UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[bannork]

1 minute ago, candide said:

(1) That's the exports figure for goods only. Add exports of services and you get £294.3 billion (225.5 in 2015), so it's 13.3% of GDP. Not that small contribution.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/551045/united-kingdom-uk-exports-of-goods-and-services-to-eu/

(2) Economic growth is higher outside EU. However, in any case, It's still better to export to BOTH EU and non-EU zones.

And as yet there is no deal on services.

[CG1 Blue]

Oh dear, the remainers and Europhiles are going to be livid about this...

 

Brexit: Nissan commits to keep making cars in Sunderland

Japanese car maker Nissan has told the BBC its Sunderland plant is secure for the long term as a result of the trade deal reached between the UK and the EU.

It said it will move additional battery production close to the plant where it has 6,000 direct employees and supports nearly 70,000 jobs in the supply chain.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757930

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Oh dear, the remainers and Europhiles are going to be livid about this...

“remainers and Europhiles” are the people who kept telling you that no-deal would be a disaster, right? 
 

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

as a result of the trade deal reached

 

 

[Loiner]

27 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

“remainers and Europhiles” are the people who kept telling you that no-deal would be a disaster, right? 
 

 

You’re right, but they’re wrong. Just another of their prognostications. They’ve been wrong on everything else so far. 

[Loiner]

10 hours ago, bannork said:

I see Roger Daltrey, a Brexit supporter has added his name to a petition asking the government to ensure UK musicians can travel visa free when touring Europe. The EU had indeed offered such a reciprocal proposal but it had been rejected by the UK fearing free movement of people.

You silly billy Roger, voting to damage your own profession. Won't get fooled again, eh?

His name on a petition is nothing. You Better You Bet that he is still a strong Brexiteer. Who Are You to imagine that Tommy would change? Well, I Can't Explain. You see he's one of My Generation and like the rest of us, he's a Happy Jack. If he doesn't want a visa to tour, he can always send a Substitute.

[Tofer]

1 hour ago, candide said:

(1) That's the exports figure for goods only. Add exports of services and you get £294.3 billion (225.5 in 2015), so it's 13.3% of GDP. Not that small contribution.

 

I was responding to a statistic on trade goods figures. The arrangements for services have not yet been finalised anyway.

 

1 hour ago, candide said:

Economic growth is higher outside EU. However, in any case, It's still better to export to BOTH EU and non-EU zones.

 

I agree, which is exactly what we are now doing, all now under our terms of trade deal agreements, free of EU stipulations to non-EU zones.

[melvinmelvin]

interesting;

I just bought an electrical cable on www from a French firm,

halfway through the process I switched to the English lingo (my French is getting somewhat rusty now)

 

immediately the software flashed up in red and screamed at me

 

Due to the current difficulties with shipments to the UK we cannot take any orders

for shipments to the UK.

 

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Oh dear, the remainers and Europhiles are going to be livid about this...

 

Brexit: Nissan commits to keep making cars in Sunderland

Japanese car maker Nissan has told the BBC its Sunderland plant is secure for the long term as a result of the trade deal reached between the UK and the EU.

It said it will move additional battery production close to the plant where it has 6,000 direct employees and supports nearly 70,000 jobs in the supply chain.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757930

 

On the contrary, as a remainer and europhile I welcome this news. Let's hope that Vauxhall follows suit.

[bannork]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

His name on a petition is nothing. You Better You Bet that he is still a strong Brexiteer. Who Are You to imagine that Tommy would change? Well, I Can't Explain. You see he's one of My Generation and like the rest of us, he's a Happy Jack. If he doesn't want a visa to tour, he can always send a Substitute.

Who Are You? Who knows what lies Behind those Blue Eyes? Do You Think it's Alright to assume he's still a Brexiteer? Roger can See For Miles, perhaps as far as France and now he's  missing Europe. Perhaps he wants To Join Together and no longer believes in the Magic red Bus 

[david555]

4 hours ago, bannork said:

And as yet there is no deal on services.

And expect IF any ....it shall be a limited & temporary one .....

You know ...a lever crowbar if needed...????

 

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Oh dear, the remainers and Europhiles are going to be livid about this...

 

Brexit: Nissan commits to keep making cars in Sunderland

Japanese car maker Nissan has told the BBC its Sunderland plant is secure for the long term as a result of the trade deal reached between the UK and the EU.

It said it will move additional battery production close to the plant where it has 6,000 direct employees and supports nearly 70,000 jobs in the supply chain.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757930

Au contraire, remainers and europhiles wish the best for the UK, which is why they're remainers and europhiles.

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Au contraire, remainers and europhiles wish the best for the UK, which is why they're remainers and europhiles.

Some of them spend most of their days trying to dig up negative Brexit stories. Even obscure and meaningless ones. That doesn't strike me as wanting the best for the UK. More like sour grapes. 

