Teacher knifed to death in France after showing class cartoons of Prophet Mohammad

[luckyluke]

18 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Some examples, in no particular order, I located in a few minutes:

 

 

 

 

 

From years ago, some outside of France.

And apparently useless.

So, not convinced.

I expect draconian measures, in accordance with the atrocities committed.

A clearly signal to the people, and  the Muslim community that the heat is on.

[sirocco]

Ah! Simple1 post 44,
you will not change.
Good, good, but bad pick.
Or else I no longer know my geography or my history.
I did not know that Mali was a French country, although France had a renowned French / Muslim hostage for whom it owes a lot of gratitude to these bodyguards, these sympathetic "political opponents", who rape, massacres, kill a hostage 'and others, certainly.
It is in France that we must deploy the military against all this scum.
Imams expelled from France?
Between the day when there is surveillance, the day when they are warned that they are likely to leave France, eh, and the day when they are put on the plane, it goes well 5 years.
And during that time, they do a lot of damage.
Just a little last.
Laicity ???? in schools
Ah, for sure it works well.
No more Christmas trees, no more cribs, no more pork in the canteens, the women go out with the pupils, well veiled, appear in parliamentary meetings, with or without their children, veiled.
Indeed, it works well.

[alien365]

4 minutes ago, GigsGigs said:

That makes you a dhimmi to them, they are using a technique called taquiya on you (spelling?).

I wouldn't have a clue. I can only add that I've found the vast majority of Muslims to be very kind and genuine people, in the UK and Thailand. I don't believe my closer friends would be using a technique on me, but I understand a random person in the street may.

 

I'm just trying to highlight that to a moderate Muslim, this terrorist is not a true Muslim.

[sirocco]

Are you kidding, PETROGAZ POST 46
you don't have to know the mentality of Africans.
If they come alone or with children, the first thing they will do is get together with African men and have babies, free of charge, because they will be supported by the government and the many associations.

[amykat]

2 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Not going to respond to all your points but everything you say is a perfect example of feminist thinking. Feminism is a lie, the truth: women ARE happier married. Maybe not in their 20-30s but in their 40s and onwards, yes, married at home is better than sitting in some office 8 hours a day until your soul is crushed.

 

As for the men you can't believe the amount of people I know in the US who are dating foreign women younger than themselves. The white women are the ones who were lied to and thanks to mass immigration there is an unlimited supply of young women to replace them. 

Well you are a younger man, in Thailand, sometimes, when you can afford it, right??  You aren’t a boomer, you were raised with more equality between the sexes I am pretty sure.  It hasn’t worked out well for YOU??  Feminism, let me state only means equality between the sexes as far as laws and employment go, more or less.  Why don’t you STATE that you believe woman are inferior??  If you don’t believe that, well why wouldn’t we have equality?  Would you like to find yourself, married with multiple kids, medically disabled, and your wife can only earn $8 an hour because ....well she is female.  She can get advanced degrees, but woman are paid as if their job is a hobby.  Now you and your kids live in the street.  Is that good for you?  Or would you prefer to vacation in Tahiti every year with her 6 figure income.  Would you like your children to not live in poverty if you die or can’t work??  What the hell are you advocating??  You have low self esteem for sure!!

 

 

 

[luckyluke]

30 minutes ago, alien365 said:

They have not been happy with any of the terrorist attacks either. 

What we don't see is a clearly condemnation.

 

I am not aware of any public manifestation of Muslims against the atrocities committed by some of their like.

 

Silence means consent ?

[Harveyboy]

5 hours ago, luckyluke said:

It will be intetesting to read the concrete measures Mr. Macron will take. 

i hope for once macron is correct and we can exterminate this filth from our planet they are low life cowardly vermin no place for them 

[Opl]

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

What we don't see is a clearly condemnation.

 

I am not aware of any public manifestation of Muslims against the atrocities committed by some of their like.

 

Silence means consent ?

they rather never miss to condemn islamophobia (how many attacks in France, since 5 years?)

