this means the French woman who was infected in quarantine who reported sick 2 days after leaving would have been spreading the Chinese Virus an extra 4 days 

 

great idea Anutin well done, your extensive medical qualifications are serving the people well 

 

Oh and who elected you ? 

13 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Dr Sopon Iamsirithaworn, director of the Disease Control Department’s Bureau of General Communicable Diseases, said on Thursday the French patient’s test did not match that of two other foreign guests at the same hotel who tested positive. He said tests showed the woman had contracted the infection 17 days earlier, which rules out the Samut Prakan hotel.

rubbish

13 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Made an edit to my post as a new article has just been put out.  They once again are changing the story...go figure.  If that is so then exactly where she picked up the virus is another Mystery.

remember that over the claimed17 days she was tested at least 3 times and then suddenly she reported symptoms on the 16th day, how convenient and also impossible based on everything known about this Chinese Virus 

Seriously if the French lady had the virus after 14 days of quarantine this only tells me she acquired it in Thailand. She became sick after a week of being released? Incubation period is 2 to 14 days so all I can say is that Thailand does indeed have covid19 in the country and Thailand is not doing nationwide testing so they can prove they're virus free. I could be wrong but it seems the simplest answer is usually the answer.

15 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Tell me how that is different, oh wait lets see they will have to adhere to the new and improved contract Tracing system which will be put in place. I see that they must also adhere to social distancing rules, avoid crowded places and wear face covering.  So they will  just watch where they go, have them check in, and then test anyone they have contact with after the fact. Sounds bulletproof to me.  It is a start, but I believe it will be a shiite show.

Well if Anutin is in charge ( he who blames DIRTY FARANGS), then it will sound a further death knell to Tourism, plus ASQ MUST be in Bangkok a more polluted place in Thailand one coul;d hope to find, if not die of Covid then die of poor air quality   

15 hours ago, Salerno said:

True ... but baby steps in the right direction.

Great for babies.

15 hours ago, Salerno said:

True ... but baby steps in the right direction.

Covid -19 doesn't care about "the right direction" other than to indiscriminately infect vulnerable people. 

 

15 hours ago, Mavideol said:

the wise one has spoken.... did he forgot that a French lady stayed in quarantine for 14 days and tested negative, a week later  travel to Kho Samui and then tested positive

Her last test in quarantine was on the 11th day so the new policy of testing after quarantine ends could be considered a safety improvement.

Why not just make the headline,

 

Thailand invites new outbreaks of virus; national lockdown expected before the New Year

 

Two things we do know:

• We know that a 14-day quarantine period will catch 99% of infections.
• We know that no quarantine will catch 0% of infections.

 

The relationship between these two points is probably not linear, but for simplicity assume that it is. Then a 10-day quarantine period will catch only around 70% of infections. It's an open-door policy towards the virus, a new outbreak and a fresh national lockdown, and I remember how much we all enjoyed that the last time.

 

In the meantime, will somebody please send Khun Anutin for some electroshock therapy, his brain clearly isn't working.

Thai quarantine is probably the most dangerous place in Thailand. Who would have thought?

16 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Disease Control Department will issue strict regulations on the new measures to monitor the quarantinees for another four days after they complete the mandatory 10-day quarantine.

Worked out well for Samut Prakarn quarantine and after that Samui... regulations were ignored.

6 hours ago, OumarhindaOunsingha said:

If this is really true, then at least it shows that the government actually wishes to get more tourists to the country. That is not a bad thing. 

Yeah UK is going back into a level 2 lock-down because of increased infections, lets invite them over here.

1 minute ago, hotchilli said:

Yeah UK is going back into a level 2 lock-down because of increased infections, lets invite them over here.

Then level 3 and then???....The Tories have really boxed themselves in on this.......if localized action still allows infections to spread what do they do?......can they really U turn again and lockdown....??? It will be the biggest U turn since poll tax.

7 minutes ago, Guderian said:

Why not just make the headline,

 

Thailand invites new outbreaks of virus; national lockdown expected before the New Year

 

Two things we do know:

• We know that a 14-day quarantine period will catch 99% of infections.
• We know that no quarantine will catch 0% of infections.

