UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[Hi from France]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

No the UK doesn't have a FTA with Brazil at the moment but they have indicated they are seeking one similar to the EU FTA

Brazil to seek a Mercosur-UK trade deal similar of agreement with EU

If the UK only tries to replicate the EU but with 1/5 of the weight what are the UK negotiating objectives?

 

Does the UK want to protect its beef industry when facing the largest beef exporter in the world? if it does, what is the give-and-take of this FTA?

 

In the end, do you think Global Britain can get more than the EU, how and when? 

 

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Edited December 25, 2020 by Hi from France

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Hi from France said:

If you will only try to replicate the EU but with 1/5 of the weight what are the UK objectives? Does the UK want to protect its beef industry when facing the largest beef exporter in the world?

 

In the end, do you think Global Britain can get more than the EU, how and when? 

Never mind the S.American beef, wait to you see what the US agricultural industry does to British farming.

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

If the UK only tries to replicate the EU but with 1/5 of the weight what are the UK negotiating objectives?

 

Does the UK want to protect its beef industry when facing the largest beef exporter in the world? if it does, what is the give-and-take of this FTA?

 

In the end, do you think Global Britain can get more than the EU, how and when? 

 

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You will have to ask UK Gov that question

[kingdong]

11 hours ago, Surelynot said:

I guess the happiest person in the UK this morning, must be the Queen.........she has got all her sovereignty back.........heavy is the head that wears the crown.

And heavy indeed will be the uks coffers when we stop paying our contribution.

[kingdong]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Never mind the S.American beef, wait to you see what the US agricultural industry does to British farming.

And what did the eu do for our farming industry? In the mid 80s a mate of mine came over from rhodesia and bought the equipment from a dairy farm for a song from an english farmer who were being paid by the eu not to milk their cows.

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, kingdong said:

And what did the eu do for our farming industry? In the mid 80s a mate of mine came over from rhodesia and bought the equipment from a dairy farm for a song from an english farmer who were being paid by the eu not to milk their cows.

You never see a farmer on a bike.

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, Hi from France said:

back on Erasmus, we won't agree there, because of course, as a principle with Brexiteers, it seems "every pound on the EU budget is a pound wasted" and that's why I'm happy to see the Brits out and the EU free of your "shackles" (to quote a prominent poster here).

 

 

so imagine a moment that the reason we want more European Union, is because when we spend more on the EU, we all are more productive, efficient and actually we all win

 

let's take Erasmus+ and Erasmus, which is a European program, but not exclusively (open to other countries, like Switzerland).

 

This was before the pandemics so we'd need to consider the impact of the devastating loss of Chinese students since then

 

we are bound by the three-quotes rule so to sum up https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/mar/08/quitting-eu-erasmus-scheme-would-blow-a-hole-in-uk-economy

 

 

 

so basically by loosing access Erasmus (that you nicely accused to be "a sect" btw) the UK is not saving money. 

 

Like with the EU contribution, it apparently saves money, but in the end 

• you loose money, because Erasmus was in reality a win win
• the UK universities with their sky-high fees (remember higher education in the UK used to be ... free) cannot attract foreign talent, and laboratories dry up: no new PhD to support british research
• young brits, including students from disadvantaged backgrounds do not have the opportunity to travel 

 

now what does the new Boris "Turing" programme do? It is not a "two-way give and take" its outbound only, so it's just a huge brain drain out of the UK.

 

 

@vinny41 I'm sure you can help, but I cannot see what the brits won here.

 

 

 

Of course we plan to develop Erasmus: we see it works well and runs a benefit, why should we not?

 

 

 

perhaps the uk won the right to implement our own employment laws,also the automatic right of " freedom of movement " has now ended which could herald the end of the glut of cheap labour ( albeit being subsidised by the government in the form of tax and rent credits) which led to " gig economies", " zero hour contracts",and bogus self employment contracts.it is also an opportunity for the uk to stop trying to punch above its weight and realise we,re not a world power just a magnet for economic migrants,well i,d like to end by wishing all my friends and colleagues on tvf a merry christmas and a happy new year.

[Sir Dude]

Seems the French and Irish are already whinging, <deleted> aren't happy, Scottish Nasty Party squawking, Verhoftprat frothing at the mouth still obviously guilty of crimes against dentistry & hairdressing, Farage OK with the deal and the fish stock plunders limited to reduced excesses for a few years then properly curtailed ... must be an OK deal then.

The EU can have extended time access to fishing for all I care as it will end up where it should be later when our fishing fleets/communities have had time to rebuild, plus we dodged the bullet on far more important things like the kangeroo ECJ and other things. We'll soon see the other EU members turn on each other over stuff now that there isn't endless funds being leeched from a former biggest contributer ... I'll get the popcorn.

[kingdong]

31 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You never see a farmer on a bike.

Cause you don,t they,ve evolved into running boot fairs,cash in hand,beats getting up at 04.00 hrs to milk the cows.

Edited December 25, 2020 by kingdong

[473geo]

2 hours ago, Hi from France said:

what I understood is that British labs cannot certify goods sold in the EU anymore : British industries will have to ask a European Lab for the testing and certification of their products.

