Scottish nationalists set for record majority, boosting independence push

[Phulublub]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

You have a thing about folk with cash, folk on the fiddle, you are always posting that kinda stuff, so what am I to think. If you have a chip on your shoulder regarding purported insider fiddling, that is your problem..

Now lets get back to your leader fiddling.....

Some people seem to have a huge chip on their shoulder about WW2. 

 

Are you in favour of the NHS? Public schools?  Any aspects of the welfare state at all?

 

 

PH

[RuamRudy]

40 minutes ago, transam said:

You have a thing about folk with cash, folk on the fiddle, you are always posting that kinda stuff, so what am I to think. If you have a chip on your shoulder regarding purported insider fiddling, that is your problem..

Now lets get back to your leader fiddling.....

 

Your reductive thinking seems to be that any criticism of dirty money tainting politics indicates socialist or communist tendencies from the critic.

 

That is not just the stuff of high school debates, it is dangerous because it allows for the sham democracy you hold so dearly to be further traduced and manipulated. 

[vogie]

14 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Your reductive thinking seems to be that any criticism of dirty money tainting politics indicates socialist or communist tendencies from the critic.

 

That is not just the stuff of high school debates, it is dangerous because it allows for the sham democracy you hold so dearly to be further traduced and manipulated. 

In all fairness RR the alledged antics of N Sturgeon makes Boris look like Mother Theresa in comparison. If Boris had done just a tenth of what Sturgeon is being accused of, mostly by other nationalists I hasten to add, the worlds press would be camping outside number 10 shouting at him 'did you try and get an innocent person jailed Prime Minister. 

[RuamRudy]

17 minutes ago, vogie said:

In all fairness RR the alledged antics of N Sturgeon makes Boris look like Mother Theresa in comparison. If Boris had done just a tenth of what Sturgeon is being accused of, mostly by other nationalists I hasten to add, the worlds press would be camping outside number 10 shouting at him 'did you try and get an innocent person jailed Prime Minister. 

 

Are you sure about that? Has she used public funds to seduce American slappers? Has she spent 50 million pounds of taxpayers' money on plans for a bridge that disappeared in the most? Did she cheat on her cancer ridden husband? Did she get sacked from multiple jobs because she is incapable of telling the truth? Did she conspire to physically assault a journalist because he annoyed her friend? Has she had multiple affairs and cheated on multiple husbands? 

 

But once again, once we drop this rancid and corrupt Union, we can also drop the SNP in a heartbeat. 

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Are you sure about that? Has she used public funds to seduce American slappers? Has she spent 50 million pounds of taxpayers' money on plans for a bridge that disappeared in the most? Did she cheat on her cancer ridden husband? Did she get sacked from multiple jobs because she is incapable of telling the truth? Did she conspire to physically assault a journalist because he annoyed her friend? Has she had multiple affairs and cheated on multiple husbands? 

 

But once again, once we drop this rancid and corrupt Union, we can also drop the SNP in a heartbeat. 

The main question is 'are you sure about this' how much money has the SNP misplaced, lost or stolen. Pointing the finger to someones minor multi affairs whilst not in office is just a pathetic attempt to try pass the buck and deflect from the real criminal (alledgedly) in this case.

The press were quick to camp outside Dom Cummings residence for testing his eyesight on his trip to Barnard Castle????,  you are comparing minor infringements with a major crime here RR, and quite frankly it is not working. 

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

The main question is 'are you sure about this' how much money has the SNP misplaced, lost or stolen. Pointing the finger to someones minor multi affairs whilst not in office is just a pathetic attempt to try pass the buck and deflect from the real criminal (alledgedly) in this case.

The press were quick to camp outside Dom Cummings residence for testing his eyesight on his trip to Barnard Castle????,  you are comparing minor infringements with a major crime here RR, and quite frankly it is not working. 

 

The press across the UK, and especially in Scotland are nothing but hostile to the Scottish government. Maybe they see a different narrative to the one that you are desperate to come true?

 

I am genuinely bemused at your description of Johnson's past behaviour as minor in his transgressions. Of course, minor or serious can be subjective...

[transam]

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

Some people seem to have a huge chip on their shoulder about WW2. 

 

Are you in favour of the NHS? Public schools?  Any aspects of the welfare state at all?

 

 

PH

1. I am not one that has, it is history that should never be forgotten and how it all started and ended, including you Bill...... 

