Scottish nationalists set for record majority, boosting independence push

[Phulublub]

52 minutes ago, transam said:

Education, drug abuse, Corvid stuff, leader telling porkies, trying to break up the UK......????

All areas where Westminster excels.  Or not.  But an independent Scotland can decide for itself

 

PH

[vogie]

1 minute ago, cleopatra2 said:

It is not semantics 

The agreement is a corcadant not giving any rise to legal obligations or commitments.

The agreement never specified what should happen after the vote. 

The closest it came was in the memorandum 

 ‘The two governments are committed to continue to work together constructively in the light of the outcome, whatever it is, in the best interests of the people of Scotland and of the rest of the United Kingdom '.

It should now be clear from this clause that the agreement does not settle the question for any period of time.

 

The agreement only sets out a group of statements for the administration of the referendum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The agreement never specified what should happen after the vote.

 

The agreement catagorically says that:

• "deliver a fair test and decisive expression of the views of people in Scotland and a result that everyone will respect"

It cannot be any clearer than that, it was signed by Salmond and Sturgeon who also said it would be a once in a lifetime opportunity and as it only 7 years since the referendum, I will stick my neck on the block and say that they were not talking about a Tasmanian Tigers lifespan.

Why are you (again) so keen to ignore the wishes of the Scots and seem to be giving your support to the Nationalists.

 

 

[Phulublub]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

The agreement never specified what should happen after the vote.

 

The agreement catagorically says that:

• "deliver a fair test and decisive expression of the views of people in Scotland and a result that everyone will respect"

It cannot be any clearer than that, it was signed by Salmond and Sturgeon who also said it would be a once in a lifetime opportunity and as it only 7 years since the referendum, I will stick my neck on the block and say that they were not talking about a Tasmanian Tigers lifespan.

Why are you (again) so keen to ignore the wishes of the Scots and seem to be giving your support to the Nationalists.

 

 

Why are you (again and again and again) so keen to pretend that "the people in Scotland" is the same as "the Scots"? 

 

PH

[cleopatra2]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

The agreement never specified what should happen after the vote.

 

The agreement catagorically says that:

• "deliver a fair test and decisive expression of the views of people in Scotland and a result that everyone will respect"

It cannot be any clearer than that, it was signed by Salmond and Sturgeon who also said it would be a once in a lifetime opportunity and as it only 7 years since the referendum, I will stick my neck on the block and say that they were not talking about a Tasmanian Tigers lifespan.

Why are you (again) so keen to ignore the wishes of the Scots and seem to be giving your support to the Nationalists.

 

 

The part you quote is a reference to the question . This is clear from section 5 of the memorandum agreement attached to the Edinburgh agreement.

The Salmond statement is taken out of context . He actually said it was only his opinion based upon historical facts.

 

Here is quote from section 5

 

Question 5. Both governments agree that the referendum question must be fair, easy to understand and capable of producing a result that is accepted and commands confidence.

Edited February 1, 2021 by cleopatra2

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Give me proof, your posts are like me saying 'my car has 4 wheels' time after time, after time. Give us all some substance.

Proof of what?

 

That scotland should decide what scotland wants but non scots are saying they cant? You yourself are providing that proof for me.

[transam]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

A covid death either side of the border is a tragedy and should not be used for political capital, but if you must post about Scottish covid response, don't you think its at least appropriate to show the English response in comparison? 

 

You are right in your last point, however. They must work harder on escaping the union. 

Are you an adult, you asked for reasons, I never mention deaths, I was referring to her handling in Scotland of the situation.

In future let us know what may upset you..????

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

The agreement never specified what should happen after the vote.

 

The agreement catagorically says that:

• "deliver a fair test and decisive expression of the views of people in Scotland and a result that everyone will respect"

It cannot be any clearer than that, it was signed by Salmond and Sturgeon who also said it would be a once in a lifetime opportunity and as it only 7 years since the referendum, I will stick my neck on the block and say that they were not talking about a Tasmanian Tigers lifespan.

Why are you (again) so keen to ignore the wishes of the Scots and seem to be giving your support to the Nationalists.

 

 

Your own posts prove there was nothing in the agreement that its a once n a lifetime vote or had any timeframe at all.

[Sujo]

Just now, transam said:

Are you an adult, you asked for reasons, I never mention deaths, I was referring to her handling in Scotland of the situation.

In future let us know what may upset you..????

What has any competence or incompetence of anyone got to do with scots being able to vote for what they want.

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

The part you quote is a reference to the question . This is clear from section 5 of the memorandum agreement attached to the Edinburgh agreement.

The Salmond statement is taken out of context . He actually said it was only his opinion based upon historical facts.

 

Here is quote from section 5

 

Question 5. Both governments agree that the referendum question must be fair, easy to understand and capable of producing a result that is accepted and commands confidence.

Stop making things up, Salmond stated otherwise. If you stop digging now you may be able to exit the hole you are creating.

