U.S. state capitals, Washington on alert for possible pro-Trump armed protests

[Chomper Higgot]

52 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

If you are using the De- Nazification  programme in Western Germany after 1945 as an example (in Eastern Germany they really just cut certain badges off the uniforms and cracked on with things) I would suggest it is a parallel rather than a precedent. There are important differences. Germany in 1945 was prostrate. Comprehensively defeated, to a significant extent physically and economically ruined, disarmed, occupied by large allied armies and with a population who were overwhelmingly cowed and sick of war. The USA is very different. Trumps faction within the Republican Party, and within the general population is a very different matter. Yes, they have been defeated in an election, they control neither the Presidency, The Senate nor the House of Representatives, but they are still intact, and present in significant numbers. What is more they do not accept that defeat. Core elements of that faction are armed, and have spent much time  preparing and training for armed action. Because of the USA's involvement in wars over the last 15 years, wars in which much of the manpower has been drawn from National Guard and Reserve units, this means that there are a lot of people in the community with military experience. These people provide a significant threat which will last beyond next weeks inauguration, well beyond. They have broadcast media outlets and influential religious leaders, they have supporters in Congress. The attack on the Capitol was only the opening round in the campaign.

 

If they were prepared to chant and propose to "hang Mike Pence" last Wednesday, week, how do you think that they will react to a coloured, female and (by US standards) radical Vice President taking a leading role in implementing the Democrats policy agenda in coming months; and we can be sure that Mrs Harris is going to be much more "in the front rank" than has recently perhaps been the case with Vice Presidents.

 

I suspect that the next months or even couple of years will see incidents of (widespread) armed insurrection throughout the USA, it will require National Guard and Regular (Federal) troops to defeat and bring it under control. Only when it is comprehensively defeated can the process of ' de-trumpification" and "deprogramming" make any headway.

 

Such a campaign, mounted by armed groups operating from within a significant proportion of a divided population can be beaten, by an elected government adhering to the rule of law, but it takes time, patience, a willingness not to be deflected by casualties, and painstaking and thorough police work, along with a substantial military presence and much blood and treasure - Northern Ireland anyone?

 

It certainly isn't all going to be over by the end of the month!

“If they were prepared to chant and propose to "hang Mike Pence" last Wednesday, week, how do you think that they will react to a coloured, female and (by US standards) radical Vice President taking a leading role in implementing the Democrats policy agenda in coming months;”

 

I’ll refer you to Rhett Butler for my response to that.

[mr mr]

13 minutes ago, J Town said:

yes things ARE looking up.

 

dude your country is a dumpster fire right now. 

[J Town]

16 minutes ago, mr mr said:

 

dude your country is a dumpster fire right now. 

Yes. The outgoing poor excuse for a president did everything within his power to screw as many people as possible. The incoming crew is already staging things to clean up the mess. Dude.

[herfiehandbag]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“If they were prepared to chant and propose to "hang Mike Pence" last Wednesday, week, how do you think that they will react to a coloured, female and (by US standards) radical Vice President taking a leading role in implementing the Democrats policy agenda in coming months;”

 

I’ll refer you to Rhett Butler for my response to that.

I rather share that opinion. It will however have many "reaching for their gun".

 

If they are not, America needs to expect, and be prepared for this.

[rudi49jr]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The FBI are investigating this seditious attack, who organized it, who gave inside help, who took part and who funded it.

As far as I’m concerned, just to set an example, Laura Boebert, the new representative from Rifle, Colorado, needs some serious attention from law enforcement and should at least be charged with aiding and abetting because she continued to tweet Pelosi’s exact location while that mob was trying to hunt her down with a view of capturing and killing her. Despicable behavior from any representative, no matter what their political affiliation may be, and she should face the consequences.

[rudi49jr]

4 hours ago, mr mr said:

but what exactly do you mean by deprogrammed ?

Anyone who believes in that Qanon tripe should have their head examined. Anyone who still supports Trump after four years of nothing but lies, toxicity and the most obnoxious and narcissistic behavior from the grafter in chief needs to have their head examined. Anyone who thinks it’s okay to storm congress and stage a coup because their crybaby president is a sore loser should have their head examined. These people live in alternative universes and need to be brought back into the real world to face reality. That’s what I meant with deprogramming.

