Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account, cites 'incitement of violence' risk

[TKDfella]

5 hours ago, Opl said:

every rallye is an opportunity for Trump to motivate his followers, not only to donate to his Stop the steal charity, but also a way for him to find comfort in their adulation, it's all profitable 

Before mob stormed US Capitol, Trump told them to ‘fight like hell’ - The Boston Globe 

 

" In recent weeks, Trump heavily promoted the rally that led directly to the assault on the Capitol. The rally was part of the “Stop the Steal” movement, which, fueled by Trump’s own conspiratorial fantasies, explicitly aimed to halt the certification of Joe Biden’s election victory. On Dec. 19, Trump promised a “big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!” Trump promoted the rally again on Dec. 27, Dec. 30, and Jan. 1, in tweets compiled by the New York Times. "

Capitol riot: How Donald Trump incited an attack on America | Fortune

No, I don't deny the use of the various words and phrases either this year or last. But I have already stated above, my views on such phrases and I won't repeat.

However, by the same token I also don't deny what was said on video by Democrats. On ABC, B. Sanders says clearly that the Democrat Party had not been aggressive enough etc that Joe Biden could be the most progressive president. Just by how much should the Democrats be aggressive, that is, what type of aggression does he want. Here again, we see terminology that can be interpreted in different ways, the Left will see it one way and the Right another. I didn't like the Progressive Labour (Left) in England and here I interpret a definite leaning toward the far left. I don't deny what I saw and heard on the Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate and that I thought that Kamala Harris was definitely not a fan of J. Biden and yet there she goes accepting the VP position. One or both of them sure put their principles in the back seat...or did the Democrat Party Leadership (or ruling council) tell the to do it. and my list goes on. The one thing I noticed was that the Democrat far left (B. Sanders, AOC etc.) were given a lot video time by both Right and Left media (and we saw recently how AOC etc. was against Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Shumer leading the Party) and it signals to me that the Democrat far left have a stronger hold than before...and I am very much against far left policies, just as I am with far right NeoN and the like. Whether my opinion will be shown to be valid remains to be seen but in short, I have seen/heard nothing that changes my current stance on being just right of center Conservative.

As far as the so called social platforms/big tech are concerned, if there is no law against them in censoring material or denying other platforms server connection, it would seem to me that there is a monopoly problem. There are plenty of fake science news to be found, anti-gravity, so called free energy, yet none of the platforms take these down. Why? There's no power in that is there?

[polpott]

18 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Not true.  It's glorious to be an American now.  If you celebrate decency, honesty, and peace, America is a much better place.  Well, come 20 Jan the USA will be a better place.

Not really. There'll still be 30+ million rednecks marching through the streets with their big guns chanting "Stolen election" and "hang Pence". They're not going anywhere soon.

 

The Capitol was the warm up show. On the 17th Trump has organised for his boys to storm State Capitol buildings throughout the country. Many of those states allow open carry. The logic behind this is that he can then declare martial law and delay the inauguration of Biden indefinitely.

 

It ain't all over till the fat lady sings and she's just warming up.

[GrandPapillon]

indeed, Trump supporters are going to re-group, off the radar, and then it's going to hit everywhere, and we won't know where it's coming from, since they have been silenced, and we can't watch or hear their intentions

 

Twitter really <deleted> up, this is not banning some obscure group like ISIS, or AQ, they are shutting down the voice of 70+ millions voters

 

it will backfire eventually, a lot of people are in denials about what's going with Trump voters

Edited January 10, 2021 by GrandPapillon

[Tie Dye Samurai]

13 hours ago, Walker88 said:

 

Also, a grand jury can subpoena White House staff and ask them how 45 was reacting to the insurrection he fomented. Some sources, as revealed by R Sen Ben Sasse, say 45 was surprised other WH staff were not enjoying the mayhem as much as him.

 

That would be used as proof or mens rea, or 45's intent that his words be used to incite the insurrection.

I am betting there is white house security footage of Trump actually watching his own little production of "The Hatfields and McCoys Take Washington"

[Credo]

4 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

indeed, Trump supporters are going to re-group, off the radar, and then it's going to hit everywhere, and we won't know where it's coming from, since they have been silenced, and we can't watch or hear their intentions

 

Twitter really <deleted> up, this is not banning some obscure group like ISIS, or AQ, they are shutting down the voice of 70+ millions voters

 

it will backfire eventually, a lot of people are in denials about what's going with Trump voters

Social media has done the responsible thing getting rid of Trump.  He has articles of impeachment for inciting insurrection.  No reasonable business would ever aid or abet violence.  Their public statement explaining their reasoning was because there were people discussing further violence.   

