Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks

[7by7]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Why are you showing quotes from people who have very little relevence to the outcome of the vote, did you forget Bob the Butchers quote or Norman the News Agent. There is only one person to take notice of, yes that's correct, our PM at the time David Cameron, he led the country and his voice counted.

And if you have any doubt that Cameron actually said we are leaving the 'Single Market' here is the proof, he said it at least 28 times!

 The quotes you dismiss are not from the people who had very little relevance to the outcome of the vote; they are from the official campaign Vote.Leave and from senior people in Vote.Leave like their co-conveners Michael Gove and Boris Johnson!

 

Another reminder; Cameron was not a campaigner for Vote.Leave. His warning was dismissed by them as Project Fear!

[welovesundaysatspace]

14 minutes ago, vogie said:

Why are you showing quotes from people who have very little relevence to the outcome of the vote,did you forget Bob the Butchers quote or Norman the News Agent.

Why are you talking about Cameron when the discussion is about the Leave Campaign? Did you forget Bob the Butchers quote or Norman the News Agent? 

Edited November 2, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Why are you talking about Cameron when the discussion is about the Leave Campaign? Did you forget Bob the Butchers quote or Norman the News Agent? 

I believe Cameron before Daniel Hannan, I'm funny that way. But if you ever admitted Cameron said such a thing you wouldn't have a leg to stand on now would you. But it must be nice for you to reminisce something that was said 5 years ago, time to face up to reality I'm afraid.

[7by7]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

I believe Cameron before Daniel Hannan, I'm funny that way. But if you ever admitted Cameron said such a thing you wouldn't have a leg to stand on now would you. But it must be nice for you to reminisce something that was said 5 years ago, time to face up to reality I'm afraid.

 Nobody is denying what Cameron said; but he was not part of the Leave campaign!

 

Why wont you admit to what Gove, Johnson and other prominent Leave campaigners said? Could it be because you would not have a leg on which to stand were you to so do?

 

I think we all know the answer to that; it's 'yes!'

 

Unless you don't and never have believed a word Gove, Johnson and the rest of the Leave campaign said!

[bannork]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

What part of Cameron saying that we will be leaving the single market don't you understand, I would have thought that someone from Manchester would understand that, unless we are holding on to something that Nigel Farage said.

 

 

 

 

 

Cameron said we would be leaving the single market if negotiations failed after 2 years. He was warning of the risks of voting Leave. 

[Mavideol]

7 minutes ago, bannork said:

Cameron said we would be leaving the single market if negotiations failed after 2 years. He was warning of the risks of voting Leave. 

all the signs were there but nobody listen, they thought, because they were the UK it was all done and done

[7by7]

7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

16 minutes ago, bannork said:

Cameron said we would be leaving the single market if negotiations failed after 2 years. He was warning of the risks of voting Leave. 

all the signs were there but nobody listen, they thought, because they were the UK it was all done and done

 Lot's of people listened, but unfortunately enough fell for Vote.Leave's "Project Fear" pony to tip the balance.

 

To be honest, in many ways that was the fault of the Remain campaign. In my opinion they concentrated too much on the negative effects of leaving and not enough on the benefits of remaining.

[vogie]

40 minutes ago, bannork said:

Cameron said we would be leaving the single market if negotiations failed after 2 years. He was warning of the risks of voting Leave. 

So well done, Cameron told the truth and the electorate acted on his words and irrespective voted to leave. No project fear there eh, unless the remainers spin it as such.

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Why are you showing quotes from people who have very little relevance to the outcome of the vote, did you forget Bob the Butchers quote or Norman the News Agent. There is only one person to take notice of, yes that's correct, our PM at the time David Cameron, he led the country and his voice counted.

And if you have any doubt that Cameron actually said we are leaving the 'Single Market' here is the proof, he said it at least 28 times!

 

 

Out of the Single Market was the Cameron promise which clinched it for me. Apart from the wasted 13 Billion contribution, the Single Market and the EU rules that come with it are what we have known for years to be the main problems.

 

If dodgy Dave was against it, then it was good enough for me. His and his predecessor's sneaky europhilic federast treaty actions were convincing enough to know that Leave was the only option. No need for any other campaigns or quotations. Just listening to Remainers lies before the vote only added to it.

[7by7]

22 minutes ago, vogie said:

So well done, Cameron told the truth and the electorate acted on his words and irrespective voted to leave. No project fear there eh, unless the remainers spin it as such.