 

The relationship between these two points is probably not linear, but for simplicity assume that it is. Then a 10-day quarantine period will catch only around 70% of infections. It's an open-door policy towards the virus, a new outbreak and a fresh national lockdown, and I remember how much we all enjoyed that the last time.

 

In the meantime, will somebody please send Khun Anutin for some electroshock therapy, his brain clearly isn't working.

There's a graph for that, from Cambridge:

 

 

You are right, about 10-20% will test positive after 10 days! 

 

Even at 14 days, 1 out of 100 will test positive. I read about 4 to 10 testing positive during quarantine almost everyday. So even now, 1 will test positive after quarantine every 2 weeks, like the thai lady did.

 

So Anutin's thinking: as a new wave sweeps the world, make sure 20% get in.  Lord almighty, a concrete worker, responsible for immunology, for a Thai military government.

This is dangerous. They will let Covid back in the country and undo all the good they've done.

no a good move - see the rest of the world  with covid 19

18 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Thai quarantine is probably the most dangerous place in Thailand. Who would have thought?

 

The 2 friends I have who went through quarantine were not allowed out of their room.  Never.  Obviously, that was not the case at this ASQ hotel.

 

5 minutes ago, brucegoniners said:

This is dangerous. They will let Covid back in the country and undo all the good they've done.

 

If they do good contact tracing, it might be OK.  But for sure, flareups will happen.  Sadly, not sure there's anyway around this moving forward.  Can't stay locked up forever.

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

If they do good contact tracing, it might be OK.

...and this can work if the numbers remain relatively low......it is useless however in the situation the UK finds itself.....the system just becomes swamped.

More inane nonsense. No program that included ANY quarantine, will succeed in attracting more than a thousand or so tourists a month. That is what we adults call a "non solution". Prayuth and his fabulously incompetent and fearful administration are the problem. There are at least a dozen good reasons why he should be removed from office. 

 

Now, in this time of desperation, with your nation needing you more than ever before, where on earth are you? What have your proposed? Where are the solutions? How are you going to rescue the economy, and the millions who are out of work? Where is the meritocracy? Why are you always picking from the bottom of the barrel, when it comes to appointments? Why do you insist on people with no experience? Sheer cronyism? The nation does not need or want that nonsense. Grow up. Be a man. Behave like a man. 

 

There are countless things the government could be doing, if they wanted to attract the high quality tourists.

 

First they need to figure out a way to attract tourism, WITHOUT quarantine. That is fairly simple.

A very reliable lab based test in the home nation, with test results before you board the plane. Then a simple antigen test at the airport. It takes 15 minutes for results. Sure, Thailand would have to invest in the test kits. Some general would have to be willing to part with a few million dollars. Each test itself, only cost $5 with the new Abbott test, which is available now.

 

Then they could get on to reform. Sacrifices need to be made. I do not hear ANY discussion about what sacrifices Thailand is willing to make, to get the tourists, and that multi trillion baht cash cow back.

The very first thing would be to repeal the anti farang wine bill, that was passed by a few very corrupt senators way back when, to protect an anemic local wine industry. They are losing billions of dollars a year in revenue, that would be had from a 100% wine duty, instead of 365%. The five star hotels would have major wine events, and the entire industry would flourish here.

 

Thailand keeps droning on and on and on, about how they want wealthy tourists. Again, what sacrifices are you willing to make? Rich tourists like to spend money when they travel. And they cannot do that here, as they do not like getting taken for a ride. Most wealthy people are smart with their money. Thailand could be making a fortune on a 25% luxury tax, instead of the 100% of more, which discourages most people from buying. How many people do you see in the luxury stores here? They are almost always completely empty. Inane. Beyond inane.

16 hours ago, DrTuner said:

That's still 10 days too much.

Does the ASQ price drop accordingly?

Can someone please reduce his wages, his ability to make decisions and public appearances first? That would be more productive at this point.

Getting better for sure,In time when it is zero then I know I can return.Open for business  then happy days for everyone

The accepted incubation period of 5<14 days has been shown not be 100% valid. That it has been claimed her infection was not related to others identified in same quarantine location may be based on a differentiation in the strain of virus which  does  vary geographically. Such  details are not convenient to successful headlines !

Proposals about reducing quarantine to 10 days remain only that so far and likely aimed at "testing the wind of opinion" from official agencies  and the wider public.

