U.S. government heads toward chaotic end to 2020 as Trump fights Congress

[Pattaya Spotter]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Did you not say this?

 

I don't care what "millions" of Americans think...I want my 2k!

 

What happen now that your President has gone soft and sign the original bill. You disappointed that his leadership was all sham and fake and you wouldn't get your 2K. You are hilarious. 

No I'm sorry for the covid relief payments for the bargirls of Pattaya...it's gone down from 60,000 baht to 18,000 ????????????

[Pattaya Spotter]

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Trump = chaos.

 

He just signed the bipartisan $600 payment relief bill he himself called "a disgrace" last week, with all the foreign aid funding that his administration first proposed and then derided.

 

Unfortunately, we all know who the disgrace is here, and he's soon headed for the presidential unemployment line.

 

In Palm Beach...I'd bet it's a red carpet line with a velvet rope ????????????

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16 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Nope...it's called having a nimble and flexible mind and when information or the situation changes one can change their mind. It's you who seem pretty rigid in your thinking.

And what changed? 

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

In Palm Beach...I'd bet it's a red carpet line with a velvet rope ????????????

Palm Beach doesn't want him.  Smart people there.  Maybe you should send a donation to his super PAC to help with his house hunting.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/trump-mar-a-lago-neighbors-dispute/2020/12/15/bc2ce1d0-3ed4-11eb-9453-fc36ba051781_story.html

Mar-a-Lago neighbors to Trump: Spend your post-presidency elsewhere

[Tug]

Glad he did sign looks like a lot of Americans won’t be de homed and broke 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

58 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Nope...I trust his judgment and leadership in signing the bill; the President decided it's the best way forward for the moment. So sorry to disappoint you that I'm not disappointed. 

 

Must be pretty confusing and complicated to be a Trump supporter...

 

Just a couple hours ago you were telling the forum:

 

 

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Hold out for 2k and all will be okay.

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And now suddenly, WHOOSH, Trump decided signing the $600 payments bill he derided last week as "a disgrace" is the best way forward???

 

I think only a "stable genius" can come up with those kinds of mental gymnastics.

 

[J Town]

3 hours ago, candide said:

There's a French expression which would characterise well his behavior: "Après moi, le déluge" 

Basic translation and story behind it:

“who cares what happens after we’re gone?"

What does 'apres moi le deluge' mean in English? - Quora

[Pattaya Spotter]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Must be pretty confusing and complicated to be a Trump supporter...

 

Just a couple hours ago you were telling the forum:

 

 

 

And now suddenly, WHOOSH, Trump decided signing the $600 payments bill he derided last week as "a disgrace" is the best way forward???

 

I think only a "stable genius" can come up with those kinds of mental gymnastics.

 

No...exciting. That's why he was elected...to make these decisions and you and I weren't. 

[tomazbodner]

Maybe he realised that in less than a month he would be irrelevant and Joe would sign it anyway so he would not have achieved anything, having lost support of the Republican party.

 

This was likely an attempt to gain some "I'm fighting for the people, people!" brownie points for his presidential bid in 2024 and realised this could bite him back. He might be rude, erratic, bullyish... but he ain't stupid. And there are enough voters out there to give him a chance at getting back in office in 2024 as long as he stays in media spotlight for the next 4 years and does enough damage for the next administration to achieve nothing by next elections. Quite smart, actually. Though extremely damaging to the country and the people.

[J Town]

Just now, tomazbodner said:

Maybe he realized that in less than a month he would be irrelevant and Joe would sign it anyway so he would not have achieved anything, having lost support of the Republican party.

Biden has said more than once he intends to put in place a proper relief package like all the other countries which are acting like adults once in office.

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3 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

No...exciting. That's why he was elected...to make these decisions and you and I weren't. 

 Do you understand that your line of argument applies to every president?

[Walker88]

I think 45 signed because he needed the $600. It's ironic, but because he loses money, he would qualify for the stimulus check, whereas anyone who is doing well does not qualify and won't receive any money.

[Berkshire]

1 minute ago, tomazbodner said:

Maybe he realised that in less than a month he would be irrelevant and Joe would sign it anyway so he would not have achieved anything, having lost support of the Republican party.

