Trump stumps in Georgia for two Republican candidates while pressing vote fraud claims

[Tippaporn]

12 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Would dozens of lawsuits insisting that the earth is flat actually make the earth flat?

 

We don't have the time or means to personally review and fact check every charge against the election.  We let the courts do that.  So far the courts have been rejecting these legal challenges for lack of evidence.  Let us know if that changes.

Your first question is an inapt and inept analogy.

 

You have as much time as anyone to review the charges.  Given the seriousness and the dire implications of the charges it would be irresponsible not to investigate on your own.  A nation of the people, by the people and for the people demands it's citizenry is properly informed.  Or at least interested in what the truth might be.  My advice is to rely on one's own sensibilities rather than to relegate them indiscriminately to others.

[J Town]

17 hours ago, riclag said:

 

 The POTUS hasn't conceded !My countries Presidential election is still being contested in the courts!  Mr. Trump is very confident that he will  have another 4 years !  Looking forward to the gop senators winning !Looking forward to Mr. Trump being sworn in on Jan,21

You're suggesting 45 will be sworn in the day after Biden is on the 20th?

[ChouDoufu]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Riddle me this:  If unfounded then why this?

 

Senators Introduce Petition to Call Special Session

 

As the Petition makes clear, testimonial and other evidence given before the Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee demonstrated a systemic failure to observe Georgia Election laws.

 

i'll bite!

 

why this?  playing politics.

 

"as the petition makes clear" is meaningless.  that's the same as saying "as rudy's demented ravings make clear."  just allegations.

 

bring on the proof, kiddo.

[ChouDoufu]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

These are allegations, not evidence.

I can allege you are having sexual relations with a goat, but unless I can produce a photo or a DNA sample matching yours, my allegation is without foundation.

 

but wait, there's more!

 

congressional democrats can introduce a bill demanding impeachment for collusion.

 

riddle me this indeed.

 

[heybruce]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Your first question is an inapt and inept analogy.

 

You have as much time as anyone to review the charges.  Given the seriousness and the dire implications of the charges it would be irresponsible not to investigate on your own.  A nation of the people, by the people and for the people demands it's citizenry is properly informed.  Or at least interested in what the truth might be.  My advice is to rely on one's own sensibilities rather than to relegate them indiscriminately to others.

The first question is an excellent analogy; many people choose to believe the earth is flat and reject all evidence to the contrary.  The same is happening regarding the election result.

 

I monitor the progress o of the challenges to the election result by reading credible news sources.  It's the same way I monitor the progress of the development and approval of the Covid 19 vaccines.  The vaccine is progressing much better than the election challenges.

 

I don't have time to delve into the details of the dozens of attempts to overturn the election result and verify the evidence.  I trust a combination of the US courts and free press to assess the validity of the claims.  So far nothing has come close to a convincing argument for overturning the election of Joe Biden.

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Riddle me this:  If unfounded then why this?

 

Senators Introduce Petition to Call Special Session

 

As the Petition makes clear, testimonial and other evidence given before the Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee demonstrated a systemic failure to observe Georgia Election laws.

i'll bite!

 

why this?  playing politics.

 

"as the petition makes clear" is meaningless.  that's the same as saying "as rudy's demented ravings make clear."  just allegations.

 

bring on the proof, kiddo.

Again, the evidence is massive.  And the evidence does not simply consist of affidavits.  There exists other factual data which is not in dispute.  You would have garnered that if you had read the entirety of the petition.

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Again, the evidence is massive.  And the evidence does not simply consist of affidavits.  There exists other factual data which is not in dispute.  You would have garnered that if you had read the entirety of the petition.

I read the petition all the way through. Plenty of charges, no evidence. Sorry, Charlie.

[Scott]

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[CrunchWrapSupreme]

I really wish all this DAMNING, SMOKING GUN gun evidence was brought to court. You know, all those court cases [Trump] brags about having. The cases which keep getting thrown out, because they've got nothing.

 

Someone please explain this discrepancy to me. At his rallies, press confs, tweets, he says he has the evidence. Then in court, where it counts, he has nothing. Why?

