Calories.

[NoshowJones]

I do not have a weight problem, never have had, but as I am getting older, I try to keep my weight like it was in my thirties. I like drinking the likes

of diet  drinks like 7UP and  no sugar versions of est PLAY, I do not like Pepsi or Coke.

Does "no sugar" drinks have any calories at all?

[BigStar]

Quote

Artificial sweeteners appear to change the host microbiome, lead to decreased satiety, and alter glucose homeostasis, and are associated with increased caloric consumption and weight gain. Artificial sweeteners are marketed as a healthy alternative to sugar and as a tool for weight loss. Data however suggests that the intended effects do not correlate with what is seen in clinical practice.

     --https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29159583/

[NoshowJones]

21 minutes ago, BigStar said:

     --https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29159583/

So 0% sugar means no calorie in the drink? You link does not work, but thanks for your input.

[BigStar]

52 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

So 0% sugar means no calorie in the drink? You link does not work, but thanks for your input.

Not quite that simple, as there's more involved than just calories in the drink. But if the label says no calories, then it surely has none.

 

Try this: The Association Between Artificial Sweeteners and Obesity

[CharlieH]

"Yahoo Health

 

The truth about ZERO calorie drinks and food

 

Body weight comes from calories, so when you eat or drink something with zero calories, you gain zero weight. Right?
 

Wrong. Shockingly wrong. In fact, with the exception of water, any zero-calorie food or beverage you consume can lead not to weight loss, but to weight gain.
 

How can this be? Our bodies are complicated and finely tuned instruments, and explaining how they work is no simpler than explaining Google’s algorithm.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/the-truth-about-zero-calorie-drinks-and-foods-100855284913.html

[NoshowJones]

34 minutes ago, BigStar said:

Not quite that simple, as there's more involved than just calories in the drink. But if the label says no calories, then it surely has none.

 

Try this: The Association Between Artificial Sweeteners and Obesity

Yes it's on the bottle, est PLAY.  0% Sugar. You can buy in Tesco. I will google that. Thanks.

[Jonathan Fairfield]

Yes, there are zero cals in say a Coke Zero but zero cal drinks are less satiating than say water.

 

Therefore, you could be more likely to eat more the more often you drink zero cal drinks as feel less full.

 

But the drink itself is zero cals. 

[thailand49]

I don't know what is what?  What I do know for example my Daughter In-Law ( Thai ) she grew up with sugar, addicted to sugar a real small girl in school but as dumb and ignorant as they come here. The moment she wakes up it is sugar some how she thinks if she switch from Coke, to Coke zero it would help or switching to other soda, like orange, green it means no sugar?

 

Now if that was true she wouldn't be 90 Kilos and growing!  ???????? I told her good luck when you go shopping I've not seen stores with XXXXL in womens?

Edited December 16, 2020 by thailand49

[SomchaiCNX]

Stay away from that stuff, very unhealthy. Low fast is another unhealthy scam. 

[Bob12345]

To answer your question: "no sugar" versions of soft drinks do have calories.

 

There are rules and regulations how caloric information needs to be shown and producers can be off by a certain % and claim "0 calories" as long as they stay below a certain value per portion. This limit is relatively low and for the average consumer it will make no difference on weight management. 

 

The whole story of gut health you should take with a huge grain of salt, simply nobody (and that is NOBODY) understand how it all works together and whoever claims to have figured out a part is trying to sell you something. 

 

If you enjoy "no sugar" drinks then go for it. There is no clear indication it is bad for you and many people report positive effects from consuming no sugar drinks when on a diet. Just dont overdo it with liters a day and you will be fine. The total caloric load of all your daily drinks is neglectable compared to whatever you eat. 

[patman30]

be careful with zero sugar drinks or products
many products use sugar alcohols such as Maltitol
and some fizzy drinks use aspartame which is very bad for your health
just be sure to check what sweetners are being used

the other issue is the sweetness tricks your body
as others mentioned above
they can have you craving the sweetness
making you feel hungry and in turn make you eat more

Edited December 16, 2020 by patman30

[ignis]

zero sugar fizzy drinks is also very bad for your Kidneys ...