 

The chemicals/pharma industries, where there are many molecules to certify now have to jump through hoops. So multinationals are bound to change the location of their research centers?

Would multinationals not be multi national thus moving product between sites, what the difference between approving the product in Europe and having the product approved by Europe?

[473geo]

50 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You never see a farmer on a bike.

Used to see them on UK manufactured tractors, no more

[david555]

  ( Beyond the headlines, though, the deal covers hundreds of smaller issues.....nah ..... just details.... details...  Boris assures  ...  )

 

 
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1376684/brexit-deal-news-eu-uk-trade-talks-boris-johnson-echr-courts-security-cooperation-spt

Brexit deal betrayal: EU reserves right to 'suspend deal' if UK drifts away from ECHR
THE EU reserves the right to suspend the Brexit deal if the UK drifts away from the European Courts of Human Rights, it has emerged.

By MARTINA BET
PUBLISHED: 08:43, Fri, Dec 25, 2020 | UPDATED: 09:09, Fri, Dec 25, 2020

Edited December 25, 2020 by david555

[473geo]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

  ( Beyond the headlines, though, the deal covers hundreds of smaller issues.....nah ..... just detais  details  Boris assures  ...)

 

 
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1376684/brexit-deal-news-eu-uk-trade-talks-boris-johnson-echr-courts-security-cooperation-spt

Brexit deal betrayal: EU reserves right to 'suspend deal' if UK drifts away from ECHR
THE EU reserves the right to suspend the Brexit deal if the UK drifts away from the European Courts of Human Rights, it has emerged.

By MARTINA BET
PUBLISHED: 08:43, Fri, Dec 25, 2020 | UPDATED: 09:09, Fri, Dec 25, 2020

Trying to work out if you think this is a good, or bad thing, having the option of allowing UK parties access to the ECHR

[Hi from France]

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

  ( Beyond the headlines, though, the deal covers hundreds of smaller issues.....nah ..... just detais  details  Boris assures  ...)

 

 
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1376684/brexit-deal-news-eu-uk-trade-talks-boris-johnson-echr-courts-security-cooperation-spt

Brexit deal betrayal: EU reserves right to 'suspend deal' if UK drifts away from ECHR
THE EU reserves the right to suspend the Brexit deal if the UK drifts away from the European Courts of Human Rights, it has emerged.

By MARTINA BET
PUBLISHED: 08:43, Fri, Dec 25, 2020 | UPDATED: 09:09, Fri, Dec 25, 2020

 

Yes and let's not be like confused Brexiteers:t he Council of Europe, and all of its 47 member states are contracting parties to a convention close to the human rights.

 

So this is not the European Union here and the Council of Europe was created in London. 

 

Without basic human rights you will have zero judicial cooperation. 

 

Even Russia is a member... and we all still wonder why the UK refuses to ratify basic human rights. 

 

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Edited December 25, 2020 by Hi from France

[473geo]

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

If the UK only tries to replicate the EU but with 1/5 of the weight what are the UK negotiating objectives?

 

Does the UK want to protect its beef industry when facing the largest beef exporter in the world? if it does, what is the give-and-take of this FTA?

 

In the end, do you think Global Britain can get more than the EU, how and when? 

 

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It would appear the EU are not willing to risk it hence the 'deal'

[Hi from France]

Brexiteers, if you need a slogan on a tee-shirt or something on a little frame in your loo

 

Johnson said yesterday

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“as a result of this deal [we will] be able to catch and eat quite prodigious quantities of extra fish”

 

[Hi from France]

The Guardian asked four people for their thoughts, with some pleased and others not.

 

Which one do you feel the closest to? 

• ‘It’s a complete failure’ Charles Turner from Leamington Spa, a sociology lecturer “This deal is a complete failure, it’s very simple. We won’t grow as fast as the rest of Europe, and I think by the first half of 2022, we’ll realise we’ll need a much closer relationship with the EU

 

• ‘I voted to leave and I’m pleased’ Ken Thompson, 75, from the east Midlands, who used to work for the military (..)  is happy about the deal but remains sceptical about the implications of Brexit, despite having voted for it. 

 

• ‘It’s no better than Theresa May’s deal’ Charles Lea, 73, from Lancashire, is exasperated. “This deal is a complete and an utter sellout. Right now, we’re still in the EU

 

• ‘I’m glad a no-deal was avoided, but I weep silently’ Teresa Curtis, 64, from Stockport, a retired midwife, health visitor and university lecturer, is glad a deal has been reached, but has strong reservations.“Whilst I certainly did not relish a no-deal scenario, I cannot see any benefit to the UK within this agreement.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/25/a-step-forward-or-a-failure-britons-react-to-the-brexit-deal

 

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Edited December 25, 2020 by Hi from France

[puipuitom]

14 hours ago, JonnyF said:

How do you vote for the EU Commission? They are the ones that initiate EU laws.

 

Or is Belgium not subject to EU law?

Do you vote for... the government employees, who work at every ministries ? The management of the Bank of England ?  The Olympic Committe ? The Fifa ? Or even the UN representatives ?