 

Anyway, I saw a bit of this "victory" rally off and on. It was ridiculous. Dragged on for nearly three hours. It was made to look like this was the big declaration that the election was a fraud, and this was to celebrate his second term. Hah. He played a long clip from some conspiracy theorist about that evidence, ballots in suitcases found under tables or something. Again, the evidence that's not in court. Then I found out the whole thing was just stumping for the GA runoff elections. Theatrics. God.

 

Remember folks, this guy's main claim to fame isn't business or real estate. It was his tenure as game show host.

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[Tippaporn]

6 minutes ago, heybruce said:

17 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Your first question is an inapt and inept analogy.

 

You have as much time as anyone to review the charges.  Given the seriousness and the dire implications of the charges it would be irresponsible not to investigate on your own.  A nation of the people, by the people and for the people demands it's citizenry is properly informed.  Or at least interested in what the truth might be.  My advice is to rely on one's own sensibilities rather than to relegate them indiscriminately to others.

The first question is an excellent analogy; many people choose to believe the earth is flat and reject all evidence to the contrary.  The same is happening regarding the election result.

 

I monitor the progress o of the challenges to the election result by reading credible news sources.  It's the same way I monitor the progress of the development and approval of the Covid 19 vaccines.  The vaccine is progressing much better than the election challenges.

 

I don't have time to delve into the details of the dozens of attempts to overturn the election result and verify the evidence.  I trust a combination of the US courts and free press to assess the validity of the claims.  So far nothing has come close to a convincing argument for overturning the election of Joe Biden.

You have lots of time to post here.  That time could be spent otherwise, could it not?  That's a rhetorical question.  There simply is no reason to abdicate your responsibility to inform yourself.  There are only excuses.  You have the right to choose for yourself but I reject any excuses given as substitutes for valid reasons.  I educate myself.  So I am proof of what is possible.

[Jeffr2]

23 minutes ago, J Town said:

You're suggesting 45 will be sworn in the day after Biden is on the 20th?

@riclag doesn't seem to be in touch with reality.  Stunning some actually believe this stuff.  Sad they don't move on and let America start to heal and deal with this pandemic.

[Jeffr2]

13 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Again, the evidence is massive.  And the evidence does not simply consist of affidavits.  There exists other factual data which is not in dispute.  You would have garnered that if you had read the entirety of the petition.

Give it up buddy.  You're on the losing side here.

[ChouDoufu]

15 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Again, the evidence is massive.  And the evidence does not simply consist of affidavits.  There exists other factual data which is not in dispute.  You would have garnered that if you had read the entirety of the petition.

 

another media circus, or some venue they control and are able to spread their disinformation without question?

 

not necessary.  we'll see all the evidence as presented to a court.

 

.....unless lawyers are sanctioned for lying to the courts......in which case once again we'll hear "no, your honour, this is not a fraud case."

 

 

[heybruce]

11 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

You have lots of time to post here.  That time could be spent otherwise, could it not?  That's a rhetorical question.  There simply is no reason to abdicate your responsibility to inform yourself.  There are only excuses.  You have the right to choose for yourself but I reject any excuses given as substitutes for valid reasons.  I educate myself.  So I am proof of what is possible.

Posting here takes minutes.  Identifying and examining the dozens of attempts to overturn the election results would take thousands of hours.  Do you understand the difference?

 

I am informing myself through reputable news sources.  You clearly are not.

[EVENKEEL]

17 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah, and add to that his rallies are almost all in more backwater areas, the types of regions where people go to watch haircuts on Saturday night. So going to a rally for many of those people is the most exciting thing they've done in their entire lives.

Stereotype  much........

[Tippaporn]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Give it up buddy.  You're on the losing side here.

This issue is more than worth fighting for.  The implications are dire.  At this point it isn't about Trump vs. Biden any longer.  It's about free and fair elections for all future elections.

[Sujo]

24 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Again, the evidence is massive.  And the evidence does not simply consist of affidavits.  There exists other factual data which is not in dispute.  You would have garnered that if you had read the entirety of the petition.

Why do they refuse to provide this massive evidence to the courts.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

This issue is more than worth fighting for.  The implications are dire.  At this point it isn't about Trump vs. Biden any longer.  It's about free and fair elections for all future elections.

And all the evidence shows the election was free and fair. There has been zero evidence to counter that.