Edited October 17, 2020 by Opl

[simple1]

4 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

From years ago, some outside of France.

And apparently useless.

So, not convinced.

I expect draconian measures, in accordance with the atrocities committed.

A clearly signal to the people, and  the Muslim community that the heat is on.

For some reason you were incapable of using Google, you wanted examples, I provided some for you, both overseas military operations and domestic legislation. There will be further French military activities, at the least in North Africa / Sahel region. Concerning future proposed legislation make some effort and inform yourself, for the meantime I'm sure the Islamist community in France is fully aware 'the heat is on'.

[Rimmer]

A post has been removed, STOP trying to hijack this topic with talk of Feminism

[CorpusChristie]

57 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Don't know why you would think that.

The bible clearly states 'Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" ...... and that's just one death threat of many.

If you read 'Leviticus', they even want to kill you for planting two different crops in one field.

Errrmm and how many people have been killed for planting two different crops in one field ? 

[luckyluke]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

For some reason you were incapable of using Google, you wanted examples, I provided some for you, both overseas military operations and domestic legislation. There will be further French military activities, at the least in North Africa / Sahel region. Concerning future proposed legislation make some effort and inform yourself, for the meantime I'm sure the Islamist community in France is fully aware 'the heat is on'.

As mentioned before, not good enough for me.

Try harder.

[CorpusChristie]

20 minutes ago, alien365 said:

I wouldn't have a clue. I can only add that I've found the vast majority of Muslims to be very kind and genuine people, in the UK and Thailand. I don't believe my closer friends would be using a technique on me, but I understand a random person in the street may.

 

I'm just trying to highlight that to a moderate Muslim, this terrorist is not a true Muslim.

Aren't real, proper Muslims forbidden to have non Muslim friends , as written in the Koran ?

[simple1]

17 minutes ago, sirocco said:

Ah! Simple1 post 44,
you will not change.
Good, good, but bad pick.
Or else I no longer know my geography or my history.
I did not know that Mali was a French country, although France had a renowned French / Muslim hostage for whom it owes a lot of gratitude to these bodyguards, these sympathetic "political opponents", who rape, massacres, kill a hostage 'and others, certainly.
It is in France that we must deploy the military against all this scum.
Imams expelled from France?
Between the day when there is surveillance, the day when they are warned that they are likely to leave France, eh, and the day when they are put on the plane, it goes well 5 years.
And during that time, they do a lot of damage.
Just a little last.
Laicity ???? in schools
Ah, for sure it works well.
No more Christmas trees, no more cribs, no more pork in the canteens, the women go out with the pupils, well veiled, appear in parliamentary meetings, with or without their children, veiled.
Indeed, it works well.

As you are French, I find your comments concerning French military intervention in Mali very strange, I would have thought you would understand the strategic rationale. 

 

The rest of your post take up with your government.

 

 

[simple1]

23 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Aren't real, proper Muslims forbidden to have non Muslim friends , as written in the Koran ?

Christians / Jews are respected as 'people of the book', shared prophets, myths and so on. In other verses referring to betrayal / conflict (Sword verses) not so 'friendly'. Until this day arguments on interpretation across different Muslim sects  / schools of thought. As you likely know, Islam is not homogeneous.

Edited October 17, 2020 by simple1

[sirocco]

Here then! Simple1
Whether I am of any nationality, of any origin, I do not see why a country sends its soldiers to a territory which is not its own and especially which has no recognition for those who are fighting and die for them.
You don't have Africans at home (from Mali or elsewhere) and you never observe their behavior?
Now, if you are still old enough to trudge through the djebels, get involved and, if not, help them by distributing food, clothes, in their country.
And don't forget to retype their box.
They will watch you do it.
They love the assistantship.
Otherwise, if they are in your country, open your house to them indefinitely.
They love to squat. It reminds them of their country.
Live at 15 !!!!!

[Oxx]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Christians / Jews are respected as 'people of the book', shared prophets, myths and so on.

 

If they are so respected, why did Mohammed order the slaughter of 100s of Muslim boys and men at Banu Qurayza? Why did he order that Christians and Jews be extorted to pay jizya?

