UK sees goodwill for Brexit trade deal, open to 'sensible' fishing compromise

[RayC]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

I will stop to post about this Brexit and E.U. thing, I got already confused and may be more in the future.

 

But my general opinion :

 

Brexit is a past thing, it has been democrately decided.

 

Pro Brexiteers may claim how good it will be starting next year.

 

Remain voters may claim how bad the U.K. will be after Brexit.

 

It will take years before we really know the concrete outcome of Brexit.

 

Being Belgian, Belgium being a small country with no really significance in the world, I don't understand this sovereignty thing.

 

However it is my opinion, that it is used loosely, too much as an excuse, a false reason. 

 

This E.U. thing has never influenced my daily  life, me as a man of the street.

 

I don't know yet if Brexit will influence my life.

 

Many are the same as me, thus so far the E.U. is there, and we just live with it.

 

Sure if in the future it may influence negatively our daily life, dissatisfaction may rise, which can lead for some to a desire to leave the E.U..

 

 

Luke, Please keep posting. You offer a different perspective on matters.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Good job you are not a Brexiteer...imagine how confused you would have to be to vote for that???

But I am a Brexiteer and I certainly wasn't confused. I even voted back in 1975 to enter the EEC before it morphed into the monster that is now laughingly called the EU. They managed to get the E for European correct but as for the Union bit that hasn't really worked out so well.

 

3 hours ago, luckyluke said:

^

Thanks Rookiescot, I try to be objective, and express my opinion in a serene way.

I was confused in another topic, this may happen more frequently in the future,due to my age.

This will certainly be used by some here,

to claim that I am completely confused, and not know about what I speak.

I want to avoid this. 

I enjoy reading yourposts as they have no bias to either side and are interesting to read. Both leave and Remain supporters on TVF can come on a bit strong at times so it is good to read something neutral, something without insults which both sides do at times.

[sandyf]

With the UK claiming there is no intention of changing tack

 

The UK's position in Brexit trade talks will not be affected by the departure of Dominic Cummings from Downing Street, the government has said.

The announcement by cabinet minister George Eustice dashes hopes that a pledged "reset" in No.10 could steer Boris Johnson away from a no-deal at the end of the year.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-cummings-brexit-talks-no-deal-reset-b1723197.html

 

and the EU parliament lining up to reject the UK plan to breach international law

 

"Even if we do get a new trade deal negotiated on both sides, if the British government is determined to continue with their internal market bill, to reintroduce parts of that bill that were removed by the House of Lords this week, then I think this is a deal that won't be ratified by the EU," Mr Coveney told Sky News.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-eu-ireland-internal-market-bill-b1723174.html

 

the outcome is fairly predictable.

 

Next year when faced with escalating cost of living, people should try and remember who marked the ballot paper, it certainly wasn't the EU.

The best deal for the UK was the one they voted to throw away.

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Being Belgian, Belgium being a small country with no really significance in the world, I don't understand this sovereignty thing.

Good post, but being small in the EU does not equate to insignificance.

 

The EU’s hopes of signing a free-trade agreement with Canada this week are on a knife-edge after Belgium announced it could not sign the treaty because of opposition from regional parliaments.

The collapse of the negotiations in Belgium highlights the pitfalls that may await the British government when it seeks to negotiate a trade deal with the EU after Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/24/eu-trade-deal-with-canada-collapses-as-belgium-refuses-to-sign

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Good post, but being small in the EU does not equate to insignificance.

 

The EU’s hopes of signing a free-trade agreement with Canada this week are on a knife-edge after Belgium announced it could not sign the treaty because of opposition from regional parliaments.

The collapse of the negotiations in Belgium highlights the pitfalls that may await the British government when it seeks to negotiate a trade deal with the EU after Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/24/eu-trade-deal-with-canada-collapses-as-belgium-refuses-to-sign

Thought this was signed  in 2017???

[sandyf]

12 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Thought this was signed  in 2017???

The article was from 2016.

CETA although implemented has not yet been fully ratified by all member states, I think 15 so far.

Deals have to be signed before being ratified, that is the problem facing the UK, a deal has to be agreed before it can be rejected.

[Surelynot]

[Laughing Gravy]

16 hours ago, Surelynot said:

I always liked  "Australian terms".......idiots.

Australians don't have their own terms they come from British convicts in case you forgot.

[JonnyF]

17 hours ago, Surelynot said:

I always liked  "Australian terms".......idiots.

Me too. It never failed to infuriate Remainers who didn't realize that Brexiteers using the expression knew perfectly well what it meant ????.

 

Seems like it's still got legs ????.

[Mavideol]

18 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Thank you,

by the way I am Flemish, but of course I understand, read and speak French and German.

It was mandatory to know our 3 national languages, when I was young.

English is thus my 4th. language.

 

See my post here above.

Wallons, Flamands, Scots and Irish they are all Europeans, the English are a different story   555

Edited November 16, 2020 by Mavideol

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Wallons, Flamands, Scots and Irish they are all Europeans, the English are a different story   555

Not really, they all have English as their main communication language....Bet that hurts...????