Remind: the EU is an Union of Nations, NOT a country, NOT a representation of the citizens. Pity, you British did not learn that in the nearly 60 years as member state.

 

Therefore, the real decision body is the EU council, consisting of the heads of government of the EU m,ember states, like... the PM of the UK.

Then we have an EXECUTIVE board, with one appointee - a kind of minister- by each of the EU member states, with as present president Mrs Ursula von der Leyen, who may come with suggestions, even draft laws and draft trade agreements as now between the UK and the EU, under the framework given by the EU Council, and may EXECUTE the laws and agreements accepted by the EU council and ratified by the EU parliament, but that's about it.

 

In other EU countries, we vote for a party, seen their program, and give a mandate to that party to do the best for the whole country. They also have a mandate, to give a task to the best person they can find, like.. a Frenchman, Mr Barrier, to negotiate with ... the UK.   

In the UK, you vote for a person, being the representative of a party in that constituency, and who gets just one vote more than the other candidates, get THAT seat. The rest get nothing.  That person is dependent on winning again the most votes, so.. will her/his utmost for the constituency, the hack the best for the nation. So, 50%+1 seats, gathered by 1 vote more as the others in the same barony/constituency, you in the UK from the House of Commons, out of which the winning party forms a government. The others, who might win the popular vote by far.. get nothing. Out of the elected, wise of as stupid as an ash, specialist or just an amateur, the ministers and negotiators are elected again.

The second House of Scrutiny, the House of Lords, is appointed.

 

They call that "British Democracy". 

[puipuitom]

14 hours ago, overherebc said:

It's been agreed that visas will not be needed for UK passport holders to visit the EU, but they will be limited to 90 days in any 180 days or 6 months. 

So is it going to be similar to a few years ago here where the IO has to check all the stamps and add up the days etc or rely on a computer system that will start a green/amber/red flag system on screen. 

Or maybe you will stick your passport in the auto gate and a big flashing sign will light up with

'NO ENTRY, GO BACK HOME'

????????

Nice idea for all the pensionarios having an own property in... Spain, Portugal, France etc.

[overherebc]

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Nice idea for all the pensionarios having an own property in... Spain, Portugal, France etc.

Not sure if they will re-think the idea on visas for those who own a place in the EU and do 6/6 months. As someone mentioned earlier on maybe 3/3/3/3 months or some kind of different visa.

[Bluespunk]

47 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Brexiteers, if you need a slogan on a tee-shirt or something on a little frame in your loo

 

Johnson said yesterday

 

Actually even as a non brexiteer, I’d still like one of those shirts. 

[CorpusChristie]

14 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Nice idea for all the pensionarios having an own property in... Spain, Portugal, France etc.

 

  Those already living there can stay as long as they want , those who have holiday homes there can go for three months at a time , nothing has changed .

  Those who have holiday homes there only stay for a few weeks or a few months 

[CorpusChristie]

10 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

The U.K. wasn’t in EEC, never mind a “full member”, in 1967 or 1969...

 

Ho Ho Ho 

 

  But , the UK had an entry to the Eurovision  song contest in 1967 and the UK has had an entry every year since 1959

[pegman]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Never mind the S.American beef, wait to you see what the US agricultural industry does to British farming.

It will frankenfoodify it. Yum, Yum steroids and hormones. 

[CorpusChristie]

11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems many Brexiters want that their home country is protected against all those bad foreigners and the bad foreign influence.

And this being a forum mostly for people living in Thailand many of those Brexiters also demand that they can live in Thailand without any restrictions. They don't like visa regulation, property restrictions, etc.

Summary: Give me everything I want everywhere in this world. And restrict all those others. What an interesting philosophy...

 

  We, foreigners in Thailand cannot own land , cannot work at any job , need to have an income , need to jump through numerous ever changing hoops to get visas  , yes, we dont like that, that the way it is .

  Thailand protects itself from foreigners , why shouldnt the UK do likewise ?

[Bluespunk]

20 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  But , the UK had an entry to the Eurovision  song contest in 1967 and the UK has had an entry every year since 1959

Yes, that was my point

 

Sheesh...

[Bluespunk]

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  We, foreigners in Thailand cannot own land , cannot work at any job , need to have an income , need to jump through numerous ever changing hoops to get visas  , yes, we dont like that, that the way it is .

  Thailand protects itself from foreigners , why shouldnt the UK do likewise ?

I had a job in Thailand for 14 years, quite legally and will do so again once my contract ends where I am currently resident. 

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Yes, that was my point

 

Sheesh...

 

   For Countries to enter the Eurovsion song  contest these days, the Countries just have to show the contest live on National television .

  Im not too sure about the 1950's and 60's .

Different World back then 

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   For Countries to enter the Eurovsion song  contest these days, the Countries just have to show the contest live on National television .

  Im not too sure about the 1950's and 60's .

Different World back then 

I know you do not have to be in the eu to enter the contest. That was my point...

Edited December 25, 2020 by Bluespunk

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I had a job in Thailand for 14 years, quite legally and will do so again once my contract ends where I am currently resident. 

 

  What job have you been doing ?

A job that requires a University degree or cheap manual labour ?