After all, they are a private company and if you don't have to bake a cake for a gay couple, then surely you should have to aid and abet violence.

 

[Salerno]

4 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

I am betting there is white house security footage of Trump actually watching his own little production of "The Hatfields and McCoys Take Washington"

 

If there isn't they can borrow Jnrs that is being replayed all over the world.

[shdmn]

5 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

indeed, Trump supporters are going to re-group, off the radar, and then it's going to hit everywhere, and we won't know where it's coming from, since they have been silenced, and we can't watch or hear their intentions

 

Twitter really <deleted> up, this is not banning some obscure group like ISIS, or AQ, they are shutting down the voice of 70+ millions voters

 

it will backfire eventually, a lot of people are in denials about what's going with Trump voters

If you say so.  They are all a bunch of cowards. As soon as there were shots fired it took the fight right out of them.  I predict absolutely nothing happens except maybe some people on their mobility scooters with some trump flags on them.  Besides, bunker boy lost his voice now so it's a lot harder for him to keep ginning up the rubes.

 

Seems there are a bunch of people here into violence porn cheerleading for more which is pretty sickening if you ask me.  Gotta wonder what's going through some of your heads.

Edited January 10, 2021 by shdmn

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

indeed, Trump supporters are going to re-group, off the radar, and then it's going to hit everywhere, and we won't know where it's coming from, since they have been silenced, and we can't watch or hear their intentions

 

Twitter really <deleted> up, this is not banning some obscure group like ISIS, or AQ, they are shutting down the voice of 70+ millions voters

 

it will backfire eventually, a lot of people are in denials about what's going with Trump voters

The FBI, Homeland Security, and other agencies can find and monitor the other platforms the insurrectionists use to organize their next attack on the government.  It will be especially easy to find after Trump announces what platform he will be using.

[Kenneth White]

Twitter said they did this because President Trump would further incite violence...Hum! Twitter you have just <deleted> off 75 million voter in America...LOL and you want to accuse President Trump of this. You Twitter and the rest that follow Twitter action are leading the entire world down a very dangerous path. The world has already seen and been through all this back in 1933-1945 Wake Up and use some common sense.

[Jeffr2]

7 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

indeed, Trump supporters are going to re-group, off the radar, and then it's going to hit everywhere, and we won't know where it's coming from, since they have been silenced, and we can't watch or hear their intentions

 

Twitter really <deleted> up, this is not banning some obscure group like ISIS, or AQ, they are shutting down the voice of 70+ millions voters

 

it will backfire eventually, a lot of people are in denials about what's going with Trump voters

They were regrouping before this attack, and set back a bunch by it.  Many of the hard core leaders are in jail, the rest in hiding, many who went have lost their jobs, etc.  I think it was a big wake up call and the less radical ones did what Lindsey Graham did.  Tag out and call it quits for Trumpism.

 

Since they are supporting violence, they need to be silenced.  They are not a group, and there are FAR less than 70+ million who want these actions.  Far less.  Otherwise, 1MM would have showed up for the attack. 

 

Best thing Twitter could do.  Now, go after Parler and the other radical sites and get them to remove violent content.  Social media is one of the biggest problems in the US today.

[Stargeezr]

In my mind, even the Trump supporters on this forum are scary people.  Most of us know your posts, and the words you use.  I will be happy when Jan 21st is behind us and Donald is no longer the president of the USA. As a former president, he can finally be gone after by many organizations, for many issues.  I do hope that all of his supporters and the mob that climbed into the Capital building are identified, and publicly shamed, for the animals that they were acting like.  I hope the person who hit the capital police officer with the fire extinguisher is charged with 1st degree murder.

  The FBI and other police organizations should have good pictures of the mob for future protests and property destruction.

Geezer

[stevenl]

5 hours ago, Kenneth White said:

Twitter said they did this because President Trump would further incite violence...Hum! Twitter you have just <deleted> off 75 million voter in America...LOL and you want to accuse President Trump of this. You Twitter and the rest that follow Twitter action are leading the entire world down a very dangerous path. The world has already seen and been through all this back in 1933-1945 Wake Up and use some common sense.

So stopping someone from inciting violence is inciting violence?