Yes, Cameron told the truth whilst Johnson, Gove etc. in Vote.Leave lied. Well done for admitting that.

 

It's wasn't Remain who spun the "Project Fear" ballocks; it was Vote.Leave! Every time the remain campaign brought up a negative effect of leaving, Vote.Leave, having no valid argument with which to counter, chanted "Project Fear!" Unfortunately, enough people fell for it to tip the balance in favour of leaving.

[bannork]

37 minutes ago, vogie said:

So well done, Cameron told the truth and the electorate acted on his words and irrespective voted to leave. No project fear there eh, unless the remainers spin it as such.

No, the electorate acted on the lies spun by prominent Leavers that it was all gain and no pain.

[3NUMBAS]

French trawlers in OUR water!' Macron ships 'wiping out stock' as helpless fishermen quit

A FISHING boss has warned of utter devastation in his community, with dozens of fishermen being forced to hang up their nets due to an influx of French trawlers "wiping out stocks", with just weeks to go until the Brexit transition deadline.

By Laura O'Callaghan

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1354342/Brexit-news-latest-fishing-jersey-channel-islands-French-fishermen

[3NUMBAS]

Just now, 3NUMBAS said:

French trawlers in OUR water!' Macron ships 'wiping out stock' as helpless fishermen quit

A FISHING boss has warned of utter devastation in his community, with dozens of fishermen being forced to hang up their nets due to an influx of French trawlers "wiping out stocks", with just weeks to go until the Brexit transition deadline.

By Laura O'Callaghan

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1354342/Brexit-news-latest-fishing-jersey-channel-islands-French-fishermen

Don Thompson, President of the Jersey Fishermen’s Association, said half of the 132 fishermen he represents have put their boats up for sale because there is simply not enough fish left for them to catch in their local waters. Under the Bay of Granville Treaty, fishing boats from France and Jersey are allowed shared access to the island’s territorial waters – but not on the same scale.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

No, the electorate acted on the lies spun by prominent Leavers that it was all gain and no pain.

Repeating repetetive slogans will not make the pain go away, but keep saying them often enough you might even start to believe them yourself. 

ps, you don't get any more prominent than the PM Mr Cameron.

[Loiner]

Here's another reason why the UK voted for Brexit. It didn't need any campaigns to tell us that either. Who would have thought the EU was only after UK money and would always try to screw more out of us, even when Leaving??

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1354771/Brexit-news-UK-taxpayer-EU-budget-2019-latest-update

 

[7by7]

13 minutes ago, vogie said:

Repeating repetetive slogans will not make the pain go away,

True; repeating the lying slogans of Johnson, Gove and the rest of Vote.Leave won't make the pain of Brexit go away; my country will be suffering that for years to come.

 

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

but keep saying them often enough you might even start to believe them yourself. 

Well that certainly did, unfortunately, work on enough of the population to give leave the narrow victory.

 

16 minutes ago, vogie said:

 

ps, you don't get any more prominent than the PM Mr Cameron.

Which is why Vote.Leave tried to, and unfortunately succeeded in, discrediting his warning.

 

Even though you and @Loiner are now claiming that you believed Cameron's warning but still voted to leave regardless of the damage that would cause to our economy, you are in the minority of leave voters. Enough people fell for the Vote.Leave "Project Fear" mantra to swing the vote narrowly in leave's favour. 

 

[bannork]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Repeating repetetive slogans will not make the pain go away, but keep saying them often enough you might even start to believe them yourself. 

ps, you don't get any more prominent than the PM Mr Cameron.

Cameron warned the electorate but unfortunately enough folks believed the sweet promises of several leading Brexiteers.

I don't think holding the office of PM necessarily makes the holder prominent in the positive sense of the word.

 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

Even though you and @Loiner are now claiming that you believed Cameron's warning but still voted to leave regardless of the damage that would cause to our economy, you are in the minority of leave voters. Enough people fell for the Vote.Leave "Project Fear" mantra to swing the vote narrowly in leave's favour. 

 

 

Cameron promised us, multiple times that we would be out of the Single Market. Apart from the hated contribution, that's wherein lies most of the reasons we voted for Brexit. That wasn't even the sky falling in Project Fear, that's what we want.

[welovesundaysatspace]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

time to face up to reality I'm afraid.

 

Fantasy: You claiming the leave campaign did not say the UK would stay in the single market. 