[thailand49]

????I say protest all you want I don't really care who is doing it right or left in the middle, get a permit to do so if none still no problem as long as you are peaceful and follow the law.  You step outside of that start to loot and riot it is simple from there justice is blind and I say lock and load!

 

Nothing is going to happen as soon as this is over send all the troops all 25,000 plus to the border because the real problem (Caravan) is coming thanks Biden for telling the world you have no plans to enforce the borders!

Edited January 17, 2021 by thailand49

[Tug]

5 hours ago, mr mr said:

 

 

woah. ok time for you guys to continue whatever this is. you are all bokners. 

 

god bless america. 

Ahhh nooo there must be consequences for deliberately spreading lies and misinformation to try to destroy a great democracy imo Fox News and their anchors should be made to prove their bs or face fines and or prison.we as a nation must legislate a means to pay a price for willfully spreading disinformation and lies to undermine a nation

[Lacessit]

IMO another Civil War could be starting in America. In the middle of a pandemic to boot, no less.

Trump is just an excuse for thugs posing as patriots to riot. They need to be sent home with a few bloody noses and broken heads. The wheels of justice grind too slowly.

[Meat Pie 47]

2 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Anyone who believes in that Qanon tripe should have their head examined. Anyone who still supports Trump after four years of nothing but lies, toxicity and the most obnoxious and narcissistic behavior from the grafter in chief needs to have their head examined. Anyone who thinks it’s okay to storm congress and stage a coup because their crybaby president is a sore loser should have their head examined. These people live in alternative universes and need to be brought back into the real world to face reality. That’s what I meant with deprogramming.

Yes we have a couple on this forum and I don't have to mentioned names

they know who they are and I don't want to get banned listing their names

[hansnl]

Were they also so alert when BLM and Antifa wreaked havoc all around the country?

Or is this another journalistic foul up?

[hansnl]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

IMO another Civil War could be starting in America. In the middle of a pandemic to boot, no less.

Trump is just an excuse for thugs posing as patriots to riot. They need to be sent home with a few bloody noses and broken heads. The wheels of justice grind too slowly.

Like they did about the BLM/Antifa havoc?

Short or selective memory seems to be rife.

[shdmn]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How about some outrage over the failed coup and bludgeoning to death h of a cop by rightwing terrorist’s incited by Trump?

There is no hope for anyone still trying to pretend both sides are the same.  They are a lost cause imo.

 

Anyone trying to defend white nationalist violence can all go to hell. 

Edited January 17, 2021 by shdmn

[impulse]

8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Ok, lock them up with CNN 24/7 

 

That would go down as cruel and unusual.

[tpazzi]

20 minutes ago, hansnl said:

Were they also so alert when BLM and Antifa wreaked havoc all around the country?

Or is this another journalistic foul up?

There were 5 times as many arrests during the BLM protests in DC as there were during the Capital invasion.   

 

It seems a bit out of touch to suggest they occurred without any reaction from law enforcement or media.

[shdmn]

12 minutes ago, tpazzi said:

There were 5 times as many arrests during the BLM protests in DC as there were during the Capital invasion.   

 

It seems a bit out of touch to suggest they occurred without any reaction from law enforcement or media.

More like willful ignorance.  Anyone trying to compare an attempted gov't overthrow by white nationalists with what BLM is all about is not interested in an intellectually honest debate.

Edited January 17, 2021 by shdmn

[impulse]

20 minutes ago, tpazzi said:

There were 5 times as many arrests during the BLM protests in DC as there were during the Capital invasion.   

 

It seems a bit out of touch to suggest they occurred without any reaction from law enforcement or media.

 

How many photos of the BLM'ers did the FBI plaster all over the interweb asking for the public's help to identify them?  And how many did they track down to their home towns 2000 miles away in the first week?

 

Violence to achieve any political end is violence, and is unacceptable whether the victims of that violence are innocent shop owners or elected officials. 

 

Ya think some in the capitol riots would have had second thoughts if the authorities had come down harder and pursued the BLM protestors further than a few hundred meters?  If they had seen BLM rioters hunted down 2000 miles away?

