Thailand reports biggest coronavirus surge, over 500 cases - Samut Sakhon placed in to lockdown

[SunsetT]

11 hours ago, Elkski said:

All you guys wanting the tourist gates open. well here is what I predicted would happen.

What a stupid statement!

 

What has this outbreak got to do with tourists? Doing guided tourist tours of the fish processing plants are they?

 

Infected tourists are being weeded out by quarantine. And how many times do I have to repeat it: 'That is exactly what quarantine is for!' That is it's purpose and it is working. As long as you have quarantine there is no need to worry about tourists.

Edited December 20, 2020 by SunsetT

[mommysboy]

18 minutes ago, anchadian said:

I don't think they have the cold storage facilities to store the Pilzer vaccine.

Assuming it gets approved, the British vaccine will be far the better option due to its durability.  All vaccines appear to stop serious infection, which is the most important thing. (yes, Astrazeneca really let the side down with their trials.)

[Harry Fingerling]

90% asymptomatic out of just 516 infected seems a little too high in my estimation. Maybe if they tested the cheap labour on arrival things probably would be so bad. Just how many other people have gone there to buy for their businesses from many provinces is the breeding ground for a full on second wave.

[david555]

3 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

I’m not sure why you single out Thailand in particular. Wasn’t, isn’t, this the White House strategy in the USA?

i am not singling out .... but this is about Thailand  isn'it ?...... but you are right could happen now anywhere on the world....

 Just A Thai item , as it would be a USA item i might also put my opinion 

[RR2020]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

 

They bought the wrong one. Went with the British vaccine instead of the American one. Guess they didn't want to offend China or something.

 

Oxford/AZ vaccine will be approved in the UK on 28th or 29th Dec.

 

You have been subjected to "fake news"............in other words............Amercian Media promoting and marketing their vaccine on "dodgy" information.

 

 

WHY ???

 

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines results were not based on testing asymptomatic......... so in effect their 95% is based on "not getting sick but without testing".  EG their tests did not test for any asymptomatic cases.

 

The Oxford/AZ results are based on testing and confirming with a PCR........so the lower percentage is because Oxford/AZ actually doing PCR and finding asymptomatic cases.

 

Its very normal for American companies to BS........they are making profit, they want to sell their vaccine...........Oxford/AZ is non profit, so the USA companies do not want anyone buying the Oxford/AZ vaccine.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by onthedarkside
bickering comment removed

[Quietus]

Prayut and his army boys have had since February to close the borders, prevent the rich accessing brothels in Burma and while at it, destroy the narcotics factories in Burma.

 

Three guesses why they did nothing.

[RR2020]

28 minutes ago, RR2020 said:

 

Oxford/AZ vaccine will be approved in the UK on 28th or 29th Dec.

 

You have been subjected to "fake news"............in other words............Amercian Media promoting and marketing their vaccine on "dodgy" information.

 

 

WHY ???

 

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines results were not based on testing asymptomatic......... so in effect their 95% is based on "not getting sick but without testing".  EG their tests did not test for any asymptomatic cases.

 

The Oxford/AZ results are based on testing and confirming with a PCR........so the lower percentage is because Oxford/AZ actually doing PCR and finding asymptomatic cases.

 

Its very normal for American companies to BS........they are making profit, they want to sell their vaccine...........Oxford/AZ is non profit, so the USA companies do not want anyone buying the Oxford/AZ vaccine.

 

 

Maybe you should read the research papers and not just the "fake news" media.

 

 

 

But the good news is.......all the vaccines prevent "serious" Covid.

 

And that is all that matters............

 

 

???? 

Edited December 20, 2020 by onthedarkside
false claim removed

[hotchilli]

15 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Thailand reports biggest coronavirus surge, over 500 cases 

It begs the question how did this infection start after months of no domestic infections?

Assuming all protocols of the emergency decree are being followed to the letter, ie masks/social distancing, names recorded at each facility etc etc.

Not forgetting that borders have been closed since March/April, then anyone coming in are going straight to quarantine and tested.

Or, heaven forbid the thought of migrant labour either sneaking in and being employed illegally without correct documentation, or being allowed in at the borders for a fee and fast-tracked to slave labour camps then someone is about to get rollicking.

[GrandPapillon]

15 hours ago, Olivie said:

Wow it seems when Thailand test people, SURPRISINGLY they find cases.
They should have stuck to their strategy: no test, no case...

indeed, best strategy ever ????

