UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[sandyf]

14 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Suggest you read the quote from the guardian again

“This is a very bad deal for Scotland, which will terminate our membership of the EU, rip us out of the world’s largest single market and customs union, end our freedom of movement rights, 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/27/snp-confirms-vote-against-extreme-tory-brexit-deal

 

No UK membership of the EU was terminated   at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020

What is the Brexit transition period?

The Brexit transition is the period agreed in the UK–EU Withdrawal Agreement in which the UK is no longer a member of the EU but remains a member of the single market and customs union. During that time, it will continue to be subject to EU rules. The transition period started immediately after the UK left the EU on 31 January 2020.

 

The EU said it will not negotiate details of new arrangements with the UK until it ceased to be an EU member. The transition period is designed to provide time for that new relationship to be agreed while ensuring that business will only need to adapt to non-EU rules once the future deal is agreed.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-transition-period

Good distraction, why not just answer the question.

[transam]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You don’t need to ‘chastise the working class with Scorpions’, you’ve got Brexit reality v the Brexit pipe dream they were promised.

Great isn't it, stop worrying about it, we can all crack on now......

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

Good distraction, why not just answer the question.

Because my post which you quoted was about membership not current trading relationship

[JonnyF]

7 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Blackford's talking about this trade agreement.

 

But as you obviously have no argument to counter his points, you have to pick up on one very minor one. 

 

UK membership has been in a transitional period since 31/1/20, which means effectively we have still been a member.

 

 

Well the alternative to this deal is No Deal, so Blackford is voting for No Deal after all. What a turn up for the books, he'll be voting to stop devolution next ????.

 

The only way you moaners will be happy is if we use article 49 to rejoin. Which I suspect is where your screen name came from.

[kingdong]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You don’t need to ‘chastise the working class with Scorpions’, 

Cause you won,t,keir stammer and momentum will do that if they get in.anyway don,t worry we,re out now,put it behind you,get with the programme and raise your glass to nigel and boris,lets hope nigel gets recognition in the new years honour list.and a national holiday to celebrate brexit occurring. p,s i treated myself to a " peaky blinders cap" a couple of months ago but exeruy time i go to diff,( or did you mean doff ) it i cut my fingers,any suggestions?

[stevenl]

9 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

You know full well (as it's been said on here a million times) Cameron and Osborne repeated over and over again that leaving the EU would mean leaving the Single Market. <snip>

So Remainers are your source for information on brexit. Why not listen to tjhe brexiteers, who were all saying 'project fear, we'll leave the EU but remain in the single market'.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So Remainers are your source for information on brexit. Why not listen to tjhe brexiteers, who were all saying 'project fear, we'll leave the EU but remain in the single market'.

Does it matter, I mean, Brexit is done, it doesn't matter who said what where, now.  ????

[stevenl]

33 minutes ago, transam said:

Does it matter, I mean, Brexit is done, it doesn't matter who said what where, now.  ????

Why don't you ask the person I responded to.

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Because my post which you quoted was about membership not current trading relationship

No it wasn't, it was about this statement posted by 7by7.

 

"Blackford's talking about this trade agreement."

 

Now just answer the question - in case you have conveniently forgotten.

 

"Tell us when do you think Scotland's trading relationship with the EU changed?"

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

No it wasn't, it was about this statement posted by 7by7.

 

"Blackford's talking about this trade agreement."

 

Now just answer the question - in case you have conveniently forgotten.

 

"Tell us when do you think Scotland's trading relationship with the EU changed?"

As stated Because my post which you quoted was about membership not current trading relationship

As for anything posted by 7by7 you will need to ask 7by7

[Hi from France]

The Observer Op-ed notes there's an upside to the present deal

 

Quote

The UK will win some new autonomies. It will be able to approve the use of hi-tech products – from drones to new medicines – faster, which, if used cleverly, will benefit those fast-growing industries. There will be a baby trade deal with the US.

Interestingly to take advantage of this newfound agility, the UK will now need to.. 

Quote

But, in the biggest irony of all, if this is to benefit British capitalism it will require a makeover – to become more high investment and stakeholder-oriented, working closely with government. It will have to look… more European.

Become more European 

 

????

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/27/take-solace-in-this-brexit-deal-it-is-so-terrible-it-will-ultimately-bring-us-back-to-the-eu

[7by7]

16 hours ago, vinny41 said:

No UK membership of the EU was terminated   at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020

What is the Brexit transition period?

The Brexit transition is the period agreed in the UK–EU Withdrawal Agreement in which the UK is no longer a member of the EU but remains a member of the single market and customs union. During that time, it will continue to be subject to EU rules. The transition period started immediately after the UK left the EU on 31 January 2020.

 

The EU said it will not negotiate details of new arrangements with the UK until it ceased to be an EU member. The transition period is designed to provide time for that new relationship to be agreed while ensuring that business will only need to adapt to non-EU rules once the future deal is agreed.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-transition-period

 

If you wish to prove me wrong, and from your first word it seems that you do, expanding upon and confirming what I posted is not the way to go about it!

