Good news about COVID-19 vaccines expected next month – Dr. Yong

[overherebc]

17 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

 

And from the full article:

 

"Dr. Yong, however, noted that the mRNA vaccine, produced by Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech, must be kept at a temperature as low as -70°C and, when it is to be administered, it must be warmed to 2-8°C and used within 4-7 days. 
As far as Thailand is concerned, he said that there is a slim chance that the country will have the facility for mass storage of a vaccine at -70oC, adding such a freezer costs as much as a car."

 

I sense first preparations already under way to create excuses for a delay of vaccination in Thailand, to keep emergency measures and closed borders legitimate longer. 

 

It should not be a big issue to keep a vaccine at the required temperatures. You just have to use dry ice (minus 79°C) or liquid Nitrogene (minus 196°C) The latter is about as cheap as milk (about 50 Baht per liter), and easily available everywhere in Thailand. It can be transported in every Thermos bottle. Dry ice should be available as easily, given the big food industry in Thailand.

 

So, why exactly is Yong again staring his biased messages? Working at a university, he should know these facts very well. Rhetorical question, of course. It's quite clear that he acts more as a mouthpiece of the junta than as a scientist, when it is about Covid.

 

 

Given time this Wuhuflu will mutate and become standard flu or something worse. The vaccine(s) will be the same as the yearly flu shots.

Just hurry up and wait. ????

[sezze]

4 hours ago, balo said:

Remember that the new vaccine from Pfizer is a genetically engineered vaccine,  first time in the history to be mass produced. It can easily be produced in a lab, no virus needed. It's just a genetic code. 

Are you ready for this ?   Some scientists talk about autoimmune diseases as a side effect, but it could take years to find out how it will affect your body. 
 

You are right about that vaccine , it is a new kind of developed vaccines . You can say that about the Moderna vaccine they testing also . You cannot say that about the AstraZeneca 1 , since that technique is used before , using a carrier virus to drop in the covid-19  , so our body can remember it and fight it . If that means , you take a vaccine on existing practice , i think i can understand that . There are at least 50 different types of vaccines being developed and tested , a few being in the lead , since they were faster , but it does not mean they are better , or not fall out in phase 3 tests .

Again phase 3 test is the most extensive , real live test you can have . Requiring all kinds of persons , including old , children , previous illness , to see if a vaccine is safe , and does work on all groups . It is a double blind test , meaning there is a control group which does get the same injection , but it has got nothing inside , so you can follow up on the grade of protection . The follow up , is only known when putting all the numbers together , meaning person B did get nr 45001 of vaccine , checking the numbers says , oh that was a real vaccine , or no this was a saline solution .

[cdemundo]

19 hours ago, gillap said:

How is it they suddenly have a vaccine for covid-19...a VIRUS apparently with many strains ...and they don't have a vaccine for AIDS yet! Makes one wonder...right? I will NOT be getting this vaccine if I have a choice...!

How bout that man on the moon <deleted>, you believe that.

[Jeffro008]

22 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

According to the article > This prototype is now being tested on macaques.

But I doubt whether these volunteered. ????

People in Jail maybe

[shdmn]

3 hours ago, cdemundo said:

How bout that man on the moon <deleted>, you believe that.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.  You might give them a headache.  Start with an easier one like if they believe the earth is round or flat.

Edited November 15, 2020 by shdmn

[kiwikeith]

On 11/14/2020 at 4:18 PM, Truth Will Set You Free said:

 

So, there have been volunteers in Thailand? What age group? 

Any information you require about vaccine trials is held by Mr Prayut and Mr Dhanin of CP group 

[scorecard]

21 hours ago, cdemundo said:

How bout that man on the moon <deleted>, you believe that.

NO, but an old farang in my village loves conspiracies is convinced (says he has proof but cannot reveal it because our village would be bombed off the face of the earth) that every non-chinese that enters China is whisked away be be shot or poisoned to death same day and no records kept.

 

He's 80 years old, never been outside of Australia, never been more than 100 km outside of greater Sydney area.

