U.S. election betting odds tighten but still favour Trump over Biden

[Berkshire]

31 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Latest from Pennsylvania: Trump lead is down from 600,000 to 164,000, with 763,000 mail ballots still to be counted (overwhelmingly Democrat). So PA is now a real possibility for Biden.

Biden really only needs Nevada.  But if he wins GA and PA, that would put him at 306...the same number Trump had in 2016.  That would be glorious.  Trump needs to be stomped convincingly to shut him up. 

[onthedarkside]

A number of posts using various derogatory name calling for either of the U.S. presidential candidates have been removed.

 

Please folks... they both have real names. Refer to them by their real names, or face having your eloquent posts removed.

 

[jcsmith]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

Large crowd of "Proud Boy" types have gathered outside the Arizona count. Many openly displaying guns. Count has been stopped.

 

Only in America.

All part of Trump's Law and Order... 

[robblok]

52 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Biden really only needs Nevada.  But if he wins GA and PA, that would put him at 306...the same number Trump had in 2016.  That would be glorious.  Trump needs to be stomped convincingly to shut him up. 

Will be night time tonight before we know ? 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

As on observer who is not keyed into all things American. How likely is it to change with Biden being ahead so much. How are his chances to score an other 6 points to get to the 270 ? Is this likely to completely turn around when they go on counting votes ?

The only state left likely to go to Biden is Nevada, according to Politico. If he gets that he wins, assuming that the legal actions don't change the map.

If the legal challenges succeed it's back to anyone's guess.

 

The mail ballots are expected to mainly favour Biden, so probably no change from uncounted postal votes, unless something unexpected happens,

Edited November 5, 2020 by onthedarkside
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[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

Biden really only needs Nevada.  But if he wins GA and PA, that would put him at 306...the same number Trump had in 2016.  That would be glorious.  Trump needs to be stomped convincingly to shut him up. 

LOL. IF he loses, before he bows out in January he may do a few things like sending certain people to jail, fire Fauci, and probably pardon a few.

Then he may or may not shake Biden's hand and retire to his tower to make more money.

 

No matter what happens thereafter he can take satisfaction that he was able to put not one, not two, but three justices into SCOTUS, thereby securing his legacy for decades.

Edited November 5, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[Berkshire]

27 minutes ago, robblok said:

Will be night time tonight before we know ? 

I'm guessing by tonight (Thursday morning US) we should get a read on Nevada.  If that goes Biden (expected), then it's game over.  The remaining states can go either way and will only add to Biden's lead or make it much closer...but won't change the outcome.  

 

Unlike past elections, the loser (if Trump) will make a lot of noise and threats.  I don't think it will change the outcome, but could result in some unsavory happenings all over the US.  And yes, possibly some violence. 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

I'm guessing by tonight (Thursday morning US) we should get a read on Nevada.  If that goes Biden (expected), then it's game over.  The remaining states can go either way and will only add to Biden's lead or make it much closer...but won't change the outcome.  

 

Unlike past elections, the loser (if Trump) will make a lot of noise and threats.  I don't think it will change the outcome, but could result in some unsavory happenings all over the US.  And yes, possibly some violence. 

Yes but I'm getting nervous about Arizona. 45 could still win legitimately. The horror.

[Berkshire]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Yes but I'm getting nervous about Arizona. 45 could still win legitimately. The horror.

55555....I've read a couple of articles on the Arizona count as well.  But I take the word of the media outlets that have called that race.  Not just Fox News, but the AP as well.  I've also read that Trump called Rupert Murdoch and demanded that Fox retract but Murdoch refused. 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

55555....I've read a couple of articles on the Arizona count as well.  But I take the word of the media outlets that have called that race.  Not just Fox News, but the AP as well.  I've also read that Trump called Rupert Murdoch and demanded that Fox retract but Murdoch refused. 

Yes it shouldn't be called yet by anybody.

[soalbundy]

I find it strange that it doesn't seem possible to find a younger more dynamic man or women for the post, a new Kennedy. Biden is OK, not ideal but at least he shows statesman like qualities and has dignity. Trump just has to go, he is a dangerous megalomaniac, undignified, a liar and a cheat, His 'wall' is a farce and China is winning the tariff war while Kim danced on his nose, in Europe he is spoken of with derision.