 

In an attempt to enlighten you further, I refer you to my use of the word 'effectively' in my post.

[7by7]

16 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

You know full well (as it's been said on here a million times) Cameron and Osborne repeated over and over again that leaving the EU would mean leaving the Single Market.

 Yes, I do know that. I also know that those warnings were labelled 'Project Fear' by Vote.Leave!

 

Indeed, you, yourself call Cameron the leader of Project Fear!

13 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

I think you're confused. Cameron was the leader of project fear. I suggest you read the comments again. 

 

16 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Vote leave gave examples of countries who were not EU members but benefitted from the SM. Anyone who paid attention to the campaign would have known we'd most likely end up with something in between - which we have.

As shown time and time again, Vote.Leave made numerous claims that after leaving the EU we would still have unfettered access to the single market: which no other country had and this deal does not give us.

 

16 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

As for law enforcement, we dealt with that a few pages back. 

Indeed. But we have lost much and the warnings in 2016 that we would so do were dismissed by Leavers as 'Project Fear.' 

 

16 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

It was the projected catastrophic impact of leaving the EU that was labelled project fear rather than the intricate details. 

No. In 2016, every warning by Remain of the benefits we would lose by leaving were dismissed by Leave as part of 'Project Fear.'

 

Yes, some of the warnings and projections by Remain were wrong; but most have proven to be true.

[7by7]

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Hilarious.

 

No; but you are often mildly amusing.

[vinny41]

31 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

If you wish to prove me wrong, and from your first word it seems that you do, expanding upon and confirming what I posted is not the way to go about it!

 

In an attempt to enlighten you further, I refer you to my use of the word 'effectively' in my post.

 

Suggest you read the quote from the guardian again

“This is a very bad deal for Scotland, which will terminate our membership of the EU, rip us out of the world’s largest single market and customs union, end our freedom of movement rights, 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/27/snp-confirms-vote-against-extreme-tory-brexit-deal

 

No UK membership of the EU was terminated   at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020

 

I have no interest in your opinion thanks but my post was about what Ian Blackford stated and he stated "This is a very bad deal for Scotland, which will terminate our membership of the EU" which clearly is incorrect as UK membership of the EU was terminated   at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020

 

[7by7]

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Well the alternative to this deal is No Deal, so Blackford is voting for No Deal after all.

I doubt it; I expect that he, like others opposed to this deal, want an extension so a better deal can be negotiated.

 

However, despite rumblings from the Tory ERG (Don't celebrate yet! Anti-EU Spartans at the ERG are STILL deciding whether or not to back Boris's deal) as Labour are likely to vote for this deal as the best of a bad lot, it'll probably pass even if the ERG, Lib Dems, SNP, DUP etc. do vote against.

 

But with the Labour rebels over fishing ("Up to 20 Labour MPs are on track to leave Sir Keir Starmer red-faced as they vow to defy his call to vote for the EU trade deal in his biggest Brexit showdown since becoming the party's leader." [Source]) nothing is certain.

 

Of course, if Parliament does reject this deal and send Boris back to the EU to beg for an extension and reopening of negotiations, there is no guarantee that they wont simply refuse and say that it's this deal or no deal.

 

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The only way you moaners will be happy is if we use article 49 to rejoin. Which I suspect is where your screen name came from.

 

A quick look at my avatar and my joining date will prove your suspicions unfounded.

 

If that's not enough:

 

[nauseus]

20 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

No; but you are often mildly amusing.

 

It gives me pleasure to entertain. Far more preferable than being an interminable misery.

[7by7]

4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

As stated Because my post which you quoted was about membership not current trading relationship

As for anything posted by 7by7 you will need to ask 7by7

 Your post in question was a direct response to mine.

 

I have dealt with it here: 

 

[7by7]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

 

Suggest you read the quote from the guardian again

“This is a very bad deal for Scotland, which will terminate our membership of the EU, rip us out of the world’s largest single market and customs union, end our freedom of movement rights, 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/27/snp-confirms-vote-against-extreme-tory-brexit-deal

 

No UK membership of the EU was terminated   at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020

 

I have no interest in your opinion thanks but my post was about what Ian Blackford stated and he stated "This is a very bad deal for Scotland, which will terminate our membership of the EU" which clearly is incorrect as UK membership of the EU was terminated   at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020

 

 

Have you heard of the expression "When you're in a hole, stop digging?

 

You'd do well to learn from it.

 

If you have no interest in my opinion, why do you spend so much time and effort writing posts in attempts to prove me wrong?

Edited December 28, 2020 by 7by7
Addendum

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Have you heard of the expression "When you're in a hole, stop digging?

 

You'd do well to learn from it.

 

If you have no interest in my opinion, why do you spend so much time and effort writing posts in attempts to prove me wrong?

I am not making any attempt to prove you wrong and as far as I am concerned I stand by what I posted  as being completely correct

I will posted again just for you

Suggest you read the quote from the guardian again

“This is a very bad deal for Scotland, which will terminate our membership of the EU, rip us out of the world’s largest single market and customs union, end our freedom of movement rights, 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/27/snp-confirms-vote-against-extreme-tory-brexit-deal

No UK membership of the EU was terminated   at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020

 

[CG1 Blue]

38 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Yes, some of the warnings and projections by Remain were wrong; but most have proven to be true.