 

He's also convinced that China manufactured Covid 19 in a lab. then produced massive quantities, then on same day early Jan 2020 thousands of chines flew to every country in the world with several suitcases full of bottles of the virus, then they walked around every city splashing the virus everywhere then ran back to the airport and flew back to China.

 

Other village folks have pointed out numerous holes in his story but he says they don't know they have been brainwashed to not believe.  

 

Takes all kinds.

[Catoni]

On 11/14/2020 at 4:32 AM, teacherclaire said:

Please keep all your vaccination for yourself. 

 

  If they work for monkeys, they might not work for us.

 

  But what do I know? I just don't want an vaccination. 

Maybe you don’t know very much.

   We know of all kinds of vaccines that work for us. We even got rid of Smallpox. Vaccines save millions and millions of lives each year. How often do you hear about Polio anymore?  How about Tuberculosis?  You hardly hear about Measles or Rubella or Rotavirus or Tetanus anymore.... all diseases that vaccines prevent. There are others.... 
   Before vaccines for those diseases.. you heard about them all the time. 
The fact that most people get vaccinated against those diseases.. even protects the few that don’t get vaccinated... through Herd Immunity. With most people vaccinated and immune... there are many less people for the viruses to spread in the community. 
    If you’re bitten by an animal with Rabies..... once the symptoms show.. it’s too late. You WILL die.. and it will not be an easy peaceful death.  It’s one of the most horrible suffering ways to die. 
     You better hope there is vaccine for you before symptoms start, because Rabies vaccine and Human Rabies Immune Globulin (HRIG) will be the only way to save you. (You won’t need the HRIG if you’ve had three Pre-exposure Rabies vaccine shots)
    But.... some people are against all needles of any kind.

Phobia about needles....extreme fear of medical procedures involving injections and hypodermic syringes (needles) is called “Trypanophobia”. It’s a mental condition that can be treated. There is help available.

Edited November 16, 2020 by Catoni
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[Catoni]

13 hours ago, scorecard said:

NO, but an old farang in my village loves conspiracies is convinced (says he has proof but cannot reveal it because our village would be bombed off the face of the earth) that every non-chinese that enters China is whisked away be be shot or poisoned to death same day and no records kept.

 

He's 80 years old, never been outside of Australia, never been more than 100 km outside of greater Sydney area.

 

He's also convinced that China manufactured Covid 19 in a lab. then produced massive quantities, then on same day early Jan 2020 thousands of chines flew to every country in the world with several suitcases full of bottles of the virus, then they walked around every city splashing the virus everywhere then ran back to the airport and flew back to China.

 

Other village folks have pointed out numerous holes in his story but he says they don't know they have been brainwashed to not believe.  

 

Takes all kinds.

Curious people want to know:

   How can he be both an 80 year old farang living in a Thai village.... yet never been more than 100 kilometres from Sydney Australia .....at the same time? 

[Catoni]

On 11/14/2020 at 9:24 AM, shdmn said:

They are welcome to test it on me.  It's already been tested on tens of thousands of people so I have no problem taking it.

 

  You’re not alone. I will take the Covid vaccine also. As long as it’s a U.S, or European vaccine.  
    For some reason.... I will not trust a Chinese vaccine.  Nothing against the wonderful Chinese people. It’s the communist government I don’t trust. 

[scorecard]

42 minutes ago, Catoni said:

Curious people want to know:

   How can he be both an 80 year old farang living in a Thai village.... yet never been more than 100 kilometres from Sydney Australia .....at the same time? 

I wrote "NO, but an old farang in my village loves conspiracies...

I didn't mention Thai village.

He lives in a village just North of Sydney, where I also currently live.

Edited November 16, 2020 by scorecard

[Selatan]

4 hours ago, Catoni said:

  You’re not alone. I will take the Covid vaccine also. As long as it’s a U.S, or European vaccine.  
    For some reason.... I will not trust a Chinese vaccine.  Nothing against the wonderful Chinese people. It’s the communist government I don’t trust. 