[Sujo]

10 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

How many photos of the BLM'ers did the FBI plaster all over the interweb asking for the public's help to identify them?  And how many did they track down to their home towns 2000 miles away in the first week?

 

Violence to achieve any political end is violence, and is unacceptable whether the victims of that violence are innocent shop owners or elected officials. 

 

Ya think some in the capitol riots would have had second thoughts if the authorities had come down harder and pursued the BLM protestors further than a few hundred meters?  If they had seen BLM rioters hunted down 2000 miles away?

Blm protest was not political. They were not protesting anything to do with politics.

 

How many of them broke into the capitol to try and kill politicians and overthrow the election results.

 

Only one group were terrorists.

[Opl]

36 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

How many photos of the BLM'ers did the FBI plaster all over the interweb asking for the public's help to identify them?  And how many did they track down to their home towns 2000 miles away in the first week?

 

Violence to achieve any political end is violence, and is unacceptable whether the victims of that violence are innocent shop owners or elected officials. 

 

Ya think some in the capitol riots would have had second thoughts if the authorities had come down harder and pursued the BLM protestors further than a few hundred meters?  If they had seen BLM rioters hunted down 2000 miles away?

 

So you really believe BLM demonstrators would have been allowed to return home, had they commited similar violent acts storming the Capitol - like it was the case here? 

[impulse]

28 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Blm protest was not political. They were not protesting anything to do with politics.

 

How many of them broke into the capitol to try and kill politicians and overthrow the election results.

 

Only one group were terrorists.

 

If you don't believe systemic police brutality is a political issue, we don't live in the same world.  I guess the BLM'ers figured they'd change things by burning down entire neighborhoods and looting. 

 

Because nothing screams justice like a big screen TV stolen from some innocent shop keep, just before you set fire to his block.

 

Violence against innocent civilians to achieve a political end is the very definition of terrorism.

 

[impulse]

17 minutes ago, Opl said:

 

So you really believe BLM demonstrators would have been allowed to return home, had they commited similar violent acts storming the Capitol - like it was the case here? 

 

Would have been?  It's a matter of history that they were allowed to go on their way after burning entire neighborhoods. 

 

Edit:  If the FBI has posted photos and videos of BLM rioters looting, burning and destroying, or asking for the public's help to ID them, or going after them in their homes 2000 miles away from the destruction, I sure haven't seen it. 

 

Post up if you have...

Edited January 17, 2021 by impulse

[Opl]

14 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Would have been?  It's a matter of history that they were allowed to go on their way after burning entire neighborhoods.

there were opportunist looters and white supremacists such as the  Boogaloo Bois inciting violence to start a race war

3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests (businessinsider.fr)  

 

Capitol riot included military veterans and law enforcement - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

Edited January 17, 2021 by Opl

[Sujo]

29 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

If you don't believe systemic police brutality is a political issue, we don't live in the same world.  I guess the BLM'ers figured they'd change things by burning down entire neighborhoods and looting. 

 

Because nothing screams justice like a big screen TV stolen from some innocent shop keep, just before you set fire to his block.

 

Violence against innocent civilians to achieve a political end is the very definition of terrorism.

 

Yes it is, thats why trumps people are terrorists.

 

If you dont understand that blm was not a political protest then i cant help you.

[candide]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

Would have been?  It's a matter of history that they were allowed to go on their way after burning entire neighborhoods. 

 

Edit:  If the FBI has posted photos and videos of BLM rioters looting, burning and destroying, or asking for the public's help to ID them, or going after them in their homes 2000 miles away from the destruction, I sure haven't seen it. 

 

Post up if you have...

And as usual......B.S.!

"Hundreds of Domestic Terrorism Investigations Opened Since Start of George Floyd Protests, Official Says"

https://www.voanews.com/usa/race-america/hundreds-domestic-terrorism-investigations-opened-start-george-floyd-protests

 

The FBI’s New U.S. Terrorist Threat: ‘Black Identity Extremists’

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/06/the-fbi-has-identified-a-new-domestic-terrorist-threat-and-its-black-identity-extremists/

 

The FBI Used Its Most Advanced Spy Plane To Watch Black Lives Matter Protests

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/fbi-surveillance-plane-black-lives-matter-dc

[impulse]

19 minutes ago, candide said:

And as usual......B.S.!

