Forbes article "Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designed To Succeed"

[steelepulse]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/#1ab1772a5247

 

From the article, it seems like the bar is set low just to get approval so they can start printing money. From day 1 I've been saying follow the money and it sure looks like big pharma will be reaping some nice benefits for pushing fear and scare mongering for months now, with Bill Gates saying early on this won't end until there is a vaccine.  

 

In the article, the author is asking what a normal vaccine trial would look.

 

"Prevention of infection must be a critical endpoint."

"Prevention of infection is not a criterion for success for any of these vaccines."

Three of the vaccine protocols—Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca—do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease only that they prevent moderate symptoms which may be as mild as cough, or headache.

[2long]

On the one hand, there are suckers all around the world who are totally taken in by this Covid thing. They're scared and they believe anything that reassures their fears.

Then on the other hand some think that it's a plandemic hoax set up by the illuminati and Bill Gates wants to sterilise (with his vaccine) all those who don't fit his racial preferences.

 

When in reality, it's all about the money.... the money for this vaccine!

[mr mr]

just think..... people in 6 months are going to look back on now as the good ol days. 

[RickBradford]

So, a mild illness which mostly requires no medical intervention is to get a vaccine which is designed to do very little.

 

And everyone - in government at least - is going to pretend that this is a wonder drug which has saved humanity from a modern plague.

 

Sensemaking has hit a new low, it seems.

[partington]

 

11 hours ago, RickBradford said:

So, a mild illness which mostly requires no medical intervention is to get a vaccine which is designed to do very little.

 

And everyone - in government at least - is going to pretend that this is a wonder drug which has saved humanity from a modern plague.

 

Sensemaking has hit a new low, it seems.

A disease that is very "mild" for 99% of those infected, and fatal for 1%, and is extremely contagious, is not "mild" in its effects on society.  If a 100 million people catch it, 1 million people who would not have died, will die.  This is a massive death toll, and a lot of human misery.

 

A vaccine that prevents death, even if it does not prevent infection, is therefore still extremely valuable though far from ideal. 

 

What is more, just because vaccines may be approved that do not prevent infection, does not mean:

 

(a) that the vaccines are designed to not prevent infection - of course the hope of every group working on vaccines is that their vaccine will prevent infection.

 

(b) that no vaccine that can prevent infection will ever be developed -there are literally  hundreds of groups trying to develop vaccines, by a variety of technologies and designs, and the approval of one, (especially if does not prevent infection) will not halt the endeavours to develop others that do prevent infection.

 

 

Edited October 11, 2020 by partington

[steelepulse]

33 minutes ago, partington said:

 

A disease that is very "mild" for 99% of those infected, and fatal for 1%, and is extremely contagious, is not "mild" in its effects on society.  If a 100 million people catch it, 1 million people who would not have died, will die.  This is a massive death toll, and a lot of human misery.

 

A vaccine that prevents death, even if it does not prevent infection, is therefore still extremely valuable though far from ideal. 

 

What is more, just because vaccines may be approved that do not prevent infection, does not mean:

 

(a) that the vaccines are designed to not prevent infection - of course the hope of every group working on vaccines is that their vaccine will prevent infection.

 

(b) that no vaccine that can prevent infection will ever be developed -there are literally  hundreds of groups trying to develop vaccines, by a variety of technologies and designs, and the approval of one, (especially if does not prevent infection) will not halt the endeavours to develop others that do prevent infection.

 

 

Your stats are not correct.  IFR is around .2-.3%, not 1%.

[FarFlungFalang]

7 minutes ago, steelepulse said:

Your stats are not correct.  IFR is around .2-.3%, not 1%.

The WHO estimates that 10% of the global population have contracted sars cov 2 which means the IFR would be 0.14%,which is equivalent to the normal flu.So it looks like turning out to be just the flu just like some have been saying all along and they have also been saying Beware the Cure!

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-06/1-in-10-worldwide-may-have-caught-covid-19,-says-who/12733992

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, partington said:

 

A disease that is very "mild" for 99% of those infected, and fatal for 1%, and is extremely contagious, is not "mild" in its effects on society.  If a 100 million people catch it, 1 million people who would not have died, will die.  This is a massive death toll, and a lot of human misery.

 

A vaccine that prevents death, even if it does not prevent infection, is therefore still extremely valuable though far from ideal. 

 

What is more, just because vaccines may be approved that do not prevent infection, does not mean:

 

(a) that the vaccines are designed to not prevent infection - of course the hope of every group working on vaccines is that their vaccine will prevent infection.

 

(b) that no vaccine that can prevent infection will ever be developed -there are literally  hundreds of groups trying to develop vaccines, by a variety of technologies and designs, and the approval of one, (especially if does not prevent infection) will not halt the endeavours to develop others that do prevent infection.

 

 

You may be correct, but if you have children they will be paying the bill and their children after them. Not forgetting those that die because of the economy etc.

There is no such thing as a free lunch and governments are supposed to govern for the benefit of all, which includes those with other diseases that are not being treated because it's all about corona now.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

The WHO estimates that 10% of the global population have contracted sars cov 2 which means the IFR would be 0.14%,which is equivalent to the normal flu.So it looks like turning out to be just the flu just like some have been saying all along and they have also been saying Beware the Cure!

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-06/1-in-10-worldwide-may-have-caught-covid-19,-says-who/12733992

History may show that the "cure" was worse than the disease.

[Mike Rodik]

keep this in mind:   SICK / CHRONIC PEOPLE are excluded ALWAYS from clinical trials

 

but who dies the most :  old & chronic sick people with 1,2,3 co-morbid diseases on pills for each of them

 

so take very healthy people, that follow a protocol of staying at home, washing hands, they will not die and big pharma can pretend:  the vaccine works ! 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Mike Rodik