EU's Barnier says: just hours left for a Brexit trade deal

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, GrandPapillon said:

any deal yet? or are we getting a new extension ? ????

 

  Whatever happens, the talks will end before 31 st December and either a no agreement or new agreement will take effect from Jan 1st

[vinny41]

45 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

any deal yet? or are we getting a new extension ? ????

France wan'ts to carry on talking

Brexit trade talks may continue after MEPs' deadline, says France

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/19/brexit-trade-talks-may-continue-after-meps-deadline-says-france

[evadgib]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

France wan'ts to carry on talking

Brexit trade talks may continue after MEPs' deadline, says France

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/19/brexit-trade-talks-may-continue-after-meps-deadline-says-france

If they can't sort their act out in four and a half years they'll be no nearer come Easter.

WTO; Bring it on.

[david555]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

“project fear”

 

More project fear....????

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/19/businesses-scramble-charter-private-freight-flights-case-no/

Businesses scramble to charter private freight flights in case of No Deal Brexit disruption

Companies have begun to put alternative measures in place to cope with long tailbacks on cross-Channel freight services

With fears...

 

By Patrick Sawer, Senior News Reporter and Camilla Tominey, Associate Editor 19 December 2020 • 5:00pm

 

 

 

 

 

 

[evadgib]

Post-Christmas work to activate Operation Brock

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Details of the next deployment of the moveable barrier system on the M20 in Kent in preparation for the end of the transition period have been confirmed by Highways England today.

 

Separation Agreement Joint Committee meeting (December 2020): joint statement

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This statement follows the meeting of the Separation Agreement Joint Committee between representatives from Iceland, Norway, Liechtenstein and the UK government via video conference.

 

English sparkling wine leading global innovation

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Innovative flare of the industry is generating attention with novel approaches, including using sheep to maintain vineyards and bespoke weather forecasting.

HMG are getting on with it despite the obvious ???? distractions.

Edited December 19, 2020 by evadgib

[GrandPapillon]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Whatever happens, the talks will end before 31 st December and either a no agreement or new agreement will take effect from Jan 1st

Boris will surrender, mark my word ????

[luckyluke]

4 hours ago, evadgib said:

Further to @billd766's answer; This caught my eye a few days ago and is rather more current than your link from 2016:

 

Fifth hunter-killer submarine named Anson

Damned. 

[luckyluke]

So if the E.U. gives in about this fish thing, the U.K. will considered it as a triumph. 

 

As it represents economical nothing, they should better do, and ask something really valuable/profitable for everyone in the E.U., in lieu of. 

[vinny41]

8 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

So if the E.U. gives in about this fish thing, the U.K. will considered it as a triumph. 

 

As it represents economical nothing, they should better do, and ask something really valuable/profitable for everyone in the E.U., in lieu of. 

For some people its all about money and nothing else, for other people its about principle and doing what they believe is right

If we look at the History of your own country identifying and assisting the Nazis if rounding up and deporting the jews some people in your country considered it 

The report "Docile Belgium," commissioned by the Belgian parliament, said the state collaborated with the Nazis for "economic, as well as ideological and legal-administrative" reasons

It should be said that Many Belgians tried to save Jewish people but other Belgians looked at primarly from an economic point of view or maybe they thought they would gain brownie points from the Nazis

https://www.dw.com/en/report-belgium-collaborated-with-nazis-in-deporting-jews/a-2351064

 

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

For some people its all about money and nothing else, for other people its about principle and doing what they believe is right

You can convince, for a very short time, the man in the street, that decisions are make out of principles, but may influence negatively his wellness. 

You can't use that on and on. He won't buy it. 

 

The rest of your post is irrelevant. 

 

However I am agree there were good/brave people, but also others, during the occupation of Belgium. 

It was the case in many occupied countries. 

 

 

 

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

You can convince, for a very short time, the man in the street, that decisions are make out of principles, but may influence negatively his wellness. 

You can't use that on and on. He won't buy it. 

 

The rest of your post is irrelevant. 

 

However I am agree there were good/brave people, but also others, during the occupation of Belgium. 

It was the case in many occupied countries. 

 

 

 

No the rest of my post is relevant some of your fellow countryman collaborated with the Nazis for "economic reasons" and I am sure some of your fellow countryman would do exactly the same today for "economic reasons"

[luckyluke]

Just now, vinny41 said:

No the rest of my post is relevant some of your fellow countryman collaborated with the Nazis for "economic reasons" and I am sure some of your fellow countryman would do exactly the same today for "economic reasons"

Well we are unagreed here about what is relevant or not. 

 

Economy plays a vital role in every country for the wellness of everyone, but it is nice to have principles. 

 

The concept of principles is however in many times different from one individual to another. 

 

We all know about collaboration in the occupied countries, and we all know that there are still people who will do anything for money. 

 

Those who live here in Thailand know/experienced it very well. 