Reality:

 

[vogie]

14 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Fantasy: You claiming the leave campaign did not say the UK would stay in the single market. 

Reality:

I am claiming you should listen to the organ grinder and not the monkeys. Cameron 28 times, watch and weep.????

[7by7]

49 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

Cameron promised us, multiple times that we would be out of the Single Market. Apart from the hated contribution, that's wherein lies most of the reasons we voted for Brexit. That wasn't even the sky falling in Project Fear, that's what we want.

 

No; he warned us that leaving the EU would mean leaving the single market as staying within that, assuming the EU would accept it, would also mean staying subject the FoM directive and the ECJ.

 

A warning dismissed as Project Fear by Cummings, Gove, Johnson et al; who all assured us that we would retain access to the single market after leaving the EU with no strings attached.

 

You and @vogie are just two Brexiteers; what you both now claim you believed in 2016 doesn't change the fact that the majority of leave voters believed Vote.Leave on this issue.

 

Edited November 2, 2020 by 7by7

[7by7]

22 minutes ago, vogie said:

I am claiming you should listen to the organ grinder and not the monkeys. Cameron 28 times, watch and weep.????

 I did listen to Cameron and others in the Remain campaign. That's one reason why I voted Remain.

 

Whatever you now claim for yourself; enough people ignored Cameron's warnings and instead listened to Johnson and Gove (the Vote.Leave monkeys) and Cummings (the Vote.Leave organ grinder) "Project Fear" mantra to swing the vote their way.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Nobody is denying what Cameron said; but he was not part of the Leave campaign!

 

Why wont you admit to what Gove, Johnson and other prominent Leave campaigners said? Could it be because you would not have a leg on which to stand were you to so do?

 

I think we all know the answer to that; it's 'yes!'

 

Unless you don't and never have believed a word Gove, Johnson and the rest of the Leave campaign said!

 

Cameron was not part of the Leave campaign but at least he was open about what leaving the EU meant. Everyone who had any idea about the "four pillars" had had plenty of to be aware of that. 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

No; he warned us that leaving the EU would mean leaving the single market as staying within that, assuming the EU would accept it, would also mean staying subject the FoM directive and the ECJ.

Leavers did not want the Single Market, so only in Cameron's mind was it a warning. It was all encouragement to Leavers. We still don't want it, due to the unacceptable baggage quoted above, that it brings.  That's why we voted to Leave and still want No Deal to preclude any of those EU pillars.

[vinny41]

There are Polls going back to September 2010 that indicated that 47% would leave the EU if there was a referendum on Britain's membership of the European Union, long before voteleave was formed in October 2015

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/nqf0ycudkh/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Europe-220113.pdf

 

On Wednesday morning at the start of his Vote Leave bus tour, Boris Johnson said the UK should get out of the single market but have access to it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36270203

 

Access to the single market is different from being a member of the single market

[david555]

6 hours ago, vinny41 said:

There are Polls going back to September 2010 that indicated that 47% would leave the EU if there was a referendum on Britain's membership of the European Union, long before voteleave was formed in October 2015

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/nqf0ycudkh/YG-Archives-Pol-Trackers-Europe-220113.pdf

 

On Wednesday morning at the start of his Vote Leave bus tour, Boris Johnson said the UK should get out of the single market but have access to it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36270203

 

Access to the single market is different from being a member of the single market

The " for free access to the club benefits idea " never dies apparantly ......

Keep dreaming ...???? ????

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, david555 said:

The " for free access to the club benefits idea " never dies apparantly ......

Keep dreaming ...????????

Are you referring to the EU demands that they have the same access to British Fishing waters if so yes they are dreaming

[david555]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

Are you referring to the EU demands that they have the same access to British Fishing waters if so yes they are dreaming

That's the answer to U.K.'s for 4 years "leaving " dream ....

Out means out ...remember ? ????

 

No deal is the future ????

 

[david555]

9 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Cameron was not part of the Leave campaign but at least he was open about what leaving the EU meant. Everyone who had any idea about the "four pillars" had had plenty of to be aware of that. 

Would it not be time to call him back and putting him in the driver seat again...? ???? As this present bojo does not bake anything of ALL  he tries ......

.

 

Edited November 3, 2020 by david555

[transam]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

That's the answer to U.K.'s for 4 years "leaving " dream ....

Out means out ...remember ? ????

 

No deal is the future ????

 

Sunbeam, out is the future............................