[khunPer]

On 12/15/2020 at 6:02 AM, possum1931 said:

Does "no sugar" drinks have any calories at all?

Several studies have shown that artificial sweeteners seems to have people to gain weight. If you drink a lot, then it's better change to sugar and drink little of sweet stuff only, and replace the remaining needed liquid intake with mineral water; "mineral" as you need the salts, especially in a hot country where you might sweat more...????

[VBF]

On 12/15/2020 at 5:59 AM, possum1931 said:

So 0% sugar means no calorie in the drink? You link does not work, but thanks for your input.

The link works if you copy/paste it - here's the HTML version which you can click on https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29159583/

@BigStar it's best to post links that way rather than just text.

 

There are those who believe that one of the sugar substitutes called "aspartame" frequently used in "diet" drinks is harmful. To be clear, I don't know if this is good science or a conspiracy theory, so I'm not positing any links but a web search turns up the good and the bad. I don't like the taste of "diet" drinks so I haven't followed this up.

Edited December 16, 2020 by VBF

[NoshowJones]

7 hours ago, VBF said:

The link works if you copy/paste it - here's the HTML version which you can click on https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29159583/

@BigStar it's best to post links that way rather than just text.

 

There are those who believe that one of the sugar substitutes called "aspartame" frequently used in "diet" drinks is harmful. To be clear, I don't know if this is good science or a conspiracy theory, so I'm not positing any links but a web search turns up the good and the bad. I don't like the taste of "diet" drinks so I haven't followed this up.

Sheryl says that sugar substitutes are safe in moderation, I only drink two glasses of % sugar drinks per day and around 4 or 5 satchets of Equal.

[VBF]

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

Sheryl says that sugar substitutes are safe in moderation, I only drink two glasses of % sugar drinks per day and around 4 or 5 satchets of Equal.

As i say, I don't like the taste so I either go without or drink fresh juice....................or beer! ????

[NoshowJones]

7 hours ago, VBF said:

As i say, I don't like the taste so I either go without or drink fresh juice....................or beer! ????

o% Cal beer????????

[VBF]

6 hours ago, possum1931 said:

o% Cal beer????????

Sadly no 

If only ????

It is my personal belief that beer in moderation does one less harm than some of the so-called healthy drinks though.

Possibly not the bottled variety but decent ale I mean.

"Devil in the detail (ingredients)" and all that

[NoshowJones]

4 minutes ago, VBF said:

Sadly no 

If only ????

It is my personal belief that beer in moderation does one less harm than some of the so-called healthy drinks though.

Possibly not the bottled variety but decent ale I mean.

"Devil in the detail (ingredients)" and all that

I'm a non drinker, alcohol that is, but I only drink one or two glasses of "so called" healthy drinks

per day.

[BigStar]

15 hours ago, possum1931 said:

Sheryl says that sugar substitutes are safe in moderation, I only drink two glasses of % sugar drinks per day and around 4 or 5 satchets of Equal.

They're surely safe, but that's rather another issue.

[eezergood]

On 12/16/2020 at 10:09 AM, ignis said:

zero sugar fizzy drinks is also very bad for your Kidneys ...

evidence to support this is???????

[ignis]

1 hour ago, eezergood said:

evidence to support this is???????

There are many medial website to support this just do a search.....

 

one such site    https://www.kidney.org/news/kidneyCare/spring10/DietSoda

 

Healthline is another.. eg:  

Drinking diet soda has been linked to an increased risk of chronic kidney disease.

A recent study analyzed the diets of 15,368 people and found that the risk of developing end-stage kidney disease increased with the number of glasses of diet soda consumed per week.

Compared with those who consumed less than one glass per week, people who drank more than seven glasses of diet soda per week had nearly double the risk of developing kidney disease

[eezergood]

23 hours ago, ignis said:

There are many medial website to support this just do a search.....

 

one such site    https://www.kidney.org/news/kidneyCare/spring10/DietSoda

 

Healthline is another.. eg:  

Drinking diet soda has been linked to an increased risk of chronic kidney disease.

