EU, UK to step up Brexit talks to try to close 'significant gaps' over trade deal

[Loiner]

4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Yes, those are temporary situations which can cause Operation Stack. As have strikes by English ferry workers.

 

Odd that you of all people should prefer the word of a French official over Michael Gove; a leading Brexiteer and a member of Boris' cabinet!

 

BTW, why don't you provide links to your screenshots. Ashamed of the source?

What is it with you people and links? Are you too idle to find your own, with a simple google?

Just for you, and for one time only: 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/9702660/calais-boss-rubbishes-brexit-trade-routes-chaos-warnings/ 

 

And the current headline:

[7by7]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Did you miss their "You are not on the Third Country List" trick, or as a Remainer are you still trying to use it as a means to impose an EU food blockade and tariffs on Northern Island? 

Boris and his advisers had more foresight than you lot

The EU has not refused to put the UK on it's Third Country list; what they have said is that they cannot do so until the UK government tells them what our import and export rules will be.

 

Brexit: What is a third country?

 

I have no desire to see a blockade on Northern Ireland of any kind; which is why I always opposed Boris' customs border down the Irish Sea. Any one with the slightest foresight at all could, and did, foresee the possible problems that border may cause. Boris was a fool to insist upon it after May had rejected it as something no British PM could ever agree to!

 

No wonder he now wants to renege upon it; despite proclaiming it as an 'oven ready deal' last December and a triumph last January. Any and all problems this may cause are of Johnson's making, and his alone. 

 

[7by7]

4 minutes ago, Loiner said:

What is it with you people and links? Are you too idle to find your own, with a simple google?

Posting a link when quoting a source avoids copyright problems, is basic netiquette and complies with the forum rules.

 

It is not up to me to find your links! You should post them yourself.

 

[CG1 Blue]

41 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

I have no desire to see a blockade on Northern Ireland of any kind; which is why I always opposed Boris' customs border down the Irish Sea. Any one with the slightest foresight at all could, and did, foresee the possible problems that border may cause. Boris was a fool to insist upon it after May had rejected it as something no British PM could ever agree to!

Boris and his team had the foresight to know that agreeing to this border down the Irish sea would get Brexit done, and that they could subsequently implement laws to protect us from any EU shenanigans. He played the perfect hand! 

[Rookiescot]

9 hours ago, Loiner said:

When dealing with Johnny Foreigner it's often the same: You think you have a deal then you find they are up to something else and double dealing through loopholes. Always trying to lie cheat and trick to get their own Euro and Remainer ways.

 

Good job Boris had the IMB ready to override their Third Country tricks. Now he should declare the WA over ready deal well and truly burned, as the EU were not negotiating in good faith.  

And then you quote a Johnny Foreigner to back up your claim there are going to be no delays because of Brexit ????

[sandyf]

14 hours ago, 7by7 said:

But my point is that these lorry parks would not be necessary were it not for Brexit.

What people fail to appreciate is that the introduction of the single market turned the customs procedure from what was a financial exercise into a statistical exercise reducing the workload on customs and business very significantly.

Reverting back to a financial exercise will see the return of that workload and more significantly for customs, fraud will once again rear it's ugly head.

As there was nothing to be gained, the single market effectively wiped out customs fraud between the UK and EU.

[RayC]

16 hours ago, Loiner said:

Only last month - French Docker strikes

Earlier - French fishermen blockades. Expect lots more of those.............

Last year - French customs strikes

 

But there won't be delays due to Brexit, even the Calais Port boss says so.

It appears that his counterpart in Rotterdam disagrees

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1Q31SI

 

[7by7]

15 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Boris and his team had the foresight to know that agreeing to this border down the Irish sea would get Brexit done, and that they could subsequently implement laws to protect us from any EU shenanigans. He played the perfect hand! 

 Firstly, Boris didn't 'agree' to the Customs Border down the Irish Sea; it had already been rejected and Boris brought it back as his idea.

 

Secondly; you are now saying that all Boris' talk of his oven ready deal, all the triumphalism over his agreement, in fact everything about Boris' WA up to and including the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020 was all a lie designed to fool the EU! That Boris never had any intention of sticking to what he called his agreement!

 

Yet you accuse the EU of shenanigans!

[Surelynot]

https://twitter.com/liamthorpecho/status/1316468816868716545?s=24

They are too busy lining their pockets to even care about Brexit.....covid is where the real money is.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Firstly, Boris didn't 'agree' to the Customs Border down the Irish Sea; it had already been rejected and Boris brought it back as his idea.

 

Secondly; you are now saying that all Boris' talk of his oven ready deal, all the triumphalism over his agreement, in fact everything about Boris' WA up to and including the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020 was all a lie designed to fool the EU! That Boris never had any intention of sticking to what he called his agreement!