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Who Are You? Who knows what lies Behind those Blue Eyes? Do You Think it's Alright to assume he's still a Brexiteer? Roger can See For Miles, perhaps as far as France and now he's  missing Europe. Perhaps he wants To Join Together and no longer believes in the Magic red Bus 

Rather than speculate here are the words from Roger himself

Roger Daltrey says he's not changed his opinion on the EU and is "glad to be free of Brussels", despite signing an open letter calling on the government to urgently establish visa-free travel for musicians.

https://news.sky.com/story/roger-daltrey-responds-to-backlash-over-post-brexit-music-touring-comments-12194421

 

[pagan1]

It will be interesting to see the size of grant promised to Nissan. Having suggested that they would close Sunderland when faced with the loss of the Single Market and Customs Union they suddenly went very quiet. Hopefully the information will be made public or will it be hidden for several years along with the details of the trade agreements this government is making. So much for open government. 

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, RayC said:

 

On the contrary, as a remainer and europhile I welcome this news. Let's hope that Vauxhall follows suit.

I'm glad you welcome this news. I didn't see any of you remainers and Europhiles posting the news on here though...I wonder why that is ????

[kingdong]

On 1/21/2021 at 1:25 PM, Surelynot said:

Yes I can see him filling in paper work to tour...... what a small lump of butter his is.

He knows which side of his bread is buttered

[bannork]

28 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Rather than speculate here are the words from Roger himself

Roger Daltrey says he's not changed his opinion on the EU and is "glad to be free of Brussels", despite signing an open letter calling on the government to urgently establish visa-free travel for musicians.

https://news.sky.com/story/roger-daltrey-responds-to-backlash-over-post-brexit-music-touring-comments-12194421

 

Do You Think it's Alright for Roger to want free travel for UK musicians within the EU? Presumably EU musicians will demand the same right in the UK.

'We're Not Going To Take It' was the response from some members of the present government.

 

[RayC]

34 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I'm glad you welcome this news. I didn't see any of you remainers and Europhiles posting the news on here though...I wonder why that is ????

 

I wasn't aware of the news. What would be the point in duplicating your post?

 

What more do you want? I still think that Brexit is a bad idea, but I hope to be proved wrong.

 

I also hope that the EU member states are successful. Care to echo that sentiment yourself, and call on your fellow Brexiters to do the same?

[stevenl]

24 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

I wasn't aware of the news. What would be the point in duplicating your post?

 

What more do you want? I still think that Brexit is a bad idea, but I hope to be proved wrong.

 

I also hope that the EU member states are successful. Care to echo that sentiment yourself, and call on your fellow Brexiters to do the same?

I'll echo.

[RayC]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I'll echo.

 

Thank you, Steve. However, unless you have suddenly changed sides(?), you were not part of my target audience.  My invitation was directed at our Brexit supporting friends.

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

 

I wasn't aware of the news. What would be the point in duplicating your post?

 

What more do you want? I still think that Brexit is a bad idea, but I hope to be proved wrong.

 

I also hope that the EU member states are successful. Care to echo that sentiment yourself, and call on your fellow Brexiters to do the same?

My point is your guys seem to have no trouble finding all these obscure bits of negative news. But when there's positive news (which by the way is plastered all over the mainstream news sites), not a peep. 

I wish all EU countries success. I don't wish the EU institution in it's current form success because I don't think it deserves it. 

[bkkcanuck8]

3 hours ago, bannork said:

Do You Think it's Alright for Roger to want free travel for UK musicians within the EU? Presumably EU musicians will demand the same right in the UK.

'We're Not Going To Take It' was the response from some members of the present government.

 

Yes, very hypocritical - one of the major reasons of leaving the EU is to end the free movement of people/labour... yet as a musician he wants his industry to have special 'free movement'...  it takes all types.

 

These Brexiters keep on saying it should be like Switzerland - a frictionless border... but although Switzerland is not part of the EU they are part of the common market .. they are also part of Shengen...  (and laws passed in the EU are implemented in Switzerland through a patchwork of some 100+ agreements... sort of like being in the EU but without any say in the government).

Edited January 22, 2021 by bkkcanuck8

[Loiner]

2 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Yes, very hypocritical - one of the major reasons of leaving the EU is to end the free movement of people/labour... yet as a musician he wants his industry to have special 'free movement'...  it takes all types.

Roger will have to get a visa like all the rest. No free movement for rock stars, or all the accordion players who have emerged to block our city centre streets and vacant shop doorways. The dossers can't sleep for all the noise.

[candide]

48 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

My point is your guys seem to have no trouble finding all these obscure bits of negative news. But when there's positive news (which by the way is plastered all over the mainstream news sites), not a peep. 

I wish all EU countries success. I don't wish the EU institution in it's current form success because I don't think it deserves it. 