A recent study analyzed the diets of 15,368 people and found that the risk of developing end-stage kidney disease increased with the number of glasses of diet soda consumed per week.

Compared with those who consumed less than one glass per week, people who drank more than seven glasses of diet soda per week had nearly double the risk of developing kidney disease

Anecdote - only applied to WHITE WOMEN over the age of 40, that self surveyed & self confessed to drinking "several sodas a day". The probable reality here is that if you are consuming "many sodas" daily you would probably have other poor eating choices.

Furthermore the dramatic change in filtration rates (although correct at 3 times the level) is misleading in that the absolute difference was from 1% to 3%, with natural reduction accounting for 1% - Hardly life changing for otherwise (assumed) healthy people. 

If drinking to excess, then Houston we have a problem - if used as part of a regime to reduce overall caloric intake (in sensible amounts) as a replacement to a regular soda I would think that any risk is negated by the overall benefits of lower calorie choices........

 

Any further "medical" websites ? Did you even read the extract ?

 

[ignis]

Well for me it works....

 

March 2015 was end stage 5 CKD, + all the talk of dialysis 3 times a week...

 

Cut out ALL diet drinks + added salt, so living proof...

since then has been getting better each year, last test  September 2020 and was just under stage 3..

 

Go to the Hospital diabetic eating class and they tell you to always choose 'DIET' drinks as a diabetic !!!  

 

 

[karunasup]

2 suggestions

a book called WHY WE GET SICK by Dr. Benjamin Beckman, claims that insulin resistance is the bigger problem than diabetes.....and so diet/food and exercise are key. But not the typical diet recommended by most hospital based dieticians.

Dr. Ben Bikman (Book: Why we get sick) Insulin resistance and its problems

 

 

 

Dr.Jason Fung  (book “ The Diabetes code”)

https://journals.stfm.org/familymedicine/2019/march/br-mar19-scherger/

 

 

and fasting (most medical doctors are way behind on this research findings and are close-minded about it, including endocronologists):

 

Intermittent Fasting evidence, in New England Medical Journal (one of the top medical journals)

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmra1905136

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/KtbxLxgGBWXdKkhRZgFkQfWpjjWQdNdZHL?projector=1

 

Harvard med school

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/intermittent-fasting-surprising-update-2018062914156

 

World’s largest Fasting Study (2020) | Buchinger Wilhelmi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b-EqKYv314

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[BritManToo]

Eat less, exercise more.

As I get older I can only manage 8Km walking a day, so I eat less and don't drink Pepsi even though I love it.

Diet drinks aren't the answer, drink something else, Soda water with a squeeze of lime and handful of ice is a healthy low calorie drink. Boil some sliced ginger root, add a dash of honey, drink hot or iced.

Edited March 25, 2021 by BritManToo

[eezergood]

On 3/25/2021 at 9:50 AM, BritManToo said:

Eat less, exercise more.

As I get older I can only manage 8Km walking a day, so I eat less and don't drink Pepsi even though I love it.

Diet drinks aren't the answer, drink something else, Soda water with a squeeze of lime and handful of ice is a healthy low calorie drink. Boil some sliced ginger root, add a dash of honey, drink hot or iced.

You add honey for the taste of honey or for the sweetness? 

[ignis]

12 minutes ago, eezergood said:

You add honey for the taste of honey or for the sweetness? 

I add a teaspoon of honey to warm milk if I wake up with the shakes = BS is 60 or less, not often but has always worked for me over the years.. 

[eezergood]

22 minutes ago, ignis said:

I add a teaspoon of honey to warm milk if I wake up with the shakes = BS is 60 or less, not often but has always worked for me over the years.. 

good to know, but I was asking if the home made ginger tea (?) had honey added for taste or sweetness.....

 

but i assume any high fructose sugars would be helpful to quickly raise blood sugar, there is nothing magical about honey (aside from the fact that little yellow & black bugs make it from flowers) 

Edited April 9, 2021 by eezergood

[karunasup]

the formula of "eat less and exercise more" has to be qualified with eat the right foods first. So it mean reducing carbs drastically (from starchy foods) , eliminating sugary drinks (even if honey) and sugary fruits.