Let's have a list of the warnings and projections by Remain that have proven to be true then please. Please use facts only and not more projections, and please only include things that can be 100% attributed to Brexit. 

[evadgib]

5 hours ago, vinny41 said:

As stated Because my post which you quoted was about membership not current trading relationship

As for anything posted by 7by7 you will need to ask 7by7

Not necessarily; Hi from France is one of several using that same keyboard.

HTH ????

Edited December 28, 2020 by evadgib

[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

I doubt it; I expect that he, like others opposed to this deal, want an extension so a better deal can be negotiated.

 

However, despite rumblings from the Tory ERG (Don't celebrate yet! Anti-EU Spartans at the ERG are STILL deciding whether or not to back Boris's deal) as Labour are likely to vote for this deal as the best of a bad lot, it'll probably pass even if the ERG, Lib Dems, SNP, DUP etc. do vote against.

 

But with the Labour rebels over fishing ("Up to 20 Labour MPs are on track to leave Sir Keir Starmer red-faced as they vow to defy his call to vote for the EU trade deal in his biggest Brexit showdown since becoming the party's leader." [Source]) nothing is certain.

 

Of course, if Parliament does reject this deal and send Boris back to the EU to beg for an extension and reopening of negotiations, there is no guarantee that they wont simply refuse and say that it's this deal or no deal.

by the way, I'm not even sure that a (very unlikely) "no" vote in the British parliament would block the deal?

 

 

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

A quick look at my avatar and my joining date will prove your suspicions unfounded.

 

If that's not enough:

 

ahaha Hawkwind, as far as progressive rock and british bands I preferred Marillion ???? 

 

 

 

[dunroaming]

So all 27 EU countries passed the deal unanimously, even France seemed happy with the outcome.  I am reserving judgement until we get the proper details rather than the government spin.  Then I can decide if it is better to bring back my business base to the UK or keep it in mainland Europe.

[7by7]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

<snip>

I am not making any attempt to prove you wrong

Yet you still continue to try!

 

As for the rest; I have no desire to repeat myself, so in true Parliamentary fashion; I refer you to the answer I gave previously.

[Hi from France]

25 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

So all 27 EU countries passed the deal unanimously, even France seemed happy with the outcome.  I am reserving judgement until we get the proper details rather than the government spin.  

yep

 

 

and French fishermen seem relieved (fr)

https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2020/12/28/brexit-le-soulagement-des-pecheurs-francais_6064627_3210.html

 

 

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Yet you still continue to try!

 

As for the rest; I have no desire to repeat myself, so in true Parliamentary fashion; I refer you to the answer I gave previously.

As stated

What is the Brexit transition period?

The Brexit transition is the period agreed in the UK–EU Withdrawal Agreement in which the UK is no longer a member of the EU but remains a member of the single market and customs union. During that time, it will continue to be subject to EU rules. The transition period started immediately after the UK left the EU on 31 January 2020.

 

The EU said it will not negotiate details of new arrangements with the UK until it ceased to be an EU member. The transition period is designed to provide time for that new relationship to be agreed while ensuring that business will only need to adapt to non-EU rules once the future deal is agreed.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-transition-period

 

from the EU point of view the UK ceased to be an EU member 31 January 2020., The UK Goverment stated that the UK ceased to be a member of the EU 31 January 2020

So anyone that thinks the Uk is still a member of the EU is living in cloud cuckoo land

 

 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Let's have a list of the warnings and projections by Remain that have proven to be true then please. Please use facts only and not more projections, and please only include things that can be 100% attributed to Brexit. 

 

Off the top of my head:

1. We will lose unfettered access to the single market.
2. We will leave the customs union.
3. As a result of No. 2, exporters to the EU will require more paperwork, leading to inevitable delays at ports such as Dover
4. We will lose the bargaining power of a trade bloc consisting of 28 nations.
5. We will lose the cross border cooperation that comes from being a member of Europol.
6. We will lose access to the EIEM.
7. We will lose access to the SIS.
8. British citizens who wish to study, work or retire in the EU will lose the automatic right to so do.
9. British tourists holidaying in the EU will lose the free health insurance via the EHI card.
10. British tourists will also lose the benefit of the EU restrictions on mobile roaming charges.

If you want more; Google is your friend.

[dunroaming]

1 minute ago, Hi from France said:

yep

 

 

and French fishermen seem relieved (fr)

https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2020/12/28/brexit-le-soulagement-des-pecheurs-francais_6064627_3210.html

 

 

It would seem that the EU held their ground on most points but as I said I reserve judgement until we get the facts.  Gove warned today that there would be disruption and that "some" smaller businesses are not yet prepared for the changes.

[7by7]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Not necessarily; Hi from France is one of several using that same keyboard.

HTH ????

 Yet again, lacking an adult comment you resort to pathetic accusations.

 

If you believe I am breaking the forum rules by using multiple log ins; take your accusations, and evidence, to the Mods.