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, Kenneth White said:

Twitter said they did this because President Trump would further incite violence...Hum! Twitter you have just <deleted> off 75 million voter in America...LOL and you want to accuse President Trump of this. You Twitter and the rest that follow Twitter action are leading the entire world down a very dangerous path. The world has already seen and been through all this back in 1933-1945 Wake Up and use some common sense.

1933 to 1945, that was when the Nazi government required the media of the day to carry government lies and propaganda. 

 

What we have today is the exact opposite; media is refusing to carry government lies and propaganda.

Edited January 11, 2021 by heybruce

[GrandPapillon]

Even Merkel is worried by Twitter unilateral move to ban Trump account, and this is going to feed into the EU idea that social platform needs to be "controlled" somehow

 

Merkel: Trump's social media ban 'problematic'

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-55617421

 

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has expressed concern at the suspension of Donald Trump from several social media platforms, according to her spokesman.

In a statement, Steffen Seibert said the move was "problematic" because freedom of opinion should be determined by legislatures, not tech bosses.

 

[Nout]

But they havent banned Putin or countless other dictators...Hhmmnn...Time to curtail the power once and for all of these jumped up millenial martinets...SILENCING IS VIOLENCING

[Credo]

29 minutes ago, Nout said:

But they havent banned Putin or countless other dictators...Hhmmnn...Time to curtail the power once and for all of these jumped up millenial martinets...SILENCING IS VIOLENCING

I have no idea what 'violencing' is, but I haven't seen any tweets from Putin.  Have you?

 

[Scott]

An post containing a derogatory term for Trump supporters has been removed.

 

[Virt]

21 hours ago, shdmn said:

If you say so.  They are all a bunch of cowards. As soon as there were shots fired it took the fight right out of them.  I predict absolutely nothing happens except maybe some people on their mobility scooters with some trump flags on them.  Besides, bunker boy lost his voice now so it's a lot harder for him to keep ginning up the rubes.

 

Seems there are a bunch of people here into violence porn cheerleading for more which is pretty sickening if you ask me.  Gotta wonder what's going through some of your heads.

 

You're making the same mistake as the authorities did. 

 

They didn't think anything would happen and officially said they never thought the Capitol would be overrun.

 

Well it did and something similar could happen again, so the authorities better be prepared his time.

 

I hope for a peaceful Jan 20th, but it's a sensible situation. 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Virt said:

 

You're making the same mistake as the authorities did. 

 

They didn't think anything would happen and officially said they never thought the Capitol would be overrun.

 

Well it did and something similar could happen again, so the authorities better be prepared his time.

 

I hope for a peaceful Jan 20th, but it's a sensible situation. 

They will be prepared.  The inauguration had already been scaled back immensely since Biden takes Covid 19 seriously, so there will be lots of room for security forces and it will be easy to identify mobs of troublemakers.

[Sujo]

5 hours ago, Nout said:

But they havent banned Putin or countless other dictators...Hhmmnn...Time to curtail the power once and for all of these jumped up millenial martinets...SILENCING IS VIOLENCING

Can you tell us what putin and other dictators have been posting?

[Jeffr2]

10 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

Even Merkel is worried by Twitter unilateral move to ban Trump account, and this is going to feed into the EU idea that social platform needs to be "controlled" somehow

 

Merkel: Trump's social media ban 'problematic'

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-55617421

 

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has expressed concern at the suspension of Donald Trump from several social media platforms, according to her spokesman.

In a statement, Steffen Seibert said the move was "problematic" because freedom of opinion should be determined by legislatures, not tech bosses.

 

In that same article, it says the majority of Germans approve of the ban.  Same is true in the US.  His approval rating is way down.  As it should have been years ago.

[shdmn]

4 hours ago, Virt said:

 

You're making the same mistake as the authorities did. 

 

They didn't think anything would happen and officially said they never thought the Capitol would be overrun.

 

Well it did and something similar could happen again, so the authorities better be prepared his time.

 

I hope for a peaceful Jan 20th, but it's a sensible situation. 

 The chief of the capital police said he asked for help at least 5 times and was refused.   I also recall reading a story a day or two before Jan06 that the DC mayor requested the national guard be brought in.  I believe that was also refused.  So I think one thing that will end up coming out eventually will be that some of this lack of police presence and preparedness was intentional.

Edited January 12, 2021 by shdmn

[Berkshire]

12 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

Even Merkel is worried by Twitter unilateral move to ban Trump account, and this is going to feed into the EU idea that social platform needs to be "controlled" somehow

 

Merkel: Trump's social media ban 'problematic'

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-55617421

 

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has expressed concern at the suspension of Donald Trump from several social media platforms, according to her spokesman.

