Thailand to get 2m doses of vaccine from Feb: Anutin

[ftpjtm]

1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Your understanding is wrong. Only the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine will be provided at cost. It is also being manufactured in Thailand for distribution in the local region.

And as of now is approved based on studies showing 60% efficacy, vs 94.5% + for Pfizer and Moderna. 

 

Studies ongoing to determine if the low 1st dose regimen which achieved 90% efficacy on a young (55 yo or less) sub group is also achievable on a larger group more representative of the general population.

[shdmn]

On 12/31/2020 at 6:15 PM, vandeventer said:

If the cost is 17 usds than what will be our price? Will it be the same price for everyone?

Some vaccine makers have said they will take a dim view of anyone trying to gouge people.  That is for the western vaccines.  I do expect to see a lot of that going on with the Chinese vaccines. They are actually kind of expensive based on some of the pricing I have seen so they are clearly trying to profit from it, unlike the AstraZeneca one which they are selling at cost.

Edited January 2, 2021 by shdmn

[John Drake]

9 minutes ago, ftpjtm said:

And as of now is approved based on studies showing 60% efficacy, vs 94.5% + for Pfizer and Moderna. 

 

Studies ongoing to determine if the low 1st dose regimen which achieved 90% efficacy on a young (55 yo or less) sub group is also achievable on a larger group more representative of the general population.

 

I would like to know more about the Johnson & Johnson, as I've seen that it is only a single shot with 94 percent efficacy and half the cost of the Moderna.

[xylophone]

28 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

I would like to know more about the Johnson & Johnson, as I've seen that it is only a single shot with 94 percent efficacy and half the cost of the Moderna.

Not sure that I'd want anyone injecting anything into my Johnson!

[sometimewoodworker]

51 minutes ago, ftpjtm said:

2 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Your understanding is wrong. Only the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine will be provided at cost. It is also being manufactured in Thailand for distribution in the local region.

And as of now is approved based on studies showing 60% efficacy, vs 94.5% + for Pfizer and Moderna. 

 

Studies ongoing to determine if the low 1st dose regimen which achieved 90% efficacy on a young (55 yo or less) sub group is also achievable on a larger group more representative of the general population.

You should really get your quotes accurate.

[sometimewoodworker]

1 hour ago, rupert the bear said:

your quite correct but the 2nd dose is best given 2 weeks later to have the best effect so waiting 12 weeks makes the 2nd dose a waste of time,its absurd and the drs and their council have pointed that out!!!

Do actually read the research papers, your suggestion of more effective at 2 weeks is wrong, also the statement of the second dose being redundant at 12 weeks is bunk.

 

the reason for a single dose with a second at 12 weeks is to reduce the incredible strain on the U.K. health system, as nobody who had a single dose was admitted to hospital, whereas in the control group there were several hospital admissions together with a death. 

 

Is a shorter interval better? Probably.

Is being refused hospital admission because there are not enough staff or not getting treatment because others have a better survival chance something you want for you or anyone?

 

The 12 week interval is to stop the above paragraph being what will happen.

 

That timing regimen is not needed in Thailand yet.

[sometimewoodworker]

2 hours ago, lopburi3 said:

Actually it was rated number one in the world in this report.

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Thailand now has the largest wealth gap in the world, according to a recent report by Credit Suisse. The Global Wealth Report and Databook, published in December 2018, showed that the richest 1% in Thailand now controls almost 67% of the country’s wealth.

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Not remotely close to the gap in the USA 

[SupermarineS6B]

3 hours ago, tinca tinca said:

and just how many will be available to FARANGS???

At a phone number price maybe........ Read the writing on the wall, we're not wanted........   Good excuse to deliver the final blow all in the name of protecting the "People"....... 

[lopburi3]

28 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Not remotely close to the gap in the USA 

The US is trying hard and may indeed be close to closing the gap but BT (before Trump) the US figure was much lower than Thailand at below 40%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States#:~:text=A September 2017 study by,the country's wealth in 2016.

 

[ftpjtm]

1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said:

You should really get your quotes accurate.

Bonus explanation;

 

You point out that AstraZeneca is low cost/profit.

 

I suggest that perhaps that's due to it's lower efficacy and uncertainty surrounding it's test results. 

Edited January 2, 2021 by ftpjtm

[ftpjtm]

59 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Not remotely close to the gap in the USA 

Several links posted show otherwise. Here's another. 