Glad to hear that you would not take a Chinese vaccine. More opportunities for me to take it instead because of expected production bottlenecks.

China has 3 inactivated vaccine candidates in final Phase III testing (Sinopharm:2, Sinovac:1). Inactivated vaccines are the safest vaccines. Most of the vaccines that we all have taken as kids are inactivated vaccines.

 

Inactivated vaccine

All the European, American and Russian Covid-19 vaccine candidates currently in Phase III are either using live virus vectors or some experimental methods such as mRNA fragments. RNA methods have the risks of causing autoimmune problems, something you would know until months or years later if the vaccines are hurriedly approved.

Vaccine Candidates
 

[Catoni]

17 hours ago, Selatan said:

Glad to hear that you would not take a Chinese vaccine. More opportunities for me to take it instead because of expected production bottlenecks.

China has 3 inactivated vaccine candidates in final Phase III testing (Sinopharm:2, Sinovac:1). Inactivated vaccines are the safest vaccines. Most of the vaccines that we all have taken as kids are inactivated vaccines.

 

Inactivated vaccine

All the European, American and Russian Covid-19 vaccine candidates currently in Phase III are either using live virus vectors or some experimental methods such as mRNA fragments. RNA methods have the risks of causing autoimmune problems, something you would know until months or years later if the vaccines are hurriedly approved.

Vaccine Candidates
 

mRNA treatment is nothing new, having been used in cancer treatment for quite some time now. Not to mention every time you eat especially meat or fish, you’re taking in DNA and RNA that is not yours own.

    Every time you breath, you’re taking in other micro organism’s DNA and RNA and mRNA.  
An inactivated vaccine has the live organism....it has just been treated in such a way that it can’t actually give you the disease anymore.  The organism still has it’s RNA and DNA.

       I don’t trust any government very much. But one party dictatorships are the last government I would trust.

    If you trust the Chinese Communist Party vaccines after what they’ve done in the past couple years ..... well......good luck. 
   Pfizer’s vaccine has now been shown to have an effectiveness of 90%,  Moderna’s even higher at 94.5%.    This is way better than we had hoped for.  
   That’s almost as good an effectiveness as the Shingrix  Shingles vaccine.
   Governments were willing to declare a Covid vaccine with 50% or better to be effective and useful. 
   Moderna and Pfizer are western companies.  
         I don’t have 100% trust in anything except that I have to pay taxes and that someday I’ll die.

   But I’ll trust Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines before I’ll trust vaccines developed under the control of the Chinese Communist Party. I won’t take a Communist Covid vaccine. 

Edited November 17, 2020 by Catoni
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[Catoni]

22 hours ago, scorecard said:

I wrote "NO, but an old farang in my village loves conspiracies...

I didn't mention Thai village.

He lives in a village just North of Sydney, where I also currently live.

Oh...okay...  my error.

Edited November 17, 2020 by Catoni
Correction

[Selatan]

8 hours ago, Catoni said:

mRNA treatment is nothing new, having been used in cancer treatment for quite some time now. Not to mention every time you eat especially meat or fish, you’re taking in DNA and RNA that is not yours own.

    Every time you breath, you’re taking in other micro organism’s DNA and RNA and mRNA.  
An inactivated vaccine has the live organism....it has just been treated in such a way that it can’t actually give you the disease anymore.  The organism still has it’s RNA and DNA.

       I don’t trust any government very much. But one party dictatorships are the last government I would trust.

    If you trust the Chinese Communist Party vaccines after what they’ve done in the past couple years ..... well......good luck. 
   Pfizer’s vaccine has now been shown to have an effectiveness of 90%,  Moderna’s even higher at 94.5%.    This is way better than we had hoped for.  
   That’s almost as good an effectiveness as the Shingrix  Shingles vaccine.
   Governments were willing to declare a Covid vaccine with 50% or better to be effective and useful. 
   Moderna and Pfizer are western companies.  
         I don’t have 100% trust in anything except that I have to pay taxes and that someday I’ll die.