 

Yet you accuse the EU of shenanigans!

Well they started it.

[placeholder]

18 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Boris and his team had the foresight to know that agreeing to this border down the Irish sea would get Brexit done, and that they could subsequently implement laws to protect us from any EU shenanigans. He played the perfect hand! 

How did agreeing to that border help get Brexit done? All it did, it turns out, was throw a spanner in the works at a later date. And how does reneging on one's word help a nation in future negotiations?

[7by7]

38 minutes ago, nauseus said:

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Yet you accuse the EU of shenanigans!

Well they started it

How so?

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Firstly, Boris didn't 'agree' to the Customs Border down the Irish Sea; it had already been rejected and Boris brought it back as his idea.

 

Secondly; you are now saying that all Boris' talk of his oven ready deal, all the triumphalism over his agreement, in fact everything about Boris' WA up to and including the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020 was all a lie designed to fool the EU! That Boris never had any intention of sticking to what he called his agreement!

 

Yet you accuse the EU of shenanigans!

Yes, you need someone with a bit of ingenuity and trickery when up against the EU shysters. Anyone playing with a straight bat (e.g. Theresa May) would be eaten alive. 

[7by7]

5 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Yes, you need someone with a bit of ingenuity and trickery when up against the EU shysters. Anyone playing with a straight bat (e.g. Theresa May) would be eaten alive. 

Neither you nor anyone else who are defending Boris' chicanery by accusing the EU of deceit and being shysters etc. have yet come up with any examples of same.

 

Why is that?

 

May had negotiated a WA; the same WA Boris now claims is his! We'd have left the EU on the 31st March 2019 were it not for the ingenuity and trickery your hero used to get himself into Number 10.

 

Once there he used the same ingenuity and trickery to convince 43.6% of voters last December that his oven ready deal was the Holy Grail of Brexit!

 

Now it seems that it isn't; that he has been lying to us as well as the EU and the rest of the world all this time.

 

Personally, I'm not surprised.

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

8 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Neither you nor anyone else who are defending Boris' chicanery by accusing the EU of deceit and being shysters etc. have yet come up with any examples of same.

 

Why is that?

 

May had negotiated a WA; the same WA Boris now claims is his! We'd have left the EU on the 31st March 2019 were it not for the ingenuity and trickery your hero used to get himself into Number 10.

 

Once there he used the same ingenuity and trickery to convince 43.6% of voters last December that his oven ready deal was the Holy Grail of Brexit!

 

Now it seems that it isn't; that he has been lying to us as well as the EU and the rest of the world all this time.

 

Personally, I'm not surprised.

 

 

Have we left the EU? Yes. Job done. Thanks Bojo. 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

How so?

By setting out their preferred withdrawal process sequencing rules (which do not exist in any EU treaty).

Edited October 15, 2020 by nauseus

[7by7]

39 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Have we left the EU? Yes. Job done. Thanks Bojo. 

Still can't provide examples of the deceit etc. from the EU  then.

 

No surprise, there.

[7by7]

39 minutes ago, nauseus said:

By setting out their preferred withdrawal process sequencing rules (which do not exist in any EU treaty).

Is that it? Really?

 

The EU and UK agreed the sequence in which the withdrawal process would take place. The process for withdrawing from the European Union

 

You said, yourself, that this does not exist in any EU treaty; so that process had to be agreed before anything else!

 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2020 by 7by7
typos

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Yes, you need someone with a bit of ingenuity and trickery when up against the EU shysters. Anyone playing with a straight bat (e.g. Theresa May) would be eaten alive. 

Mother Theresa was one of them. A willing EU supplicant who was playing us the UK, while actually coming back with the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty. Not so much eaten alive, as sucked in then spat back to us.

The EU shysters thought they had pulled one over the UK with Cameron and May, but can't do it with Boris. He's always one step ahead of them. No wonder some of the Euro posters here call him Boris the liar - it must be some sort of backhanded foreign compliment because he's better at it than they are!

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Still can't provide examples of the deceit etc. from the EU  then.

 

No surprise, there.

Examples that spring to mind Barnier and Verhofstadt's despicable comments in the Brexit: Behind Closed Doors documentary.  Showing contempt and mocking the UK negotiating team, using delaying (or attrition) tactics in the hope the British public would tire of the delays. Verhofstadt's gleeful "they are stuck" comment. 

 

At the first full steering committee meeting we see them celebrating and toasting their conclusion that the UK is stuck with them; and will be paying contributions for another 5 years. 

 

The EU banned senior Irish customs officials from holding any meaningful discussions or negotiations with the UK over new border arrangements. The EU needed the Irish border to remain a big issue (a stick to beat us with), and the Irish government were happy enough to play ball because of their desire for a united Ireland. 