 

Mohammed sucked up to Jews when he thought they might be useful to him during his time in Mecca.  That's why he appropriated Jewish history and traditions for his newfangled religion - to make it more appealing to Jews.  That turned to virulent hatred during his Medina period when he realised they were not going to recognise him as one of their prophets or convert to worshipping him and the pagan moon god, "Allah".

 

In short, it's possible to cherry-pick verses from the Koran that are positive towards Jews, but they are all from Mohammed's Mecca period and are totally abrogated by his subsequent revelations.

[simple1]

18 minutes ago, Oxx said:

 

If they are so respected, why did Mohammed order the slaughter of 100s of Muslim boys and men at Banu Qurayza? Why did he order that Christians and Jews be extorted to pay jizya?

 

Mohammed sucked up to Jews when he thought they might be useful to him during his time in Mecca.  That's why he appropriated Jewish history and traditions for his newfangled religion - to make it more appealing to Jews.  That turned to virulent hatred during his Medina period when he realised they were not going to recognise him as one of their prophets or convert to worshipping him and the pagan moon god, "Allah".

 

In short, it's possible to cherry-pick verses from the Koran that are positive towards Jews, but they are all from Mohammed's Mecca period and are totally abrogated by his subsequent revelations.

Do you know how to interpret the Koran, context of the Sword verses, history of disputes on interpretation, still unresolved for homogenous agreement after hundreds of years and so on. Even the number of authentic Hadiths is disputed, Are you a Koranic scholar, I'm not, nor do do I pretend to be - how about you?

Edited October 17, 2020 by simple1

[transam]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Do you know how to interpret the Koran, context of the Sword verses, history of disputes on interpretation, still unresolved for homogenous agreement after hundreds of years and so on. Even the number of authentic Hadiths is disputed, Are you a Koranic scholar, I'm not, nor do do I pretend to be - how about you?

As you seem to know a lot about this religion, does ISIS know how to interpret the Koran.....?

[cyril sneer]

I think even if religion was taken away, attacks like these would still happen, violent inhumane behaviour is ingrained in particular races

[Opl]

16 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Do you know how to interpret the Koran, context of the Sword verses, history of disputes on interpretation, still unresolved for homogenous agreement after hundreds of years and so on. Even the number of authentic Hadiths is disputed, Are you a Koranic scholar, I'm not, nor do do I pretend to be - how about you?

We don't care, these specious quibbles are totally irrelevant - We don't want of that social/political system on our soil completely antinomic to our values, impacting our daily lives - period. 

Edited October 17, 2020 by Opl

[alien365]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

Aren't real, proper Muslims forbidden to have non Muslim friends , as written in the Koran ?

May be when it was written but religion and mostly people evolve, apart from for the extremists. Similar could be said for Christianity but I don't see many Christians following every rule in the book

[simple1]

8 minutes ago, Opl said:

We don't care, these specious quibbles are totally irrelevant - We don't want of that social/political system on our soil completely antinomic to our values, impacting our daily lives - period. 

You don't care, but IMO relevant to comprehend. ignorance is not a solution, I believe many Muslims would not be educated on the history, in context, nor the spiritual aspects of Islam, which is the true path for any religion, but rarely practiced. There is an an excellent book written by an ex Islamic extremist - "The Islamist", a good insight on the issues and a potential way forward to engage. You may like to look up the authors current profile; Ed Husain

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Islamist

[tgw]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You don't care, but IMO relevant to comprehend. ignorance is not a solution, I believe many Muslims would not be educated on the history, in context, nor the spiritual aspects of Islam, which is the true path for any religion, but rarely practiced. There is an an excellent book written by an ex Islamic extremist - "The Islamist", a good insight on the issues and a potential way forward to engage. You may like to look up the authors current profile; Ed Husain

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Islamist

this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Looming_Tower

explains what it's about.

 

 

[simple1]

7 minutes ago, tgw said:

this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Looming_Tower

explains what it's about.