 

https://theaseanpost.com/article/growing-gap-between-richest-and-poorest-thais

 

Is what you're saying based on data or is it just a feeling you have?

Edited January 2, 2021 by ftpjtm

[sometimewoodworker]

54 minutes ago, ftpjtm said:

I suggest that perhaps that's due to it's lower efficacy and uncertainty surrounding it's test results. 

read the actual information avalable and your suggestion is tRumpian in is lack of relationship to the truth

[ftpjtm]

21 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

read the actual information avalable and your suggestion is tRumpian in is lack of relationship to the truth

I've read extensive amounts of information on it. Can you please be specific in what you are disputing?

 

So far you're just making vague, derogatory accusations without backing them up with facts. So tRumpian of you...

Edited January 2, 2021 by ftpjtm

[Elkski]

tRumpian, bt. Just added to my phones DICtionary

[schvonsky1]

On 12/31/2020 at 11:40 AM, internationalism said:

just yesterday they have approved 1.6bln for an unspecified vax, the next weak another 1.17bln for unspecified vax.

why this secrecy, lack of transparency?

$17 per shot is quite much, the top of what in Europe they are buying (and selling).

 

Already 6bln was spend on astrazeneca. Looks, like another 6bln for this same company. They would be in the second part of 2021.

 

money is flowing fast, but no vaccines

17$ you say is steep  now just imagine if we where buying from the devious Thais they would be charging a hell of a lot more so ball locks to the tawats ????????????

[Mike k]

11 hours ago, tinca tinca said:

and just how many will be available to FARANGS???

You can have mine cause unless they hold a gun to my head I'm not getting it 

[garyk]

Where I live at present the second phase has already began. 17000 doses to the over 65 crowd will start Monday. I missed it because I was not expecting it to be so fast. My doctor told me March, but the timeline has moved up 3 months. So hopefully I will get the first dose this month.

[bangon04]

On 12/31/2020 at 12:48 PM, ukrules said:

I have a feeling that the people might prefer something other than the Chinese vaccine.

but the Chinese vaccine has been thoroughly tested - on political prisoners and bats. They didn't all die...

[balo]

Which vaccine can be stored in a normal fridge ?  I really hope they do not try to get the Pfizer vaccine that must be stored at minus 70 degrees Celsius! 

[mike787]

DOES NOT matter...still must quarantine. 

 

 

Edited January 2, 2021 by mike787

[mikebell]

19 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

The last sentence claim is not even remotely true, it’s not even in the top 20.

 

Don't balance probable truth with absolute lies.

Here are the 10 countries with the highest wealth inequality: Netherlands ( 0.902) Russia ( 0.879) Sweden ( 0.867) United States ( 0.852) Brazil ( 0.849) Thailand ( 0.846)

[Fex Bluse]

They will be distributed in Thai Caste order. Farangs at the bottom. Brown Thais just before them. Sino "Good" Thais first. 

[sometimewoodworker]

On 1/2/2021 at 9:07 AM, mikebell said:

It has, perhaps, the widest wealth inequality in the world.

so now even you disagree with you

 

1 hour ago, mikebell said:

Here are the 10 countries with the highest wealth inequality: Netherlands ( 0.902) Russia ( 0.879) Sweden ( 0.867) United States ( 0.852)

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FWIW there is always a difference depending on the sources used and the way the analysis is done.

Edited January 3, 2021 by sometimewoodworker

[elgenon]

21 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

You are looking at old, incomplete, data 

given the best injection and dose regimen the 3 are roughly equal.

I read it 2 days ago. The info came directly from the Motherland where it was created .

 

Can you show your source? I tossed mine. Thanks.

[sometimewoodworker]

38 minutes ago, elgenon said:

I read it 2 days ago. The info came directly from the Motherland where it was created .

 

Can you show your source? I tossed mine. Thanks.

The information is collated by Dr. John Campbell in Cumbria and broad-caste by him in his YouTube videos with all of the sources in the description so they can be checked. 
 

However since he is posting daily or more I can’t give you an exact reference without considerable research time, the information is contained in more than 1 broadcast.

[rupert the bear]

20 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Do actually read the research papers, your suggestion of more effective at 2 weeks is wrong, also the statement of the second dose being redundant at 12 weeks is bunk.