2. Why shouldn't I be...?

[transam]

37 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Are you sure about that? Has she used public funds to seduce American slappers? Has she spent 50 million pounds of taxpayers' money on plans for a bridge that disappeared in the most? Did she cheat on her cancer ridden husband? Did she get sacked from multiple jobs because she is incapable of telling the truth? Did she conspire to physically assault a journalist because he annoyed her friend? Has she had multiple affairs and cheated on multiple husbands? 

 

But once again, once we drop this rancid and corrupt Union, we can also drop the SNP in a heartbeat. 

That reads like you have a problem.....????

[vogie]

23 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

The press across the UK, and especially in Scotland are nothing but hostile to the Scottish government. Maybe they see a different narrative to the one that you are desperate to come true?

 

I am genuinely bemused at your description of Johnson's past behaviour as minor in his transgressions. Of course, minor or serious can be subjective...

There is nothing "subjective" about comparing an extra marital fling to someone trying to get someone else locked up.

And the Scottish press from what I have seen seem to be colluding with Sturgeon and her party by being very selective in reporting of this debacle.

Edited January 31, 2021 by vogie

[sandyf]

22 hours ago, sungod said:

on the contrary, his either went over yours or you are just ignoring it.

Wrong. The point was that EU member states are independent sovereign countries and to claim otherwise is utter garbage.

You would have to explain why having someone speak for you takes away your independence. 

If people thought they were any less independent by having someone speak on their behalf, there wouldn't be so many join trade unions.

Unfortunately the UK union does not recognise member states so unlike the EU, Scotland cannot invoke an Article 50.

[tebee]

8 hours ago, vogie said:

 

And the Scottish press from what I have seen seem to be colluding with Sturgeon and her party by being very selective in reporting of this debacle.

But aren't the English press also very selective in reporting the massive corruption of the current Conservative government ? The many millions of £ awarded to friends, family and people who donate to the party for useless PPE for instance ?

[vogie]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

But aren't the English press also very selective in reporting the massive corruption of the current Conservative government ? The many millions of £ awarded to friends, family and people who donate to the party for useless PPE for instance ?

Any news on the Mexican press?

[stevenl]

On 1/30/2021 at 11:50 AM, sungod said:

on the contrary, his either went over yours or you are just ignoring it.

His wasn't true, some countries choose to order as a group, others ordered independently.

[sungod]

16 minutes ago, stevenl said:

His wasn't true, some countries choose to order as a group, others ordered independently.

 

Really? Could you elaborate?

[stevenl]

39 minutes ago, sungod said:

 

Really? Could you elaborate?

What don't you understand about countries being able to order collectively or individually? That the choice is theirs?

[sandyf]

21 hours ago, vogie said:

The main question is 'are you sure about this' how much money has the SNP misplaced, lost or stolen. Pointing the finger to someones minor multi affairs whilst not in office is just a pathetic attempt to try pass the buck and deflect from the real criminal (alledgedly) in this case.

Maybe one day you will realise neither you nor the media will decide on who sits in Holyrood.

 

On the 13th May last year an EDM on frozen pensions was tabled but only signed by 21 MPs, 12 of which were from the SNP. Only 5 out of the 21 were English MPs.

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/56968/uk-veterans-and-frozen-pensions

 

We have always known that  "I'm all right Jack"  was an English saying.

[Henryford]

PLEASE just GO

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Maybe one day you will realise neither you nor the media will decide on who sits in Holyrood.

 

On the 13th May last year an EDM on frozen pensions was tabled but only signed by 21 MPs, 12 of which were from the SNP. Only 5 out of the 21 were English MPs.

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/56968/uk-veterans-and-frozen-pensions

 

We have always known that  "I'm all right Jack"  was an English saying.

Maybe one day you might stop patronising other posters, but alas after 4 years of reading your posts I feel that moment might be a long time a coming.

There is no one in Scotland to keep tabs on the SNP, they are free to misappropiate the funds they receive from the exchequer (our money). They can lie and destroy the foundation that Scotland is built on and the media has a responsibility to keep the SNP to account, but nothing ever gets reported. 

But like a true Nationalist you cannot resist having a dig at the English, always somebody else fault Sandy!

And why you are you trying to turn this into a pension thread?

[transam]

28 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Maybe one day you will realise neither you nor the media will decide on who sits in Holyrood.

 

On the 13th May last year an EDM on frozen pensions was tabled but only signed by 21 MPs, 12 of which were from the SNP. Only 5 out of the 21 were English MPs.