 

no test, no covid, no problem

[John Drake]

30 minutes ago, RR2020 said:

 

Oxford/AZ vaccine will be approved in the UK on 28th or 29th Dec.

 

You have been subjected to "fake news"............in other words............Amercian Media promoting and marketing their vaccine on "dodgy" information.

 

 

WHY ???

 

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines results were not based on testing asymptomatic......... so in effect their 95% is based on "not getting sick but without testing".  EG their tests did not test for any asymptomatic cases.

 

The Oxford/AZ results are based on testing and confirming with a PCR........so the lower percentage is because Oxford/AZ actually doing PCR and finding asymptomatic cases.

 

Its very normal for American companies to BS........they are making profit, they want to sell their vaccine...........Oxford/AZ is non profit, so the USA companies do not want anyone buying the Oxford/AZ vaccine.

 

 

Right this very moment, there is a Covid outbreak in Britain, and it's being treated with an American vaccine, not a British one.  Right this very moment, there is a Covid outbreak in Thailand, and it will not be treated with any vaccine for three to four months, because Thailand placed all its bets on a British vaccine, instead of an American one. And all you can do is rant against the US.

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[Big Yuley]

Best news of 2020

 

it will be a great christmas after all.

[shoupy]

Someone please explain how last year in China during the New Year home bound train travel by the masses, that China wasn't completely inundated with the virus.

[Sunderland]

2 hours ago, Miami007 said:

There was no tourism and borders were closed. How did the first foreign worker (who must have been in Thailand since March) get the virus? 

Obviously, no surprise that 50% of the migrant workers tested positive based on dense living conditions ( same situation in Singapore).

 

The virus existed in Thailand the whole time- but asymptomatic people were not tested in large numbers. Now they found 90% of the cases to be without symptoms. 

 

Quite a lot of Thai people - especially in some parts of Bangkok - also live in dense living conditions, but they never seem to spread the virus, or most probably have been rarely tested for it.

[Traubert]

10 minutes ago, shoupy said:

Someone please explain how last year in China during the New Year home bound train travel by the masses, that China wasn't completely inundated with the virus.

Because they all wore masks and went home and stayed in, that simple. 

 

This is a storm in a teacup.

[Phulublub]

30 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Right this very moment, there is a Covid outbreak in Britain, and it's being treated with an American vaccine, not a British one.  Right this very moment, there is a Covid outbreak in Thailand, and it will not be treated with any vaccine for three to four months, because Thailand placed all its bets on a British vaccine, instead of an American one. And all you can do is rant against the US.

Did Thailand have the opportunity to take some of the Pfizer vaccine?  If thye did, do thye have the facilities to store and transport it?  Perhaps - just perhaps- they made a decision to buy the UK vaccine for entirely logical reasons.

 

PH

[RR2020]

28 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Right this very moment, there is a Covid outbreak in Britain, and it's being treated with an American vaccine, not a British one.  Right this very moment, there is a Covid outbreak in Thailand, and it will not be treated with any vaccine for three to four months, because Thailand placed all its bets on a British vaccine, instead of an American one. And all you can do is rant against the US.

 

To be precise.

 

In the UK they are getting vaccinated by a vaccine made in Belgium by a US/German collaboration.

 

The Oxford/AZ vaccine will be approved before year end.

 

Moderna is selling for a profit.  Moderna is only approved in the USA.

 

Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is selling for a profit. Is approved in a few countries and in use in UK and USA.

 

Oxford/AZ vaccine is NON profit.  UK will again be the world leader and all being well will approve late December and use from January onwards.

 

 

 

Does not matter which one Thailand purchased as NONE will be delivered in Asia until 2021 of any sort.

 

EU/USA and other "big economies" have purchased all the initial production runs.

[John Drake]

2 minutes ago, RR2020 said:

Oxford/AZ vaccine is NON profit.  UK will again be the world leader and all being well will approve late December and use from January onwards.

 

 

At this point, non-profit seems to equate with second rate.

[GeorgeCross]

8 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

At this point, non-profit seems to equate with second rate.

 

not when its developed by the best university on the planet it isn't:

 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by GeorgeCross

[GeorgeCross]

MoPH reporting 689 cases linked to the cluster now:

 

[Marco100]

Do not understand how all this cases comes in from Myanmar with no quarantine and spreads in numbers and they still make it so difficult for tourist to visit the country ?