 

 

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Proof of what?

 

That scotland should decide what scotland wants but non scots are saying they cant? You yourself are providing that proof for me.

Well stop making things up and try to pass them off as facts.

[transam]

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

As usual, nothing of substance and no attempt to answer the question.  Probably because you have very little of substance to add to the discussion and are incapable of giving a thoughtful answer.

 

PH

Your opinion Bill, but my answers are always thoughtful..............????

[Phulublub]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Stop making things up, Salmond stated otherwise. If you stop digging now you may be able to exit the hole you are creating.

 

 

Talking of making things up, YOU said SAlminf and Sturgen....if you are not making things up, please link to where Sturgeon also said once in a lifetime.

 

PH

[Sujo]

Just now, vogie said:

Stop making things up, Salmond stated otherwise. If you stop digging now you may be able to exit the hole you are creating.

 

 

What anyone said is not the issue. Show me in the agreement where its a once in a lifetime.

 

Someone saying it is is just talking it up like a salesman.

[Sujo]

Just now, vogie said:

Well stop making things up and try to pass them off as facts.

What did i make up?

[Phulublub]

Just now, vogie said:

Well stop making things up and try to pass them off as facts.

Making things up like "the Scots" voted to Remain you mean?

 

PH

[Phulublub]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

What did i make up?

Not entirely sure, but I think the rules of the game are that the OP can say whatever he wants withour recourse to truth or facts.  He can then ignore any rebuttal, and can even argue against himself if he wants.

 

Others, on the other hand, have to be careful not to post anything he doesn't like or he will label it as "made up".  Best of luck getting any answer as to what it is you have allegedly made up.

 

PH

Edited February 1, 2021 by Phulublub

[transam]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

What has any competence or incompetence of anyone got to do with scots being able to vote for what they want.

A lot, if you and yours are daft enough to want another vote a short time after the lifetime one, you're having a laugh.

Get over it, sell off your shield, crack on.......

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Your opinion Bill, but my answers are always thoughtful..............????

Luckely I have him on ignore.

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

What did i make up?

You are telling us all that the Scots want another vote, please show some evidence relating to your spurious claims............Anything????????????

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

You are telling us all that the Scots want another vote, please show some evidence relating to your spurious claims............Anything????????????

Did their representatives ask for one?

 

whats the point of boris going to scotland to argue the point if they dont want a vote?

Edited February 1, 2021 by Sujo

[cleopatra2]

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

Stop making things up, Salmond stated otherwise. If you stop digging now you may be able to exit the hole you are creating.

 

 

If you want the Alex salmons quite it was on Andrew Marr.

The memorandum is part of the Edinburgh Agreement. Explicitly cited just above the signatures

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Did their representatives ask for one?

What are you talking about?

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

What are you talking about?

Has scotlands elected representatives indicated they want another vote?

 

You think boris went to scotland to argue against a vote was for nothing?

[vogie]

1 minute ago, cleopatra2 said:

If you want the Alex salmons quite it was on Andrew Marr.

The memorandum is part of the Edinburgh Agreement. Explicitly cited just above the signatures

If Salmond said it once, he said it a hundred times, so people would know that it was a once in a lifetime opportunity.

He also said in the video, "you have to learn to accept a democratic result" 

[vogie]

Just now, Sujo said:

Has scotlands elected representatives indicated they want another vote?

 

You think boris went to scotland to argue against a vote was for nothing?

It was up to the Scots themselves. HTH

[Sujo]

Just now, vogie said:

If Salmond said it once, he said it a hundred times, so people would know that it was a once in a lifetime opportunity.

He also said in the video, "you have to learn to accept a democratic result" 

Does that mean there cannot be another one? I did ask you where in the agreement it states that. Crickets.

[Sujo]

Just now, vogie said:

It was up to the Scots themselves. HTH

Thank you for agreeing, its up to the scots themselves. So let them vote.

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Thank you for agreeing, its up to the scots themselves. So let them vote.

Well we have given umpteen electoral mandates to the SNP to seek another referendum so I guess we are all in agreement. The only fair and democratic way to proceed is for Westminster's English MPs to stop trying to thwart the will of the Scottish people. 

[cleopatra2]

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

If Salmond said it once, he said it a hundred times, so people would know that it was a once in a lifetime opportunity.

He also said in the video, "you have to learn to accept a democratic result" 

You seem to have difficulty accepting it was his opinion as Salmond explained a week before the referendum took place.

 

There are now people in Scotland who believe their best interest lies in independence. Why should Westminster renegade on what was agreed in the Edinburgh Agreement.

Edited February 1, 2021 by cleopatra2

[transam]

10 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Does that mean there cannot be another one? I did ask you where in the agreement it states that. Crickets.

The UK, is controlled by the MP's of four countries, which sits in Westminster, they decide on referendum voting.

Get used to it.

If Nationalists have the balls, then build a wall and get on with it. ????