 

This was likely an attempt to gain some "I'm fighting for the people, people!" brownie points for his presidential bid in 2024 and realised this could bite him back. He might be rude, erratic, bullyish... but he ain't stupid. And there are enough voters out there to give him a chance at getting back in office in 2024 as long as he stays in media spotlight for the next 4 years and does enough damage for the next administration to achieve nothing by next elections. Quite smart, actually. Though extremely damaging to the country and the people.

You're thinking that Trump makes long term strategic decisions....?  5555  I think Trump just likes to be the center of attention...not to mention getting back at the "RINO's" who don't support his delusional voter fraud claims.  So now Trump will take all the credit for doing absolutely nothing putting this bill together.  Typical Trump.

[onthedarkside]

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[Fat is a type of crazy]

15 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

No...exciting. That's why he was elected...to make these decisions and you and I weren't. 

Do you think maybe Trump used to watch Lost in Space and thought your avatar Dr Smith was a perfect role model. Arrogant, lazy, narcissistic, cowardly, greedy, sowing chaos, blaming others for each mistake. Dr Smith was fun though. Trump's a bore.  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

U.S. government heads toward chaotic end to 2020 as Trump [surrenders to] Congress

 

One interesting aspect, though, is I believe the House of Reps today (Monday) was still scheduled to vote on the $2000 payments proposal that Democrats supported and Republicans opposed.

 

Now that Trump has signed the bipartisan $600 direct payments bill, wonder what's gonna happen to the standalone $2000 payments bill, and what if anything are Republicans in Congress going to do about going beyond the basic $600 amount???

 

My bet... Nothing!

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1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

U.S. government heads toward chaotic end to 2020 as Trump [surrenders to] Congress

 

One interesting aspect, though, is I believe the House of Reps today (Monday) was still scheduled to vote on the $2000 payments proposal that Democrats supported and Republicans opposed.

 

Now that Trump has signed the bipartisan $600 direct payments bill, wonder what's gonna happen to the standalone $2000 payments bill, and what if anything are Republicans in Congress going to do about going beyond the basic $600 amount???

 

My bet... Nothing!

Well, for one thing, it may be changed to a $1400 per person stimilus bill.

[Jeffr2]

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

U.S. government heads toward chaotic end to 2020 as Trump [surrenders to] Congress

 

One interesting aspect, though, is I believe the House of Reps today (Monday) was still scheduled to vote on the $2000 payments proposal that Democrats supported and Republicans opposed.

 

Now that Trump has signed the bipartisan $600 direct payments bill, wonder what's gonna happen to the standalone $2000 payments bill, and what if anything are Republicans in Congress going to do about going beyond the basic $600 amount???

 

My bet... Nothing!

Too many GOP senators are against it.  Never happen now that this one has been signed.  IMHO.

[RocketDog]

Feckless Leader once again putting his ineptitude and childishness on full display. 

Jan 20 cannot come soon enough. 

[Eric Loh]

31 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

U.S. government heads toward chaotic end to 2020 as Trump [surrenders to] Congress

 

One interesting aspect, though, is I believe the House of Reps today (Monday) was still scheduled to vote on the $2000 payments proposal that Democrats supported and Republicans opposed.

 

Now that Trump has signed the bipartisan $600 direct payments bill, wonder what's gonna happen to the standalone $2000 payments bill, and what if anything are Republicans in Congress going to do about going beyond the basic $600 amount???

 

My bet... Nothing!

Trump may have signed the bill but he has created only chaos by not signing few days early. The delay blown past the Saturday deadline to prevent an estimated 14 million people from temporarily losing unemployment insurance. The delay will cause millions to lose a week of benefits. His childish petulance in delaying the bill caused many people and companies to adjust their plans. The program to pay out the stimulus will be delayed as computers have to be programmed and the system organised for the payout. It is chaos for the people while Trump basked in his silly tease. 