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/56968/uk-veterans-and-frozen-pensions

 

We have always known that  "I'm all right Jack"  was an English saying.

No, you thought it was an English saying..............????

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/I'm_all_right,_Jack

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Maybe one day you might stop patronising other posters, but alas after 4 years of reading your posts I feel that moment might be a long time a coming.

There is no one in Scotland to keep tabs on the SNP, they are free to misappropiate the funds they receive from the exchequer (our money). They can lie and destroy the foundation that Scotland is built on and the media has a responsibility to keep the SNP to account, but nothing ever gets reported. 

But like a true Nationalist you cannot resist having a dig at the English, always somebody else fault Sandy!

And why you are you trying to turn this into a pension thread?

Your money? 

If it bothers you then you should be happy for them to leave.

[vogie]

Just now, Sujo said:

Your money? 

If it bothers you then you should be happy for them to leave.

I did say and I quote for the posters with comprehension problems "our money"

 

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

I did say and I quote for the posters with comprehension problems "our money"

 

Whose else money could it be?

 

If you dont like it then you should be happy for them to leave. Cant have them only taking our money.

[vogie]

Just now, Sujo said:

Whose else money could it be?

 

If you dont like it then you should be happy for them to leave. Cant have them only taking our money.

You fail to grasp the entirety of the Scottish problem.....again. The Scots do not want to leave, it is the Nationalists that want to leave, and we all know what Nationalists are like don't we. The Scots voted to remain within the UK and unless you have any evidence to the contrary I would suggest you stop embarrassing yourself with these daily nonsense repetetive posts.

So I'll await your reply with baited breath, no rush mind you.

[Phulublub]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

The Scots do not want to leave, it is the Nationalists that want to leave, and we all know what Nationalists are like don't we. The Scots voted to remain within the UK

No.  The 2014 vote result was to remain.  Not all those who voted were Scots.  As has been pointed out to you mulriple times.

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and unless you have any evidence to the contrary

There have been numerous studies done, some of which have been linked to on this thread.  What evidence do you have that the Scots (as opposed to the entirity of those who voted) voted to remain? 

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I would suggest you stop embarrassing yourself with these daily nonsense repetetive posts.

Back at you.  Please provide evidence to back up your statement that the Scots voted to remain. 

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So I'll await your reply with baited breath, no rush mind you.

Not really expecting any sort of comprehensive answer, but there is always a first time.

 

PH

Edited February 1, 2021 by Phulublub

[cleopatra2]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

You fail to grasp the entirety of the Scottish problem.....again. The Scots do not want to leave, it is the Nationalists that want to leave, and we all know what Nationalists are like don't we. The Scots voted to remain within the UK and unless you have any evidence to the contrary I would suggest you stop embarrassing yourself with these daily nonsense repetetive posts.

So I'll await your reply with baited breath, no rush mind you.

If the Scots want to remain in the UK then they will vote to do so in a referendum.

If the SNP vexatiously keep on requesting a referendum then the Scottish electorate will remove them from power.

[Neeranam]

Great news! 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Phulublub said:

No.  The 2014 vote result was to remain.  Not all those who voted were Scots.  As has been pointed out to you mulriple times.

There have been numerous studies done, some of which have been linked to on this thread.  What evidence do you have that the Scots (as opposed to the entirity of those who voted) voted to remain? 

Back at you.  Please provide evidence to back up your statement that the Scots voted to remain. 

Not really expecting any sort of comprehensive answer, but there is always a first time.

 

PH

Who formulated the rules to who could or could not vote....?

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

You fail to grasp the entirety of the Scottish problem.....again. The Scots do not want to leave, it is the Nationalists that want to leave, and we all know what Nationalists are like don't we. The Scots voted to remain within the UK and unless you have any evidence to the contrary I would suggest you stop embarrassing yourself with these daily nonsense repetetive posts.

So I'll await your reply with baited breath, no rush mind you.

How do you know the scots dont want to leave.

 

The evidence will be when they vote. Why dont you want scotland to vote on their future.

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

If the Scots want to remain in the UK then they will vote to do so in a referendum.

If the SNP vexatiously keep on requesting a referendum then the Scottish electorate will remove them from power.

Some on here dont want that. They dont want scotland to have self determination, but then complain about them.

[Phulublub]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Who formulated the rules to who could or could not vote....?

That has noting twhatever to do with the statement "the Scost" voted to leave.

 

As usual attempting to deflect, obfuscate, misdirect.

 

PH