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

This issue is more than worth fighting for.  The implications are dire.  At this point it isn't about Trump vs. Biden any longer.  It's about free and fair elections for all future elections.

No, it's about usurping democracy and replacing the office of the president with a dictator thereby creating a banana republic

[robblok]

12 hours ago, billd766 said:

Please try not to lump all Trump supporters and Brextiteers the same way. We are NOT all the same.

 

BTW the thread is about Trump and nothing to do with Brexit.

Its just that the same names with the same allergy to facts pop up. All the bad news is always fake. 

 

I see exactly the same traits, news articles are always fake and its all 1 big conspiracy. 

 

So sorry Bild that i say what others are thinking. I think both groups are quite blind to facts. Now there might be a few that can be persuaded by facts but not many. 

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

And all the evidence shows the election was free and fair. There has been zero evidence to counter that.

Affidavits are legal evidence.  Look it up if you wish.  Lots of legal sites available to verify this.  All affidavits are unsubstantiated and require verification.  Until that time they are neither true, but neither are they false.

[robblok]

All those Trump acolytes, why don't they ask themselves if there was this much proof how could all those independent courts toss it all out. 

 

They should ask themselves why Guiliany does not say the same things in court as he says on TV. 

 

Either there is a huge conspiracy and Trump just got all the wrong judges or he just does not have the evidence.

 

I know what a logical thinking person would think.

 

Unfortunately Trump supporters are not logical Thinking persons. I think JT his backwater remark was quite right. Those are the kind of people that are easy to brainwash.

[welovesundaysatspace]

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

This issue is more than worth fighting for.  The implications are dire.  At this point it isn't about Trump vs. Biden any longer.  It's about free and fair elections for all future elections.

This is about a wannabe dictator, his radical mob and a deeply undemocratic Republican Party trying to stage a coup. It won’t work. All your wet dreams of a civil war (“fighting”, “military”) will burst. 

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2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Affidavits are legal evidence.  Look it up if you wish.  Lots of legal sites available to verify this.  All affidavits are unsubstantiated and require verification.  Until that time they are neither true, but neither are they false.

But without serious corroborating evidence they are valueless. As repeated court cases have demonstrated.

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Why do they refuse to provide this massive evidence to the courts.

You've asked that question before and I gave you an answer.

  

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

What are the specific allegations in the affidavits.

 

Why hasnt rudy produced them to the court.

There are many affidavits available for the public to read.  Your question suggests you have not the interest to find and read them.  Why is it that I've been able to read quite a few of them?

 

Your second question is revealing as well.  Do you think Rudy walked into court with an empty briefcase?

 

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Affidavits are legal evidence.  Look it up if you wish.  Lots of legal sites available to verify this.  All affidavits are unsubstantiated and require verification.  Until that time they are neither true, but neither are they false.

Come on.  Seems you really need a better source for your news.  It's over and now all that's happening is Trump and his band of enablers are attacking the very foundation of our democracy.  Free and fair elections.  Stunning you support this.  Per his own AG, Barr, there's NO evidence of massive voter fraud.  Catch up!

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Just now, Tippaporn said:

You've asked that question before and I gave you an answer.

  

 

Guiliani has acknowledged in court that he is not alleging fraud.

[welovesundaysatspace]

On 12/7/2020 at 7:54 AM, Tippaporn said:

Affidavits are legal evidence.  Look it up if you wish.  Lots of legal sites available to verify this.  All affidavits are unsubstantiated and require

verification.  Until that time they are neither true, but neither are they false.

You are wrong, as has been confirmed by dozen of courts. Unless all those affidavits haven’t been presented to those courts, of course, but then guess why that is...

 

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name calling reference removed

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, J Town said:

No, it's about usurping democracy and replacing the office of the president with a dictator thereby creating a banana republic

This discussion is both devolving and running in circles.  There's no point in attempting a sensible reply to the above.  There's not much more I can say without repeating myself endlessly.  Time will tell.

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

This discussion is both devolving and running in circles.  There's no point in attempting a sensible reply to the above.  There's not much more I can say without repeating myself endlessly.  Time will tell.

You've yet to come up with a sensible reply.  What do you expect.