 

The Dems will push for a House supplementary relief bill Monday but Mitch has no mentioned that he will take up the legislation. Most Kentucky GOPs caucus opposed the additional payment. Much internal turmoil in the Rep Party because of Trump's behavior. They deserved every party rift for being weak and tolerant of Trump last 4 years.  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Pelosi issued a statement AFTER Trump signed the stimulus bill, and it sounds like she's still going to have a House vote Monday on upping the total direct payments to $2000..... 

 

She also called on Trump to urge Republicans to end their obstruction and to support the $2000 direct payments proposal Trump made last week -- but I suspect the response will be.... crickets.

 

“Now, the President must immediately call on Congressional Republicans to end their obstruction and to join him and Democrats in support of our stand-alone legislation to increase direct payment checks to $2,000, which will be brought to the Floor tomorrow.  Every Republican vote against this bill is a vote to deny the financial hardship that families face and to deny the American people the relief they need.”

 

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/122720

 

Let's see how many House Republicans will vote to support $2000 total direct payments to Americans that Trump claimed to support?

 

[onthedarkside]

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[heybruce]

3 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Well, trump says that mitch will push individual bills for $2,000 (+ $ 1,400?), and Sec. 230.

Mitch McConnell being generous to individual Americans?  If Trump believes that he truly has lost touch with reality.

[ChouDoufu]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

In Palm Beach...I'd bet it's a red carpet line with a velvet rope ????????????

 

velvet?  is this a kinder and gentler punishment for treason?

[chilli42]

Putting Trump out of the picture for a moment, that aid bill is a disgrace.  The amount of money being given to those that need it is insufficient.  I would love to see Mitch and the rest of the Republican clowns live on that amount of money for a couple of months.  It is packed full of money that has nothing to do with Covid aid such as aid to foreign countries ... this of course to please Nancy and her meet band of mischief makers.  The voters would be well within their rights to be furious at both parties for playing politics with their tax dollars ... while Rome burned.

[ChouDoufu]

3 hours ago, Sujo said:

He didnt. He just signed it.

 

Trump disappoints you again,

 

yes, and the disappointment continues.

 

i expect the checks will be increased to $2000 and will be sent out at the beginning of february...

 

bearing the signature of the newly-inaugurated president.

 

 

 

so, thank you, president biden.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Newsweek, which in its current partisan form has veered noticeably pro-Trump, has an article that makes it sound like there might be a Republican effort in the Senate to tie the $2000 relief payments to Trump's initiative to remove the legal liability shield from social media companies (the Section 230 reference below).

 

"@realDonaldTrump tonight says Senate leadership has promised votes on bills to increase the #covid relief payments to $2000 for working people AND to terminate #Section230. Let's vote!" said GOP Congressman Josh Hawley of Missouri.

 

Most Republican senators, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mitch McConnell, have remained silent on Trump's sudden demand to fatten the checks. Democrats and Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, an independent, urged Trump to convince Republicans to back the measure on Sunday.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/2000-stimulus-checks-gain-momentum-republicans-democrats-press-new-vote-1557486

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, chilli42 said:

Putting Trump out of the picture for a moment, that aid bill is a disgrace.  The amount of money being given to those that need it is insufficient.  I would love to see Mitch and the rest of the Republican clowns live on that amount of money for a couple of months.  It is packed full of money that has nothing to do with Covid aid such as aid to foreign countries ... this of course to please Nancy and her meet band of mischief makers.  The voters would be well within their rights to be furious at both parties for playing politics with their tax dollars ... while Rome burned.

Our government is totally broken.  When Trump shut down the government, thousands of employees didn't get a paycheck, while member of congress, Trump, his staff and cabinet members did.  Horrible.

 

These guys also get great medical benefits while millions of Americans don't.

 

Time for a change.

[chilli42]

4 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

yes, and the disappointment continues.

 

i expect the checks will be increased to $2000 and will be sent out at the beginning of february...

 

bearing the signature of the newly-inaugurated president.

 

 

 

so, thank you, president biden.

Doesn’t that depend on the outcome of the Georgia senatorial election?  Certainly uncle Joe would look like a hero for doing as you suggest

[Jeffr2]

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Mitch McConnell being generous to individual Americans?  If Trump believes that he truly has lost touch with reality.

Those of us who've known Trump for decades already knew Trump wasn't in touch with reality.