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Not really, they all have English as their main communication language....Bet that hurts...????

are you telling us the Wallons Flamands Scots and Irish  ALL speak English ? you must be kidding, tell that to a Scot or to an Irish and you will be surprised with their answer 555

[transam]

Just now, Mavideol said:

are you telling us the Wallons Flamands Scots and Irish  ALL speak English ? you must be kidding, tell that to a Scot or to an Irish and you will be surprised with their answer 555

Really, even the ASEAN countries have voted to communicate in English....????

[vogie]

17 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

are you telling us the Wallons Flamands Scots and Irish  ALL speak English ? you must be kidding, tell that to a Scot or to an Irish and you will be surprised with their answer 555

That's why the SNP are putting Gaelic on all their road signs in Scotland when nobody speaks it, it just confuses everybody, they would be better putting Polish on their signs as more people in Scotland speak Polish than Gaelic. Ask a Scot if he wants a pint of heavy he would have no trouble understanding you.

[Mavideol]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

That's why the SNP are putting Gaelic on all their road signs in Scotland when nobody speaks it, it just confuses everybody, they would be better putting Polish on their signs as more people in Scotland speak Polish than Gaelic. Ask a Scot if he wants a pint of heavy he would have no trouble understanding you.

so you agree with me, Scots and Irish don't (want to) speak English, now be nice and tell that to your buddy /comrade  @transam 555

Edited November 16, 2020 by Mavideol

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

so you agree with me, Scots and Irish don't (want to) speak English, now be nice and tell that to your budy @transam 555

'Don't want to' and 'have to' are deux different things.

[transam]

24 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

so you agree with me, Scots and Irish don't (want to) speak English, now be nice and tell that to your buddy /comrade  @transam 555

Hey, but they do speak/communicate in English, just like you in EU land...????

 

Plus, "comrade" should be reserved for folk here trying to overturn democracy....????

[tebee]

Remembered that fishing industry that was going to have a new dawn under Brexit? Well, it's going to be bankrupted by Brexit instead.

 

 

[7by7]

On 11/15/2020 at 2:31 AM, transam said:

Says the guy that trashes the democratic vote of the UK populace that won the Brexit vote.... 

 If by 'trashing' you mean that I believe the result was a huge mistake; then you are correct.

 

But in a democracy it is my right to not only hold but also express that opinion.

 

On 11/15/2020 at 2:31 AM, transam said:

Get behind your country instead of backing those across the channel.......

 

I am behind my country, and hope that we can still get a trade deal with the EU. If that means expressing my opinion of where I believe this current government is going wrong, than that is my right in our democracy.

 

[transam]

9 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 If by 'trashing' you mean that I believe the result was a huge mistake; then you are correct.

 

But in a democracy it is my right to not only hold but also express that opinion.

 

 

I am behind my country, and hope that we can still get a trade deal with the EU. If that means expressing my opinion of where I believe this current government is going wrong, than that is my right in our democracy.

 

Then try posting some positive stuff regarding YOUR country moving on instead of the posting route you have taken..

PS. No, I am not going to post links....????

[transam]

11 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 If by 'trashing' you mean that I believe the result was a huge mistake; then you are correct.

 

But in a democracy it is my right to not only hold but also express that opinion.

 

 

I am behind my country, and hope that we can still get a trade deal with the EU. If that means expressing my opinion of where I believe this current government is going wrong, than that is my right in our democracy.

 

Yet you support everything the EU does or is trying to do..I take note of your emijon stuff....????

[onthedarkside]

A series of off-topic posts on drinking and drink names has been removed.

 

[7by7]

10 hours ago, transam said:

Then try posting some positive stuff regarding YOUR country moving on instead of the posting route you have taken..

 

When we know  the results of the trade negotiations with the EU then I will be able to comment on whether or not I believe those results to be positive or not.

 

Assuming, of course, that Johnson keeps his word this time and sticks to the international treaty he signs!

 

10 hours ago, transam said:

PS. No, I am not going to post links....????

You never do.

 

9 hours ago, transam said:

Yet you support everything the EU does or is trying to do..

No, I do not. Neither do I support everything Johnson's government does or tries to do. 

 

In a democracy people do not blindly follow down whichever path chosen by our leaders without question.

 

9 hours ago, transam said:

I take note of your emijon stuff....????

 No idea what you mean by this. Done a quick search and found emijon Thermoware Casserole ; but I don't see how that is relevent!

[luckyluke]

"Fishing remains a major sticking point in the talks, with the UK seeking to negotiate a greater share of its own waters.

But the EU is determined for the status quo to remain"

-Express 19th November-

 

This quote puzzle me if I read it correctly. 

 

It is suggesting that the "Fishing Problem" is not at all a sovereignty affair, but solely a mercantile one. 

 

The U.K. trying to get the higher price possible, the E.U. not wanting to pay more. 

 

Or what is the meaning of :

 

" seeking to negotiate a greater share "?