 

Barnier is on tape saying: "There is a tactical reason to use Ireland for future negotiations. Isolating Ireland and not closing this point. Leaving it open for the next 2 or 3 years, and this will give us permanent pressure for trade negotiations etc."

 

Playing with the fears and emotions of the Irish people to achieve their goal. Disgusting. 

 

This was just at the beginning. Just a taster for you. 

 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2020 by CG1 Blue

[melvinmelvin]

6 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Neither you nor anyone else who are defending Boris' chicanery by accusing the EU of deceit and being shysters etc. have yet come up with any examples of same.

 

Why is that?

 

May had negotiated a WA; the same WA Boris now claims is his! We'd have left the EU on the 31st March 2019 were it not for the ingenuity and trickery your hero used to get himself into Number 10.

 

Once there he used the same ingenuity and trickery to convince 43.6% of voters last December that his oven ready deal was the Holy Grail of Brexit!

 

Now it seems that it isn't; that he has been lying to us as well as the EU and the rest of the world all this time.

 

Personally, I'm not surprised.

 

 

 

naah blahh - see bold above

I disagree that the hero was behind failure in March-19, that failure was mainly attributed to a non functioning

so called sovereign parliament

don't blame TM or BJ, your lousy Parliament is the man culprit here

 

[JonnyF]

11 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Neither you nor anyone else who are defending Boris' chicanery by accusing the EU of deceit and being shysters etc. have yet come up with any examples of same.

 

[luckyluke]

With Mr. Barnier saying  “we shall remain available until the last possible day to strike a deal", Mr. Johnson is cornered.

Unless capitulating, he is compelled to announce a no-deal Brexit,

to the delight of the Hard Brexiteers.

Of course Mr. Cummings is still there, he may pull a rabbit out of his hat.

 

[Surelynot]

10 hours ago, Loiner said:

Mother Theresa was one of them. A willing EU supplicant who was playing us the UK, while actually coming back with the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty. Not so much eaten alive, as sucked in then spat back to us.

The EU shysters thought they had pulled one over the UK with Cameron and May, but can't do it with Boris. He's always one step ahead of them. No wonder some of the Euro posters here call him Boris the liar - it must be some sort of backhanded foreign compliment because he's better at it than they are!

If you are one step ahead of Boris, you'll find you are still two steps behind everyone else. 

 

He is a third rate journalist....and that's all he's got.

[RayC]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

Yes, a shining example of EU "good faith".

And what does this 30 second prove exactly? Seems to be a case of thinking aloud. Barnier says at the end: "We have to be careful what the European Council and member states think.." implying that they probably wouldn't agree, and that it is what matters as Barnier reports to them.

[Loiner]

6 hours ago, Surelynot said:

If you are one step ahead of Boris, you'll find you are still two steps behind everyone else. 

 

He is a third rate journalist....and that's all he's got.

It's the EU that is one step behind Boris. Where does that place them in the running?

 

Your opinion of Boris's journalistic capabilities don't really matter, although he was probably earning more at that than you could hope to. What he has now got is the Prime Minister job and a landslide majority of 80 seats. 

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

It's the EU that is one step behind Boris. Where does that place them in the running?

 

Your opinion of Boris's journalistic capabilities don't really matter, although he was probably earning more at that than you could hope to. What he has now got is the Prime Minister job and a landslide majority of 80 seats. 

Its the EU which is telling Johnson to compromise or leave with no deal.

The EU does not care about his 80 seat majority.  

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, RayC said:

And what does this 30 second prove exactly? Seems to be a case of thinking aloud. Barnier says at the end: "We have to be careful what the European Council and member states think.." implying that they probably wouldn't agree, and that it is what matters as Barnier reports to them.

It proves that "good faith" has not been much of a consideration to EU negotiators.

[Loiner]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Its the EU which is telling Johnson to compromise or leave with no deal.

The EU does not care about his 80 seat majority.  

It's Boris telling them he will not compromise, and is ready to leave with No Deal. They are begging for more time to keep telling him that he has to capitulate to their EU demands. It's just not happening is it?

 

They do care about his majority because that is what gives Boris the power to override their EU trickery with our own legislation in the Internal Markets Bill. I wonder what the next one will be to override the EU?

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

It's Boris telling them he will not compromise, and is ready to leave with No Deal. They are begging for more time to keep telling him that he has to capitulate to their EU demands. It's just not happening is it?

 

They do care about his majority because that is what gives Boris the power to override their EU trickery with our own legislation in the Internal Markets Bill. I wonder what the next one will be to override the EU?

You dont have to take my word for it. You can listen to David Frost. Your chief negotiator. 

 

“Also surprised by suggestion that to get an agreement all future moves must come from UK. It’s an unusual approach to conducting a negotiation.”