[soalbundy]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. IF he loses, before he bows out in January he may do a few things like sending certain people to jail, fire Fauci, and probably pardon a few.

Then he may or may not shake Biden's hand and retire to his tower to make more money.

 

No matter what happens thereafter he can take satisfaction that he was able to put not one, not two, but three justices into SCOTUS, thereby securing his legacy for decades.

Now all he has to worry about is the IRS coming for him and his lost reputation.

[Jingthing]

Just now, soalbundy said:

I find it strange that it doesn't seem possible to find a younger more dynamic man or women for the post, a new Kennedy. Biden is OK, not ideal but at least he shows statesman like qualities and has dignity. Trump just has to go, he is a dangerous megalomaniac, undignified, a liar and a cheat, His 'wall' is a farce and China is winning the tariff war while Kim danced on his nose, in Europe he is spoken of with derision.

Yeah Biden isn't ideal. Nobody thinks he is. But he may be on the verge of beating.45 and we'll  never know if any of the other choices would have. Historically its extremely difficult to beat any incumbent and he's received more votes than any presidential candidate in American history. 

 

The aspirational goal for Biden is to be more of an FDR type personality, not a JFK.

[soalbundy]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah Biden isn't ideal. Nobody thinks he is. But he may be on the verge of beating.45 and we'll  never know if any of the other choices would have. Historically its extremely difficult to beat any incumbent and he's received more votes than any presidential candidate in American history. 

 

The aspirational goal for Biden is to be more of an FDR type personality, not a JFK.

I agree but what the west needs right now is a JFK.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Now all he has to worry about is the IRS coming for him and his lost reputation.

If the IRS had anything on him they'd have discovered it in the past 4 years, and it'd have been leaked IMO.

 

As for his reputation, he is in his 70s, has a shed load of money and a nice place to live in down Florida way. He can give the finger to his detractors and play golf the rest of his life, if he wants to. He doesn't even have to worry about protestors, as he will have government provided security to keep him safe rest of his life.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

I find it strange that it doesn't seem possible to find a younger more dynamic man or women for the post, a new Kennedy. Biden is OK, not ideal but at least he shows statesman like qualities and has dignity. Trump just has to go, he is a dangerous megalomaniac, undignified, a liar and a cheat, His 'wall' is a farce and China is winning the tariff war while Kim danced on his nose, in Europe he is spoken of with derision.

IMO the president at the end of the four years will be president Harris, not Biden. She got the boot in the primaries so no one's choice for president.

[Susco]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If the IRS had anything on him they'd have discovered it in the past 4 years, and it'd have been leaked IMO

Doesn't he have an audit that is ongoing for 4 years or longer?

 

I think they found something, but just wait until his immunity is removed

 

Even Deutsche Bank want to dump Trump, because he's bad news

 

Report: Deutsche Bank ‘Eager’ To Dump $340 Million In Loans To Trump Businesses After Election

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2020/11/03/deutsche-bank-eager-to-dump-340-million-in-loans-to-trump-businesses-after-election/?sh=3e656e1523c0

 

Tired of Trump, Deutsche Bank wants out but sees no good options: Sources

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/tired-of-trump-deutsche-bank-wants-out-but-sees-no-good-options-sources

Edited November 5, 2020 by Susco

[soalbundy]

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

You don't say! 

It's a rather unfair way to win an election as he has no intention of staying President at over 80. If he wins, he'll not last a year, the health problems so deviosly hidden will surface. 

He has an able vice president, main thing is that Trump is gone, everything else pails by comparison.

[Neeranam]

3 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

He has an able vice president, main thing is that Trump is gone, everything else pails by comparison.

At least you, Jingthing and other Biden supporters are admitting it now. Strange how great he was a few days ago. 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, soalbundy said:

It has been written that his debts outweigh his shed load of money. The presidency and an army of lawyers have protected him from the IRS so far, well we will see, he has lost face big time against "sleepy Joe" and that will be the biggest personal loss for "Your favorite president"

IMO he never expected to win in 2016 anyway, and he certainly seemed, to me at least, to be enjoying his time in the WH. If he loses this time he might even go for another term in 2024.

I doubt he'll be overly upset to lose and he can go back to playing golf and making deals for money if he wants. Of all the public people in the world, IMO he's the least worried about his "face". I can't see him losing sleep over it.