 

[transam]

21 hours ago, Surelynot said:

I still think Johnson is looking for a way to push the final agreement to be delayed until Christmas Eve........the Great Showman (what a joke) can then announce to the world how wonderful he is.

Really, how interesting......

[transam]

15 hours ago, Mavideol said:

that sounds very familiar, I do think Boris is just copying his mentor .... the orange guy across the Atlantic also claimed only AMERICA first and in reality he meant " it's only and always TRUMP first" 555

And I thought we were going to get away with no mention of Trump in this thread, you have ruined my day....????

[transam]

7 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

Boris will surrender, mark my word ????

But he's not French......????

[luckyluke]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

And I thought we were going to get away with no mention of Trump in this thread, 

 

Shows how, in 4 years, Mr. Trump became one of the most influential people.

[luckyluke]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

But he's not French......????

 

Every nationality, at least once, took the decision it was more wise to surrender.

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

Shows how, in 4 years, Mr. Trump became one of the most influential people.

 

  There needs to be a study on how and why so many people became obsessed  with him , they became Zombie like , ask them any question on any topic and the reply with mention Trump .

  Its become weird, people walking around socially distancing, wearing masks and keeping mentioning Trump over and over again 

[Kwasaki]

7 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Damned. 

Isn't it great timing Luke but don't worry the UK RN will just give Belgium fishing boats a warning.

Thanks for the C19 jabs. ????

[Kwasaki]

12 hours ago, puipuitom said:

Same as the rest of NATO forces: lots on paper, but available for going to action .. ? 

Oh !!  NATO  that sponging club will be the next to leave. 

[luckyluke]

4 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

 don't worry the UK RN will just give Belgium fishing boats a warning.

 

Hope so, there are only a total of 69 Belgian fishing boats ( fishing in national and international waters ) anymore.

[CorpusChristie]

8 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Hope so, there are only a total of 69 Belgian fishing boats ( fishing in national and international waters ) anymore.

 

   There will be a lot less than that , if you come too close to UKs waters , in future 

[luckyluke]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

 

   There will be a lot less than that , if you come too close to UKs waters , in future 

 

Assuming there is no last minute agreement.

 

If not, I believe the  Belgian fishers, fishing in U.K. waters, will get compensations, surpassing what they may earn now for a hard working.

After all, seen the low number, it won't cost that much.

 

 

[Surelynot]

10 hours ago, evadgib said:

Innovative flare of the industry is generating attention with novel approaches, including using sheep to maintain vineyards

555...cutting edge stuff

[billd766]

10 hours ago, luckyluke said:

So if the E.U. gives in about this fish thing, the U.K. will considered it as a triumph. 

 

As it represents economical nothing, they should better do, and ask something really valuable/profitable for everyone in the E.U., in lieu of. 

If fishing is worth nothing, then why is Macron getting his panties in a bunch?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54526145

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-55234464

 

 

 

 

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, transam said:

And I thought we were going to get away with no mention of Trump in this thread, you have ruined my day....????

nahhh, not this time, the occasion was too good to let it pass 555

[luckyluke]

7 minutes ago, billd766 said:

If fishing is worth nothing, then why is Macron getting his panties in a bunch?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Main reason :

Presidential Election in France in 2022.

Mr. Macron is not very popular, he can't afford to be more unpopular.

By pretending to be on the side of the French fishermen, he hopes it will improve his ratings.

It's all about politics. 

[billd766]

5 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Main reason :

Presidential Election in France in 2022.

Mr. Macron is not very popular, he can't afford to be more unpopular.

By pretending to be on the side of the French fishermen, he hopes it will improve his ratings.

It's all about politics. 

I agree with you there.

 

I saw an item about French fishermen wanting to go ahead on Brexit and getting upset with Macron as he will try to veto anything that interferes with EU fishing rights. The trouble is I can't remember where.

[Hi from France]

On 12/18/2020 at 8:09 PM, vinny41 said:

If it all goes horribly wrong the Uk will play the Turkish Card in about 20 years from now

Since Turkey started the EU Accession process it has received billions of euros from the EU taxpayer

Has the EU seen a return from that investment

Touché, but to play the Turkish Card you need to be a "developing nation". 

 

Do you recon the UK will end up in such a sorry state? 

[Hi from France]

On 12/19/2020 at 5:49 AM, Surelynot said:

I still think Johnson is looking for a way to push the final agreement to be delayed until Christmas Eve........the Great Showman (what a joke) can then announce to the world how wonderful he is.

This is my bet too: I see a deal tonight as unlikely even if at the moment, they are negotiating.. 

 

I think we are heading for a repeat of the Withdrawal Agreement. Boris will accept before the deadline, he'll get the deal ratified by the parliament, signed by the queen, say it's the best deal ever. Then he will try to renege again to keep the benefits and reject the constraints. 

 

The whole deal hangs on the punitive clauses, not the word of the UK.