"Hundreds of Domestic Terrorism Investigations Opened Since Start of George Floyd Protests, Official Says"

https://www.voanews.com/usa/race-america/hundreds-domestic-terrorism-investigations-opened-start-george-floyd-protests

 

The FBI’s New U.S. Terrorist Threat: ‘Black Identity Extremists’

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/06/the-fbi-has-identified-a-new-domestic-terrorist-threat-and-its-black-identity-extremists/

 

The FBI Used Its Most Advanced Spy Plane To Watch Black Lives Matter Protests

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/fbi-surveillance-plane-black-lives-matter-dc

 

Yet, dozens of capitol protestors doing the perp walk on TV just in the past week.  Some of them 3000 miles away from DC.  How many BLM protestors have you seen doing a perp walk in the past 6 months?  How many publicly released photos of BLM protestors, asking for the public's help to ID them?

 

Even if they are pursuing them with any vigor -and that's doubtful- the optics stink.

 

Don't bother responding if you can't answer those 2 simple questions.  Easy ones.

 

[impulse]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Yes it is, thats why trumps people are terrorists.

 

If you dont understand that blm was not a political protest then i cant help you.

 

Wow.  Just wow.  I sure hope their leaders know better.  Because the ONLY way to get the reforms they seek is through the political process.  The civil rights movement is proof of that.

 

If they don't get the legislative, executive and judicial branches onboard, they're in for a long and frustrating season of never ending protests.  Sure, they may get the satisfaction of carrying signs, scaring the locals, burning out innocent shop owners, and scoring some real good loot.  But all the reform they seek is coming through the political process.  Or not.  Up to them.

 

[honcho]

12 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

That’s not enough, you also have to deprogram them, otherwise they will always be a threat. 

yes the thought police must tell them how to think! freedom of thought and speech are anti woke anti consensus terrible threat having people with opinions outside the popular ideas!!!  abolish the costitution its racist, sexist and more ists...

[candide]

41 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Yet, dozens of capitol protestors doing the perp walk on TV just in the past week.  Some of them 3000 miles away from DC.  How many BLM protestors have you seen doing a perp walk in the past 6 months?  How many publicly released photos of BLM protestors, asking for the public's help to ID them?

 

Even if they are pursuing them with any vigor -and that's doubtful- the optics stink.

 

Don't bother responding if you can't answer those 2 simple questions.  Easy ones.

 

Sorry, but you're not going to impose your lame false equivalency on other TVF members!

 

How many BLM protesters stormed the Capitole,  trying to stop/disrupt a POTUS ratification?

[bendejo]

51 minutes ago, honcho said:

yes the thought police must tell them how to think!

 

How about a scam-artist real estate entrepreneur, his toadies, and his supportive media repeating repeating repeating the election was stolen from him, stolen ballots clogging up the nation's waterways, his opponent is a communist, etc without a shred of evidence to back it up, and the people being fed this are not smart enough to see through the con?  Is that who should tell them how to think?  And if anyone dare speak their disagreement denounce them, let those dumb enough to believe this nonsense threaten them and their families?  Is that your blueprint for an ideal democracy?  MAGA, baby!

 

Edited January 17, 2021 by bendejo

[Seth1a2a]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

How many photos of the BLM'ers did the FBI plaster all over the interweb asking for the public's help to identify them?

Dig a litter deeper....

The genius Capital mob provided those photos for the FBI by posting them "all over the interweb" themselves or were gleaned from security cameras inside the Capital Building ...

"BLM'ers"  did not take selfies and post them "all over the interweb".

They did not wear their work badges and more importantly they did not invade the US Capital building where there are a myriad of security cameras all throughout  the premises . 

 

They did not bludgeon a federal employee to death with a fire extinguisher.

They did not show up with zipcuffs or pipe bombs which might imply kidnapping or terrorism.... All are Investigations the F.B.I aka "Federal Bureau of Investigation" are  responsible for. . 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 17, 2021 by Seth1a2a