   But I’ll trust Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines before I’ll trust vaccines developed under the control of the Chinese Communist Party. I won’t take a Communist Covid vaccine. 

And yet not a single mRNA vaccine has ever been approved so far because of all sorts of concerns. Zero track record compared to the very long track record of inactivated vaccines.

Like I have said, more chance for me to get the Chinese vaccine if you distrust any vaccine from China. 

Oh, by the way, Sinopharm's vaccine, on second dose, is 97.4% effective. The company doesn't have to brag about it too much because it is a state-owned company, not some publicly-listed company that is hyping to push up its share prices. United Arab Emirates have approved it for emergency use and many of its cabinet members have taken it, including the prime minister. Tens of thousands of Chinese on overseas posting have taken it. The Huawei office in Mexico has 91 workers and 80 of them were vaccinated. There was an outbreak in that office - all the vaccinated ones didn't get infected. The 10 that got infected were not vaccinated.

If you distrust Chinese products so much, make sure not to take any medicines in the future. You may think some of your medicines come from countries such as India, but...

China supplies over 80% of pharma raw materials

[Catoni]

9 hours ago, Selatan said:

And yet not a single mRNA vaccine has ever been approved so far because of all sorts of concerns. Zero track record compared to the very long track record of inactivated vaccines.

Like I have said, more chance for me to get the Chinese vaccine if you distrust any vaccine from China. 

Oh, by the way, Sinopharm's vaccine, on second dose, is 97.4% effective. The company doesn't have to brag about it too much because it is a state-owned company, not some publicly-listed company that is hyping to push up its share prices. United Arab Emirates have approved it for emergency use and many of its cabinet members have taken it, including the prime minister. Tens of thousands of Chinese on overseas posting have taken it. The Huawei office in Mexico has 91 workers and 80 of them were vaccinated. There was an outbreak in that office - all the vaccinated ones didn't get infected. The 10 that got infected were not vaccinated.

If you distrust Chinese products so much, make sure not to take any medicines in the future. You may think some of your medicines come from countries such as India, but...

China supplies over 80% of pharma raw materials

   Don’t worry.. the mRNA vaccines will be approved. And they can be trusted more than the Communists can be trusted.

   I avoid medicines from China whenever possible. I hate the Chinese communist government. Remember Tiananmen Square Massacre 1989, remember the mass killings genocide of the “Great Leap Forward”, the ongoing threats to Taiwan, the crushing of the freedom of the Hong Kong people. The nightmare of invasion and subjugation of Tibet.  And the lies when Covid first came out. The arrests of Chinese doctors in Wuhan who tried to warn the world.
   Funny that the virus came from the only city in China with Level 4 Biolabs And the only labs in China studying Horseshoe bat corona viruses.   “But the virus came from the wet market.”   Sure it did, ha, ha, ha. 
 Remember that the Chinese government stopped internal travel, while allowing tens of thousands to fly out of Wuhan to points around the world. 
  The Chinese Communist government has literally slaughtered tens of millions of its own people as well as others. 
    You trust the Chinese Communist government?  Interesting....Good for you. Have a great day.  I understand that a lot of people these days love Socialism/Marxism. Twisted. 
Personally, I hate all forms of totalitarian dictatorships. And I CERTAINLY don’t trust them. 

[Selatan]

4 minutes ago, Catoni said:

   Don’t worry.. the mRNA vaccines will be approved. And they can be trusted more than the Communists can be trusted.

   I avoid medicines from China whenever possible. I hate the Chinese communist government. Remember Tiananmen Square Massacre 1989, remember the mass killings genocide of the “Great Leap Forward”, the ongoing threats to Taiwan, the crushing of the freedom of the Hong Kong people. The nightmare of invasion and subjugation of Tibet.  And the lies when Covid first came out. The arrests of Chinese doctors in Wuhan who tried to warn the world.
   Funny that the virus came from the only city in China with Level 4 Biolabs And the only labs in China studying Horseshoe bat corona viruses.   “But the virus came from the wet market.”   Sure it did, ha, ha, ha. 
 Remember that the Chinese government stopped internal travel, while allowing tens of thousands to fly out of Wuhan to points around the world. 
  The Chinese Communist government has literally slaughtered tens of millions of its own people as well as others. 
    You trust the Chinese Communist government?  Interesting....Good for you. Have a great day.  I understand that a lot of people these days love Socialism/Marxism. Twisted. 
Personally, I hate all forms of totalitarian dictatorships. And I CERTAINLY don’t trust them. 