In a statement, Steffen Seibert said the move was "problematic" because freedom of opinion should be determined by legislatures, not tech bosses.

 

So you agree with Merkel, that freedom of opinion should be determined by legislatures, i.e., the government.  That sounds a lot like censorship to me.   

[Eric Loh]

17 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

So you agree with Merkel, that freedom of opinion should be determined by legislatures, i.e., the government.  That sounds a lot like censorship to me.   

You can count on Trump's supporters to extract the portion of Merkel's statement that resonate with their views. If you read her full statement, she suggest that the US Government should tightened and adopt strict laws that restrict online incitement like in Germany or even countries in Asia like Singapore and Malaysia; rather than leaving it up to platforms to make up their own rules. I certainly agree with that too. Suspension will only drive migration to other platforms. Wouldn't stop those intending to spread hate and conspiracies. 

[mtls2005]

For all the enablers (huckabee-sanders, kilmeade, bartiromo, et al.) carping about unity, and complaining about losing Twitter followers, maybe just accept that those weren't "good people"?

 

Twitter says it has banned 70,000 accounts since Friday that promoted QAnon
 

Since Friday, Twitter has suspended more than 70,000 accounts from its platform for promoting the baseless QAnon conspiracy theory, the company said in a blog post Monday evening. 

The social media platform has been on an enforcement spree in recent days as it has removed major QAnon adherents including Michael Flynn and Sidney Powell. Many of the banned account-holders operated multiple accounts, Twitter said.

 

The moves have contributed to major fluctuations in some users’ Twitter accounts, the company acknowledged. 

 

“In some cases, these actions may have resulted in follower count changes in the thousands,” Twitter said. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/webview/business/live-news/election-2020-misinformation/h_5a812a3896cefac18052c40eb06cae70

 

 

[Virt]

I've been trying to follow various politicians opinions across the world and it's really a mixed pot of opinions 

 

Some says it's great, some say

It's censorship and some in between. 

 

I still think it's a dangerous path to walk, and since it's a private platform, what prevents them next time from just banning people, that are going against the owners political agenda? 

 

If this old article from 2018 about Twitter is correct then we have a serious problem. 

I have no idea if NY post takes side like Fox and CNN. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/08/04/how-twitter-is-fueling-the-democratic-agenda/amp/

[welovesundaysatspace]

5 minutes ago, Virt said:

what prevents them next time from just banning people, that are going against the owners political agenda? 

I don’t know; do Breitbart or OAN publish my opinion piece on Trump and his Neanderthals or is it against their political agenda? 

[Virt]

4 hours ago, Sujo said:

Can you tell us what putin and other dictators have been posting?

 

They allowed the Ayatollah to write that Israel should be eleminated. 

 

If that is not hate speech I don't know what is. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/twitter-tells-mks-khameneis-eliminate-israel-posts-dont-violate-its-rules/amp/

[heybruce]

12 minutes ago, Virt said:

I've been trying to follow various politicians opinions across the world and it's really a mixed pot of opinions 

 

Some says it's great, some say

It's censorship and some in between. 

 

I still think it's a dangerous path to walk, and since it's a private platform, what prevents them next time from just banning people, that are going against the owners political agenda? 

 

If this old article from 2018 about Twitter is correct then we have a serious problem. 

I have no idea if NY post takes side like Fox and CNN. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/08/04/how-twitter-is-fueling-the-democratic-agenda/amp/

"I still think it's a dangerous path to walk, and since it's a private platform, what prevents them next time from just banning people, that are going against the owners political agenda? "

 

It's a business, and businesses seek to make money.  If Twitter thinks a hard left turn will make more money it is free to do so.  The logic behind Fox News was that a right-wing news channel would make money, and it was correct. 

 

In the case of Twitter, Facebook, and all other social media I assume they will try to appeal to the broadest possible audience without getting into trouble.  Since being a platform for those who lie, promote violence and advocate the overthrow of the government invites trouble, these companies have a legal right and business logic on their sides in banning people who promote such activities.

[Virt]

9 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I don’t know; do Breitbart or OAN publish my opinion piece on Trump and his Neanderthals or is it against their political agenda? 

 

No idea but do they run platforms where both politicial sides are supposed to post? 

 

I'm not pro Trump or pro Biden, but tries to take a step back and looking at the whole picture.