As for the debt, that's a problem for the accountants, and he could just sell a building or two to pay it off. It's not like he doesn't have assets.

[soalbundy]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I think it would be fair to say that but for corona Trump would have been the winner on Tuesday ( US time ) evening, and the US would have avoided a president Harris. Of course it's still possible, and some of us are hoping the unexpected happens.

 

No that isn't possible. Harris seems able and unlike Trump she really is intelligent. She doesn't have to be liked she has to be able to govern.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, soalbundy said:

No that isn't possible. Harris seems able and unlike Trump she really is intelligent. She doesn't have to be liked she has to be able to govern.

Time will tell.

If she was so great she'd have won the primaries. Instead she lost to an old white man. Says something to me.

[Jingthing]

19 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

No that isn't possible. Harris seems able and unlike Trump she really is intelligent. She doesn't have to be liked she has to be able to govern.

You're talking to someone that actually wants 45 to win. They were sold a bill of goods that Harris and even Biden are communists. You would think we've moved on from 1950s Joseph McCarthy style red baiting but 45 learning from his evil villain mentor Roy Cohn and has made red baiting great in America again.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/opinion/roy-cohn-trump.html

Edited November 5, 2020 by Jingthing

[soalbundy]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO he never expected to win in 2016 anyway, and he certainly seemed, to me at least, to be enjoying his time in the WH. If he loses this time he might even go for another term in 2024.

I doubt he'll be overly upset to lose and he can go back to playing golf and making deals for money if he wants. Of all the public people in the world, IMO he's the least worried about his "face". I can't see him losing sleep over it.

As for the debt, that's a problem for the accountants, and he could just sell a building or two to pay it off. It's not like he doesn't have assets.

His assets are more than likely underwritten by banks, Deutsche bank wants to be rid of him according to some reports but don't know how, why? is it possible that he can't pay them back and that his inflated securities aren't at all secure?

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

He has an able vice president, main thing is that Trump is gone, everything else pails by comparison.

LOL. From what other posters are saying, even if Trump is no longer president he's going to still be big on TVF world news.

Say what you will about him, he casts a very large shadow.

 

I wonder how CNN will deal with not having to talk about him all day. Might see a big drop in their ratings.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Time will tell.

If she was so great she'd have won the primaries. Instead she lost to an old white man. Says something to me.

She also lost to an Asian man who claimed to be good at math and don't forget black Spartacus also rejected. 

Biden made the cut because the established black leadership decided they know him and trust him. Black people are the most important and reliable demographic for the democrats. Now it looks likely that they will be the key to get Biden over the finish line.

 

Its also worth mentioning that Biden before now never did at all well in democratic primaries yet Obama picked him anyway and it was a wonderful partnership. 

 

So I think how Harris did in her first primary is entirely irrelevant.

Edited November 5, 2020 by Jingthing

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

His assets are more than likely underwritten by banks, Deutsche bank wants to be rid of him according to some reports but don't know how, why? is it possible that he can't pay them back and that his inflated securities aren't at all secure?

When you have some actual facts about that get back to us.

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. From what other posters are saying, even if Trump is no longer president he's going to still be big on TVF world news.

Say what you will about him, he casts a very large shadow.

 

I wonder how CNN will deal with not having to talk about him all day. Might see a big drop in their ratings.

CNN will be fine  You're just parroting 45 propaganda talking points and his bizarre obsession with media ratings. Dude. We've had enough of that noise.

[thaibeachlovers]

Looking at the results on Politico, it's noteworthy how close many of the results are . Given the pollsters saying how biggly Biden was going to win it's very interesting how they got it so wrong.

Perhaps after this polling will be consigned to the wilderness. They got it so badly wrong in 2016, and even after 4 years to sort it still managed to get it wrong.

[soalbundy]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Time will tell.

If she was so great she'd have won the primaries. Instead she lost to an old white man. Says something to me.

The general public doesn't usually vote for ability they vote for charisma, rednecks mistake rabble rousing for charisma, Hitler got away with that (he even said how stupid the average voter was) Trump was no different, he courted the rabble, he could lie to them, defame others, incite violence, his followers wore red caps instead of brown shirts, I'm sorry if Trump supporters feel insulted by this post but it is my honest opinion, I'm not trolling. Even now 'his' armed proud boys are gathering around the Arizona court house in such a threatening manner that vote counting has stopped.