Biden says UK border with Ireland must be open

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, kingdong said:

No the scorn and contempt remainers use as a cheap shot to try to insult anyone who brings up the sacrifices made by britain.

I support remain, I have nothing but admiration and gratitude for the sacrifices and service of the millions of people who, in WWII, fought to defeat fascism.

I have nothing but contempt for those claim credit for the sacrifice those people made.

I have never seen a ‘remainer’ claim credit for those sacrifices, I frequently see ’Brexiteers’ do so and when I do I always challenge their claims.

 

 

Edited November 28, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

No the scorn and contempt remainers use as a cheap shot to try to insult anyone who brings up the sacrifices made by britain.

So your post is a work of fiction then? My father served in the British Airborne in WW2. I can assure you he didn't do it because he would "like" to do it, he did it out of a sense of doing what's right and he wasn't even British. I can assure you that you were lucky that you were too young to serve. Not fun.

[kingdong]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

No-one on here has belittled the sacrifice the UK made but we dont try and leech off it. 

Or insult it

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

No i proved my patriotism by voting for brexit.

So you proved your patriotism by voting for something which will massively damage the UK economy.

Wow.

[Dumbastheycome]

Just now, kingdong said:

Or insult it

Not even if there is  some implication that  "Britain" would not have been overwhelmed if it ha stood  alone?

 

 

[Sujo]

5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Or insult it

Those that serve but dont agree with u are wrong? How odd.

[kingdong]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I support remain, I have nothing but admiration and gratitude for the sacrifices and service of the millions of people who, in WWII, fought to defeat fascism.

I have nothing but contempt for those claim credit for the sacrifice those people made.

I have never seen a ‘remainer’ claim credit for those sacrifices, I frequently see ’Brexiteers’ do so and when I do I always challenge their claims.

 

 

How can anyone" claim credit " for events they weren,t party to?the fact " they" are merely reminding you of  the actions of dying for freedom that remainers want to give away seems to anger remainers as they are unable to address them so they resort to cheap insults.and as for your last point how can a remainer " claim credit for these sacrifices? "Whenthey want to live in servitude?.

[CG1 Blue]

40 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Meanwhile, getting back to the topic of discussion, the President Elect of the US is instructing the U.K. on what border it may put in place between the U.K. and the Irish Republic.

 

How’s that for sovereignty?!

How's that for sovereignty? So the UK government has said we will do what Biden wants us to do? Where did you see this breaking news? 

Oh wait, you're just making it up. Please add a caveat when you tell porkies. 

[polpott]

Just now, kingdong said:

These colours don,t run,????????????

Pure white usually doesn't,

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

. I can assure you he didn't do it because he would "like" to do it, he did it out of a sense of doing what's right 

So he wasn,t conscripted then?

[kingdong]

21 minutes ago, polpott said:

You claimed that you "served". A stolen valour Brexiteer? That'd be about right.

Stoen valour brexiteer?????????whats that supposed to mean?????

[vogie]

15 minutes ago, polpott said:

If you don't know what "stolen valour" means, you clearly have never served. Nothing annoys true servicemen more.

Stolen valour is an American expression, the British use the terminology 'Walt' from Walter Mitty.

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2 hours ago, vogie said:

Talk about being hypocrites, you don't like posters mentioning WW2 yet it is you that is talking about it.????????????????????????

Incidentally could you have a word with your side about bringing the British Empire into debates, you would have to be 300 year old to remember that.

These Brexit threads are littered with Brexiters likening resistance to Brexit to resistance to the Nazis. Such nonsense.

As for the British Empire, I thought I remembered places like Kenya and Rhodesia being in the news in the 2nd half of the 20th century. I guess I was mistaken. And didn't Britain pull out of India shortly after WW2, much to Churchill's chagrin? Or did all that happen 300 years ago?

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I don't know if anyone has seen the show called the Man in the High Tower. It's a series about what would have happened if the Nazis won and had conquered the UK. I hear that they're thinking of doing an even more disturbing series about what would have happened if the UK had voted against Brexit. Oh the horror!!

[CharlieH]

Petty bickering removed. Stay on the actual topic please.

[CorpusChristie]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

These Brexit threads are littered with Brexiters likening resistance to Brexit to resistance to the Nazis. Such nonsense.

As for the British Empire, I thought I remembered places like Kenya and Rhodesia being in the news in the 2nd half of the 20th century. I guess I was mistaken. And didn't Britain pull out of India shortly after WW2, much to Churchill's chagrin? Or did all that happen 300 years ago?

 

   It was suggested that the UK would begin trying to build an Empire , it was pointed out that that kind of mentality is a 300 year old mentality and theres absolutely no chance of it happening again 

[Phulublub]

5 hours ago, kingdong said:

Who nows who cares,certainly not me,my  question was,was barnier democratically elected, a simple enough request which you couldn,t address so you answered a question with a question.

 

No, he wasn't.  Similar to many employed persons engaged by those who were elected to manage affairs on behalf of their constituents. 

 

Did you have a point other than more whinging?

 

PH

[Phulublub]

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

Whos " claiming credit "? Its obvious by their actions that remainers have no respect for the sacrifices made it that conflict,

Utter horse manure. 

 

Perhaps you should research the origins of the precursor to the EU that was started precisely to try and ensure such a European conflict never took place again.

 

PH

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, Phulublub said:

Utter horse manure. 

 

Perhaps you should research the origins of the precursor to the EU that was started precisely to try and ensure such a European conflict never took place again.

