts are provisionally applied), only 15 EU members ratified till now. 10 9 TEN) years after the start of negociations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Economic_and_Trade_Agreement

 https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2020/09/30/ceta-trade-deal-three-years-later-canadian-agriculture-still-dissatisfied/ ( September 30, 2020 )

Edited October 4, 2020 by puipuitom

[Rookiescot]

40 minutes ago, transam said:

....who is on the ropes.....????............????

Who phoned who asking for an extension?

All that bluff and bluster and Johnson is on the blower begging for an extension to the trade talks. ????