Avoid medicines from China whenever possible? What a joke. The medicine may be from Thailand, US, Europe or India. But the active ingredient is very likely from China. A pill may contain all sorts of bulking agents, colouring, flavouring, etc. but the most important is the active ingredient. So stop taking all medicines just to be sure.

Also, the Great Leap Forward was not a genocide. English is not my first language but I understand that term correctly.

[ShindenGo]

Would you trust a vaccine developed under the Trump administration who bypassed hundreds of laws and regulations to “warp speed” a vaccine out???

 

I probably won’t. Hopefully President Joe will force them back to the drawling boards it do it the right way

[PGSan]

On 11/15/2020 at 3:54 AM, VocalNeal said:

 

Order a large take away Blizzard from Dairy Queen and they pack it with dry ice!

I get some dry ice with just a tub or two bought from Swensens!

Edited November 18, 2020 by PGSan
misspelling

[overherebc]

News from UK now is that Pfizer are claiming 94% success with their vaccine and it is also 94% effective in over 65's.

Als claiming it's ready for the approval process.

Edited November 18, 2020 by overherebc

[Catoni]

16 hours ago, ShindenGo said:

Would you trust a vaccine developed under the Trump administration who bypassed hundreds of laws and regulations to “warp speed” a vaccine out???

 

I probably won’t. Hopefully President Joe will force them back to the drawling boards it do it the right way

The only laws avoided were unnecessary ones that put roadblocks in the way. Operation Warp Speed invested billions and billions of dollars to use the latest advanced technologies, and techniques and to hire the worlds top scientists and virologists and labs and safety checks and testing.  
And they are far more open to investigation and less secretive than any lab and system controlled by the Chinese Communist Government. 
 
   Put it this way...l do not totally trust any government, including Trump’s government.  
   But there are governments that I trust even much less than Trump’s government. 
 

So no, I don’t totally trust Trump’s government and Operation Warp Speed.
     But I trust the Chinese Communist Party and their virology labs and vaccines even much much less.....

 

  I will trust Trump’s government and Operation Warp Speed vaccines long, long before I will trust the Chinese Communist Government and their vaccines.

Edited November 19, 2020 by Catoni
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[Catoni]

17 hours ago, ShindenGo said:

Would you trust a vaccine developed under the Trump administration who bypassed hundreds of laws and regulations to “warp speed” a vaccine out???

 

I probably won’t. Hopefully President Joe will force them back to the drawling boards it do it the right way

   I don’t totally trust the Trump administration and “warp speed” vaccines.

 

   But trust the Chinese Communist Party and their vaccines even less.
 

     I’ll take the warp speed vaccines of Pfizer or Moderna before I’ll take the Chinese Communist Party vaccines. 

 

  As for President Joe...... President Joe will be obeying comrades Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, and A.O.C. and the Socialist/Marxist squad and helping with the upcoming “Great Reset” and Agenda 21/30.

Edited November 19, 2020 by Catoni
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[teacherofwoe]

21 hours ago, overherebc said:

News from UK now is that Pfizer are claiming 94% success with their vaccine and it is also 94% effective in over 65's.

Als claiming it's ready for the approval process.

So that's less successful than the human immune system then which has over 99% effectiveness for all age groups.

[overherebc]

2 hours ago, teacherofwoe said:

So that's less successful than the human immune system then which has over 99% effectiveness for all age groups.

????

[mark131v]

Some interesting stuff being developed in the UK essentially traps the virus and stops it being spread, just proves what we are capable of when we try...