 

 

if you're interested in the ideology behind Islamist terror after 9/11 try reading 'The Management of Savagery". The English translation may now be blocked for download, but the link below provides an overview.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_of_Savagery

[RocketDog]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Some examples, in no particular order, I located in a few minutes:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Serval

 

https://www.thelocal.fr/20150629/france-40-imams-deported-for-preaching-hatred

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_law_on_secularity_and_conspicuous_religious_symbols_in_schools

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54383173

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opération_Chammal

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/02/france-to-send-600-more-troops-to-fight-armed-groups-in-sahel/

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/11/france-syria-iraq-isis/416013/

 

https://rmx.news/article/article/france-will-no-longer-accept-foreign-imams-and-islamic-teachers

Still, the bottom line is that the native birthrate in France is unsustainably low and they need immigrants to support the retirement pensions of aging French citizens. So the motivation for opening the country to immigrants seems logical, but doing so without extreme discretion has proven unwise. 

It's ultimately short-sighted because the high birthrate of the Muslim immigrants will mean that soon they will be electing their own to government and eventually will simply defund the social system and phase in sharia law.

 

Human history is a long story of one culture subsuming another to extinction. The Japanese seem to be the least willing to accept this and are literally paying couples to have children, not just tax breaks. 

 

I've had spirited discussions with French citizens who fervently claim that the immigrants will embrace French culture and assimilate. In my opinion this is wishful thinking. Islam is not a religion, it is a way of life that will not be abandoned easily. Islam stresses assimilation but strictly one direction. 

 

This entire conundrum is common to several western EU countries and the results are in evidence in many, Germany being another example. 

 

For better or not the Islamization of Europe is underway and accelerating; France is not unique except in being farthest along in the process. Muslims are ~9% of the population today, over 6% in Germany, 8% in Sweden. This is one of the consequences of cradle-to-grave socialism. 

 

Pew Research Center statistics:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/29/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/

[Mike k]

6 hours ago, baansgr said:

Knifed to death....he was beheaded with a kitchen knife in public and in full view of other teachers and students. Enrichment gathers pace

He needs to be drowned in a barrel of pig blood 

[Opl]

23 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You don't care, but IMO relevant to comprehend. ignorance is not a solution, I believe many Muslims would not be educated on the history, in context, nor the spiritual aspects of Islam, which is the true path for any religion, but rarely practiced. There is an an excellent book written by an ex Islamic extremist - "The Islamist", a good insight on the issues and a potential way forward to engage. You may like to look up the authors current profile; Ed Husain

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Islamist

it's not an Islamist issue, it's Islam. And in France we don't submit to Religion.

Repeated terror attacks prove that there is no moderate Islam or radical Islam -  " Islam is Islamism at rest and Islamism is Islam in motion. It's one and the same thing" (Ferhat Mehenni))

But we know it already - all the rest is cover up

 

[alien365]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

What we don't see is a clearly condemnation.

 

I am not aware of any public manifestation of Muslims against the atrocities committed by some of their like.

 

Silence means consent ?

I didn't voice out for BLM but that doesn't mean I disagree with it. I dislike the notion that if anyone doesn't actively show support they are considered bad or the enemy.

 

I do get your point though, but what are they meant to do? Are there marches after terrorist attacks to join? I guess nowadays it's sharing a hashtag or two

[Orton Rd]

2 hours ago, alien365 said:

As usual, the actions of the extreme Islamists ends up causing more damage to the religion and it's people. I understand Muslims get upset when they see images of Muhammad but Buddhists also get upset seeing Buddha being used for decoration. It's the response from the extreme elements that is worrying.

 

I don't have any problem with the vast majority of Muslims. I have close Muslims friends who have integrated to western society. They have not been happy with any of the terrorist attacks either. 

Does not matter how nice some Muslims are, it's irrelevant how many Muslim mates we have, that does not alter the fundamental commands of the Quran, and not the early ones abrogated by the later violent, separatist supremacist suras. If it was a religion of peace the extremists should be extremely peaceful, and not killers over cartoons, apostasy or so called blasphemy.