 

PH

What the marshall plan?albeit started under the ruse of "the common market" which morphed into the eu?

[Phulublub]

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

No the scorn and contempt remainers use as a cheap shot to try to insult anyone who brings up the sacrifices made by britain.

 

Got off your self indulgent moral high horse.

 

To think Brexit is totally and monumentally stupid does not make me, or anyone else, a non-pariot or denigrate what we think of those (parents and grandparents for most of us) who were alive at that time and in the immediate aftermath.

 

PH

[Phulublub]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

What the marshall plan?albeit started under the ruse of "the common market" which morphed into the eu?

Try again. Preferably with facts. 

 

PH

[Scott]

Troll post reported and removed.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, kingdong said:

How can anyone" claim credit " for events they weren,t party to?the fact " they" are merely reminding you of  the actions of dying for freedom that remainers want to give away seems to anger remainers as they are unable to address them so they resort to cheap insults.and as for your last point how can a remainer " claim credit for these sacrifices? "Whenthey want to live in servitude?.

Your whole argument is predicated on the false claim that, as a member of the EU the UK is in some form of servitude.

 

While back on topic the President Elect of the US is telling the UK what border arrangements are acceptable between the UK and Ireland.

 

That’s a very strange form of ‘freedom’ and ‘sovereignty’.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[polpott]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your whole argument is predicated on the false claim that, as a member of the EU the UK is in some form of servitude.

Ask a European and they will say the opposite. UK was seen as a very demanding member who went against the grain and always got their way.

 

Did we adopt the Euro? Did we take in even one of Merkel's millions? Did we get a rebate that persists to this day?

 

Here's some of the deals Cameron negotiated shortly before we voted to leave the EU:

 

Sovereignty.

 

Allowing Britain to opt out from the EU's founding ambition to forge an "ever closer union" of the peoples of Europe so it will not be drawn into further political integration in a "formal, legally binding and irreversible way". Giving greater powers to national parliaments to block EU legislation.

 

Migrants and welfare benefits

 

The UK government has already reached an agreement on out-of-work benefits. Newly arrived EU migrants are banned from claiming jobseeker's allowance for three months. If they have not found a job within six months they will be required to leave. 

 

The Council would authorise that Member State to limit the access of newly arriving EU workers to non-contributory in-work benefits for a total period of up to four years from the commencement of employment. The limitation should be graduated, from an initial complete exclusion but gradually increasing access to such benefits to take account of the growing connection of the worker with the labour market of the host Member State. The authorisation would have a limited duration and apply to EU workers newly arriving during a period of 7 years.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

 

I think the EU will be glad to see the back of us.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2020 by polpott

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your whole argument is predicated on the false claim that, as a member of the EU the UK is in some form of servitude.

 

While back on topic the President Elect of the US is telling the UK what border arrangements are acceptable between the UK and Ireland.

 

That’s a very strange form of ‘freedom’ and ‘sovereignty’.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Soapy joe can ask all he likes this is a matter between eire and uk,think you,ll find joe will have his hands full with civil unrest,perhaps while hes on the phone the uk should tell him to pull finger on his usa - mexico fence.anyway see the natives are a bit restless in paris,looks like 2021 will be interesting.

[Chomper Higgot]

29 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Soapy joe can ask all he likes this is a matter between eire and uk,think you,ll find joe will have his hands full with civil unrest,perhaps while hes on the phone the uk should tell him to pull finger on his usa - mexico fence.anyway see the natives are a bit restless in paris,looks like 2021 will be interesting.

Doesn’t change the fact that the UK needs a trade deal with the US and will do as President Elect Biden requires.

 

2021 will indeed be an interesting year, the caravan rightwing nationalists have lost their poster boy.

 

 

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Doesn’t change the fact that the UK needs a trade deal with the US and will do as President Elect Biden requires.

 

2021 will indeed be an interesting year, the caravan rightwing nationalists have lost their poster boy.

 

 

Perhaps we,d be better off looking to Australia now the Chinese are playing up,as for soapy joe what ever will be will be,quite frankly with all thats going on globally brexit will be right at the bottom of the pile of problems.

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57 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Perhaps we,d be better off looking to Australia now the Chinese are playing up,as for soapy joe what ever will be will be,quite frankly with all thats going on globally brexit will be right at the bottom of the pile of problems.

I'm sure Australia will be delighted to provide all the coal to the UK that China no longer requires.

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[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

Perhaps we,d be better off looking to Australia now the Chinese are playing up,as for soapy joe what ever will be will be,quite frankly with all thats going on globally brexit will be right at the bottom of the pile of problems.

Brexit decay in stages:

 

Easy deal with the EU which becomes, we don’t need a deal with the EU, we’ll get a favorable deal with America which now becomes, perhaps we’ll get a deal with Australia.

 

 

[bkkcanuck8]

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

Soapy joe can ask all he likes this is a matter between eire and uk,think you,ll find joe will have his hands full with civil unrest,perhaps while hes on the phone the uk should tell him to pull finger on his usa - mexico fence.anyway see the natives are a bit restless in paris,looks like 2021 will be interesting.

No, it is no longer an internal matter as the Good Friday Agreement et al is an international treaty where the United States is a guarantor.  This treaty was passed by substantial majorities by both of the Ireland.  It also binds the UK government to the terms of the agreement.  Breaking the terms of the agreement means breaking treaties with all the guarantors, Ireland, etc.  and should result in some form of sanctions.