The uptick of infection in most global locations which ordinarily would be a major source of tourism on any level should put paid to it becoming a reality if  common sense prevails.

Having come this  far along in minimizing the health impact at the inevitable cost to the significant tourism sector how clever would it be to invite the high probability of destroying that success?

The Thai Govt. has  enough internal issues without risking public backlash over new imported covid-19 in the  community.

If the "Authorities" desire better international PR they would do better to firstly accommodate those foreigners  who already have financial investments and assets in Thailand that they are currently effectively locked  away from while offering preferential enticements  to reluctant visitors.

It's a start. Ten days is still too long but anything less would impact on the major bucks flowing into this quarantine stuff. Seven days as in "7" would be fine and more than adequate. Antiquated thinking.

Seriously even if there is no quarantine do you really think the numbers will be high?

 

After the people who need to come back, they will realise there is no stampede and there never would have been.

 

 

2 hours ago, GeneH said:

Seriously if the French lady had the virus after 14 days of quarantine this only tells me she acquired it in Thailand. She became sick after a week of being released? Incubation period is 2 to 14 days

That's not quite true. 99% of cases have an incubation period of 14 days or less. That means in 1% of cases, the infection will show up later than that. Some cases have had incubation periods of over 20 days.

As in the UK contact tracing doesn't work, it realise on people been honest and when money is involved its not going to happen,  unless your on salary wages so paid to stop at home. PAYE. Workers are none tracable, because you were sat next to someone  on a bus and they tested positive. Never going to work.

44 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

More inane nonsense. No program that included ANY quarantine, will succeed in attracting more than a thousand or so tourists a month. That is what we adults call a "non solution". Prayuth and his fabulously incompetent and fearful administration are the problem. There are at least a dozen good reasons why he should be removed from office. 

 

Now, in this time of desperation, with your nation needing you more than ever before, where on earth are you? What have your proposed? Where are the solutions? How are you going to rescue the economy, and the millions who are out of work? Where is the meritocracy? Why are you always picking from the bottom of the barrel, when it comes to appointments? Why do you insist on people with no experience? Sheer cronyism? The nation does not need or want that nonsense. Grow up. Be a man. Behave like a man. 

 

There are countless things the government could be doing, if they wanted to attract the high quality tourists.

 

First they need I figure out a way to attract tourism, WITHOUT quarantine. That is fairly simple.

A very reliable lab based test in the home nation, with test results before you board the plane. Then a simple antigen test at the airport. It takes 15 minutes for results. Sure, Thailand would have to invest in the test kits. Some general would have to be willing to part with a few million dollars. Each test itself, only cost $5 with the new Abbott test, which is available now.

 

Then they could get on to reform. Sacrifices need to be made. I do not hear ANY discussion about what sacrifices Thailand is willing to make, to get the tourists, and that multi trillion baht cash cow back.

The very first thing would be to repeal the anti farang wine bill, that was passed by a few very corrupt senators way back when, to protect an anemic local wine industry. They are losing billions of dollars a year in revenue, that would be had from a 100% wine duty, instead of 365%. The five star hotels would have major wine events, and the entire industry would flourish here.

 

Thailand keeps droning on and on and on, about how they want wealthy tourists. Again, what sacrifices are you willing to make? Rich tourists like to spend money when they travel. And they cannot do that here, as they do not like getting taken for a ride. Most wealthy people are smart with their money. Thailand could be making a fortune on a 25% luxury tax, instead of the 100% of more, which discourages most people from buying. How many people do you see in the luxury stores here? They are almost always completely empty. Inane. Beyond inane.

Is that the same Abbot test that you have mentioned 5 or 6 times recently?

Is that the same Abbot test that Trump and the whitehouse staff have been using?

 

It does seem that the jury is out at the moment of the reliability of this test

Why Trump’s Rapid-Testing Plan Worries Scientists

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/10/do-rapid-antigen-tests-have-accuracy-problem/616681/

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Deputy Prime Minister and Public Health Ministry Anutin  Charnvirakul.

How does that moron keep his job!!!

I'm getting a little tired of this guy reminding to socially distance and wear a mask when he was doing neither when he attended a dinner at the Irish embassy in Bangkok a few weeks ago. Check out their Facebook page.