Of course, there is a satisfaction or dissatisfaction from being proven right or wrong in our forum debates. Whatever the side we choose, we tend to put forward the information which supports our position. That's why there is a debate. It does not mean that people losing their jobs, etc.. makes anyone happy.

 

As for the EU institution, as well as the Brexit proponents, they deserve their successes and failures

Edited January 22, 2021 by candide

[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

My point is your guys seem to have no trouble finding all these obscure bits of negative news. But when there's positive news (which by the way is plastered all over the mainstream news sites), not a peep.

Well most Brexiteers here have nothing to contribute beside cynical one-liners. But you can take part with sourced, non-tabloid, good news about Brexit. 

 

 

Have not seen any positive news for a while but here is one I just found, that you can submit for debate

 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

[Hi from France]

MEPs ask if Scotland, Wales can rejoin Erasmus student program

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Citing “a pronounced aspiration coming from Scotland and Wales” to take part, the letter asks the Commission whether it could see a “pathway” for the involvement of students and young professionals in the two British nations.

https://www.politico.eu/article/meps-push-to-welcome-scotland-and-wales-back-in-erasmus-mobility-scheme/

 

So while England is out Scotland and Wales could stay in? 

[bkkcanuck8]

12 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Well most Brexiteers here have nothing to contribute beside cynical one-liners. But you can take part with sourced, non-tabloid, good news about Brexit. 

 

 

Have not seen any positive news for a while but here is one I just found, that you can submit for debate

 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

 

Since trade in goods are covered -- as long as the goods include enough content from EU/UK to be covered by the trade agreement (in this case adding battery manufacture in the UK or EU would suffice) then they can be imported duty free to the EU.    Basically the EU/UK trade agreement, where the manufacturers are of hard goods and can meet content requirements, are large enough that the additional red-tape import/export (i.e. Nissan is likely both the importer and exporter so they don't have to worry about the impact to customers in the EU) then there is going to be little change (and in some edge cases can be beneficial - or at least a standstill).  The losers though are the service industry and any vendor or manufacturer which is selling directly to customers from the UK.

[Hi from France]

UK overseas territories are loosing UK protection and are on their way to the tax havens blacklist 

 

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The European parliament is pushing for UK overseas territories including the British Virgin Islands, Guernsey and Jersey to be added to an EU tax havens blacklist after the conclusion of the Brexit deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/22/meps-vote-to-add-channel-and-british-virgin-islands-to-tax-haven-blacklist

 

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Robert Palmer, the director of the Tax Justice UK campaign group, said: “Post-Brexit the UK tax havens have lost their protector within the corridors of Brussels. I’d expect to see the EU to ramp up pressure on places like Jersey to clean up their act. The UK itself has been warned that if the government tries a Singapore-on-Thames approach, with a bonfire of regulations and taxes, then the EU will act swiftly.”

 

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The push to expand the blacklist comes amid criticism from MEPs that the current version excludes many locations widely regarded as tax havens, including the Cayman Islands.

If my memory serves me well, the Cayman Islands is where Google declares 14bn profits (with one employee living here). 

 

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Edited January 22, 2021 by Hi from France

[bkkcanuck8]

21 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

UK overseas territories are loosing UK protection and are on their way to the tax havens blacklist 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/22/meps-vote-to-add-channel-and-british-virgin-islands-to-tax-haven-blacklist

 

 

If my memory serves me well, the Cayman Islands is where Google declares 14bn profits (with one employee living here). 

 

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That was expected as the UK overseas territories have been protected by UK being part of the EU up until this point (if UK was not there the rules would have been tightened before now)...   As far as I am concerned... this is not a bad development... so a Brexit benefit of sorts.  There has been a push (starting with the US) requiring cross country reporting of foreign holdings to the account holders country of citizenship/birth...  I have implemented a lot of functionality to handle this for US accounts to systems (there is more required reporting each year as it is phased in).  I think there are around 20 countries that have been pushing a common system for their citizens accounts as well.

Edited January 22, 2021 by bkkcanuck8

[Hi from France]

57 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

That was expected as the UK overseas territories have been protected by UK being part of the EU up until this point (if UK was not there the rules would have been tightened before now)...   As far as I am concerned... this is not a bad development... so a Brexit benefit of sorts.  There has been a push (starting with the US) requiring cross country reporting of foreign holdings to the account holders country of citizenship/birth...  I have implemented a lot of functionality to handle this for US accounts to systems (there is more required reporting each year as it is phased in).  I think there are around 20 countries that have been pushing a common system for their citizens accounts as well.

The EU’s blacklist is an attempt to clamp down on the estimated £506bn lost to aggressive tax avoidance every year

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/13/eu-to-put-cayman-islands-on-tax-haven-blacklist

 

a good share of that is due to HM Revenue & Customs