At this point , as tourist get tested before boarding  ,  at arrival , ++ in quarantine,  why not reduce quarantine to 7 days ?

[P100]

"Most of Thailand's recent cases have been imported."

 

Oh what a unique situation Thailand has imported cases...Just like all other countries worldwide. Except China. China has exported its cases. Do not forget that, Thailand!

[ourmanflint]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

 

Right this very moment, there is a Covid outbreak in Britain, and it's being treated with an American vaccine, not a British one.  Right this very moment, there is a Covid outbreak in Thailand, and it will not be treated with any vaccine for three to four months, because Thailand placed all its bets on a British vaccine, instead of an American one. And all you can do is rant against the US.

Pfizer Biontech is the only vaccine being used in Britain currently, and all it's funding came from Germany not the USA

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-09/pfizer-vaccine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington

Edited December 20, 2020 by ourmanflint

[cryo]

8 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The virus itself is a tiny .2 micron...but it has to "piggyback" on larger aerosols and droplet particles expelled from the respiratory system that are floating in the air; the virus itself doesn’t have wings. The masks have to filter out these larger particles in order to prevent virus infection. I agree properly wearing a quality mask is the key.

And more importantly how you take said mask off without instantly transferring filtered droplets onto your hands. Also be very aware that press buttons on ATM's, lifts and any ticket machines are good transmission points, more so with the latest variant of Covid.

[John Drake]

35 minutes ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

not when its developed by the best university on the planet it isn't:

 

 

 

 

First class. Second rate.

[Bkktodd]

14 hours ago, asiacurious said:

 

 

These posts (and many others in various threads these months) hint at the same general thing - that Thailand does not test in order to keep cases hidden/unreported.

 

There is a problem with this line of thought.  Some of those hidden people with Covid will be sick enough to require hospitalization.  And if you don't test them once they're in the hospital, you're going to end up with a lot of other sick people (both in and out of the hospital).  Not testing sick people won't keep the hospital beds from filling up as more and more people get sick.

 

Furthermore, whether or not the government tests people can be discerned based on what happened up north a few weeks ago when people who came across the border showed up at hospitals with symptoms....  They were tested, their contacts were traced and tested, and all of this was made public.  Hundreds of people were tested, most were negative.  Why test these people but not all those others the government doesn't test to hide the numbers?  What's so special about them?

 

And now we see this same thing in Samut Sakhon.  A woman went to the hospital with symptoms and she was tested.  What's special about her?  Why test her, why report on her positive result?  Why didn't they not test her so they could hide her case too?  Why test her family and others who worked at the market? 

 

IF the government was trying to hide the true number of people with Covid by not testing, then why test anyone, ever?

 

Simple answer.  They were tested because they had symptoms and went to the hospital.  Period.

 

 

Why lock down Samut Sakhon now?  If the virus is already all over the place (but hidden because the government does not test!) then what's the point of locking down.  Oh, wait....  To keep the ruse going?

 

Sinple also. Many have no symptoms are are positive with COVID.  Thailand has created a false sense of security.  Covid free.   Think again

[Destiny1990]

 TAT will counterattack this news by plans for making this place a high tech medical hub.

[cryo]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

 

At this point, non-profit seems to equate with second rate.

NO! non profit relates to many millions of lives saved who otherwise would be priced out of the market.

[xtrnuno41]

So those migrant workers did have a 14 day quarantaine, all by Thai rules.

They have a working permit after the quarantaine. Or not? Thai broke their own rules?

Like  New Zealand did once.

Well in the UK they find a mutant virus of covid 19 working now and it is 70% more effective in spreading.

So this one is really highly contagious, we start all over again.

They dont know yet if this one is even more dangerous, they say. But ok happy days will continu with the new virus.  

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

So those migrant workers did have a 14 day quarantaine, all by Thai rules.

They have a working permit after the quarantaine. Or not? Thai broke their own rules?

Like  New Zealand did once.

Well in the UK they find a mutant virus of covid 19 working now and it is 70% more effective in spreading.

So this one is really highly contagious, we start all over again.

They dont know yet if this one is even more dangerous, they say. But ok happy days will continu with the new virus.  

How do you or anyone else know how long these migrant workers have already been in Thailand.  They may have been here for many months or even prior to Covid happening. If that is the case why would they need quarantine?