 

the reason for a single dose with a second at 12 weeks is to reduce the incredible strain on the U.K. health system, as nobody who had a single dose was admitted to hospital, whereas in the control group there were several hospital admissions together with a death. 

 

Is a shorter interval better? Probably.

Is being refused hospital admission because there are not enough staff or not getting treatment because others have a better survival chance something you want for you or anyone?

 

The 12 week interval is to stop the above paragraph being what will happen.

 

That timing regimen is not needed in Thailand yet.

i can only go on the info i was given by  2 drs i know in uk,please have it out with them.we are surrounded by so call experts,theyve not done well so far.in uk one of the major drs associations has said exactly what the 2 docs i know have said.........i disagree with what you say ill take it from the horses mouth not yours

[ftpjtm]

1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said:

The information is collated by Dr. John Campbell in Cumbria and broad-caste by him in his YouTube videos with all of the sources in the description so they can be checked. 
 

However since he is posting daily or more I can’t give you an exact reference without considerable research time, the information is contained in more than 1 broadcast.

Since you seem to have a problem with links, here's one to Dr. Campbell's video RE UK approval of the AstraZeneca vaccine. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pj4_aK-j8I

 

To save yourself 24 minutes, the important information contained in the video is summarized in this Reuters piece. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-vaccine-ap/analysis-no-half-measures-and-mind-the-gap-uk-nod-for-astrazeneca-vaccine-raises-more-questions-idUSKBN2941WR

 

Some key points;

 

"British health officials greenlighted the AstraZeneca and Oxford COVID-19 shot on Wednesday but also rebuffed one of their central claims: that a half-dose followed by a standard dose offered more protection against infection."

 

"Though cheaper and easier to distribute than rival shots, the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine has been plagued with uncertainty about its most effective dosage ever since data published last month showed a half-dose followed by a full dose had a 90% success rate while two full shots were 62% effective."

 

"Munir Pirmohamed, chair of a British advisory group on COVID-19 vaccines, validated those doubts on Wednesday saying the 90% efficacy rate did not hold up under analysis. Instead, Pirmohamed said a higher success rate may be due to a longer gap between the administration of the first and second shots."

 

"Regulators in other countries have taken a more cautious approach than Britain and the different efficacy rates cited by the MHRA as well as its new recommendations on the timing of second doses prompted scientists to call for the details underpinning its approval to be released."

 

Bottom line;

 

When results of the controlled studies of the type most governments rely on for vaccine approvals are compared, AstraZeneca had a 62% efficacy vs 94.5% for Moderna and 95% for Pfizer. The MHRA made a decision that due to the severity of the pandemic, and because 62% efficacy is enough to deem a vaccine effective, to approve the AstraZeneca vaccine. But based on the full dose regimen which was tested in a controlled setting. Studies are ongoing to determine if other dosing regimens increase efficacy.

 

I think this is good news, and if the AstraZeneca vaccine was made available to me today I'd certainly take it. But as a foreigner living in Thailand, I expect to have to pay for the vaccine, and given the choice I'd choose to pay a premium for the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, based on solid evidence that they are more effective. 

 

 

[sometimewoodworker]

52 minutes ago, rupert the bear said:

I can only go on the info i was given by  2 drs i know in uk

As my information is drawn from peer reviewed medical documents and government health publications  collated by a specialist teaching Dr. Where the conclusions can be checked with the original documents if there is anything that needs further information, I trust that information far more than your claimed sources. Specially as there little evidence or no of a stage 3 trial with a 2 week interval. The test data for Moderna is from 25 days to 35 days and Pfizer 19 to 35 days. So either you misunderstood or have taken ridiculous liberties with the truth as neither of those are 14 days and the data is strongly suggesting that the longer interval provides greater protection. 
 

U. K. Physicians are suggesting 3 to 4 weeks for those 2 and many will provide the second dose at those times if requested.

[sometimewoodworker]

17 minutes ago, ftpjtm said:

Since you seem to have a problem with links, here's one to Dr. Campbell's video RE UK approval of the AstraZeneca vaccine. 

I have no problem with links but will not do your research for you as I have other calls on my time.
 

There are several videos reporting more information which, any one who accepts the scientific process will understand, modify the information in that report.

 

also if you look at the data the 62% is a combination not an absolute number.

[Grogu]

Thailand is going to be locked down for years.

2 million doses for 1 million elites.

The rest will be left to scrounge for grubs and rats to eat