 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-university-of-birmingham-develops-nasal-spray-that-protects-against-coronavirus-and-prevents-transmission-12136189

 

A nasal spray purportedly capable of preventing infection from coronavirus, as well as stopping people from infecting others, has been developed by researchers at the University of Birmingham.

 

According to the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, it catches and coats the virus inside the nose, from where it can be eliminated by either nose-blowing or swallowing.

 

As the virus is encapsulated in the spray, it is prevented from being taken-up by the body, so if any virus particles are passed on to another person via a sneeze or cough, that person is less likely to be infected by active virus particles, researchers say.

[Flying Saucage]

34 minutes ago, mark131v said:

Some interesting stuff being developed in the UK essentially traps the virus and stops it being spread, just proves what we are capable of when we try...

 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-university-of-birmingham-develops-nasal-spray-that-protects-against-coronavirus-and-prevents-transmission-12136189

 

A nasal spray purportedly capable of preventing infection from coronavirus, as well as stopping people from infecting others, has been developed by researchers at the University of Birmingham.

 

According to the study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, it catches and coats the virus inside the nose, from where it can be eliminated by either nose-blowing or swallowing.

 

As the virus is encapsulated in the spray, it is prevented from being taken-up by the body, so if any virus particles are passed on to another person via a sneeze or cough, that person is less likely to be infected by active virus particles, researchers say.

 

Even if this works in the rest of the world, it will not work in Thailand. I see these two "experts" Yong and Thira already popping up again and telling the people that the virus also can be collected rectally, and that the borders therefore must kept closed for another three years to protect the nation and its vulnarable and pure people against us dirty foreigners.

 

 

[mark131v]

3 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said:

 

Even if this works in the rest of the world, it will not work in Thailand. I see these two "experts" Yong and Thira already popping up again and telling the people that the virus also can be collected rectally, and that the borders therefore must kept closed for another three years to protect the nation and its vulnarable and pure people against us dirty foreigners.

 

 

 

No mention of if it works rectally but the junta mouthpieces would find other reasons to keep the great unwashed out!!!

 

Does sound interesting though and seeing as it is uses existing already widely available ingredients might be a viable short term option whilst awaiting the vaccine, would imagine it would also work on other airborne virus'

 

From the report:

 

Cell-culture laboratory experiments showed the spray prevented infection for up to 48 hours.

 

Researchers say regular application of the spray could significantly reduce disease transmission, and believe it could be particularly useful in areas where crowding is less avoidable, such as on flights or in classrooms.

[Flying Saucage]

14 minutes ago, mark131v said:

 

No mention of if it works rectally but the junta mouthpieces would find other reasons to keep the great unwashed out!!!

 

Does sound interesting though and seeing as it is uses existing already widely available ingredients might be a viable short term option whilst awaiting the vaccine, would imagine it would also work on other airborne virus'

 

From the report:

 

Cell-culture laboratory experiments showed the spray prevented infection for up to 48 hours.

 

Researchers say regular application of the spray could significantly reduce disease transmission, and believe it could be particularly useful in areas where crowding is less avoidable, such as on flights or in classrooms.

 

Would be a quite acceptable way to rescue the tourism industry indeed:

 

Open the borders, ask the people who arrive for a negative test, and then ask them for a mandatory spray application in a pharmacy every second day. Not a big issue. Sounds not too bad. 

 

But, this is not what the government really wants, of course. They want to get rid of us Western visitors, and they want to sell the bankrupt tourism industry to their Chinese friends and to some of their superrich buddies in the elite. 

 

[mark131v]

2 minutes ago, Flying Saucage said:

Open the borders, ask the people who arrive for a negative test, and then ask them for a mandatory spray application in a pharmacy every second day. Not a big issue. Sounds not too bad.

 

Hadn't even thought of that but yeah that would work, you've just saved Thai tourism!!! 

 

Your right though the powers that be want to turn back the clock and don't want western tourist's, they are loving covid, it's an absolute gift for them...