3 hours ago, kingdong said:

Never mind chomper,it is what it is,short term pain for long term gain,the price of freedom has never been cheap.

Gain?

Where?

Seriously - what exactly is the "gain" of Brexit. Still to hear something other than the sovereignty bull-<deleted>.

They did lower the tax on tampons. That apparently is a genuine gain of Brexit - cheaper tampons... Shame everything else is getting more expensive... - except fish - apparently fish dropped in price by a LOT, so long as you want to eat herring.

37 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Many doors to knock to beg for that grace period extension. ???? 

Come on! Only 27! ????

2 hours ago, bkk_mike said:

Gain?

Where?

Seriously - what exactly is the "gain" of Brexit. Still to hear something other than the sovereignty bull-<deleted>.

They did lower the tax on tampons. That apparently is a genuine gain of Brexit - cheaper tampons... Shame everything else is getting more expensive... - except fish - apparently fish dropped in price by a LOT, so long as you want to eat herring.

Rather eat herring than humble pie,very nice fried with a couple of slices of crusty bread.

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

What exactly did they actually do with regards to the vaccine. Oh right, they got criticized and changed course. So corrupt of them to accept valid criticism.

Changed course because when it came to ordering the vaccine they cocked it up,then tried to bully and bluster the uk,when that didn,t work they bottled it,and " changed course ".

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well the facts of the matter seem to be ‘out but want back into the privileges of membership’.

 

What a right Brexit mess this is.

Don,t worry about it the will of the people prevailed.

5 hours ago, Surelynot said:

That,ll be brussels on the ponce for higher contributions to make up for uks shortfall.

2 hours ago, smedly said:

I was trying to think of how I could put it into words 

 

you nailed it

 

nothing to add 

 

but we do need to pay a little respect for other members on here that might not be members of the now mighty UK community - we may have people posting here that are not from the UK - can you spot them lol

 

how is the Euro doing these last few of weeks - it seems to be dropping like a lead balloon - who do we blame for that 

 

The UK lol

Sure i can spot them,they remind me of those japanese soldiers who used to turn up on uninhabited islands in the pacific  30 years after the war finished.

3 hours ago, smedly said:

very cleaver and the right thing to do as the EU implodes 

 

Brussels have lost the plot and have been exposed for what they really are 

 

 

All the UK wants is trade - how simple can it be

 

Current day trade and the rules that govern it are anything but simple......

47 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Rather eat herring than humble pie,very nice fried with a couple of slices of crusty bread.

So asking for an extension is not eating humble pie?

2 hours ago, smedly said:

 

 

how is the Euro doing these last few of weeks - it seems to be dropping like a lead balloon - who do we blame for that 

 

The UK lol

 

 

€  looks to be doing fine to me 

 

 

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So asking for an extension is not eating humble pie?

Obviously there must be talks if the french are going to start playing up.anyway i won,t be eating it prefer a nice pair of hairy kippers.

It would appear that Mrs U v Leyen through her thoughtless actions has really upset the apple cart and to coin another phrase, what is good for the goose is good for the gander, a completely different ball game now. 

 

“What is required is political, not technical solutions,” Gove said, noting how disastrous a technical solution to the vaccine wars had been for the EU when a bureaucrat invoked article 16 without regard to the political ramifications.

He implicitly warns that the UK could invoke article 16 unless its demands are met. “If it is not possible to agree a way forward in the way we propose, then the UK will consider using all instruments at its disposal.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/03/northern-ireland-uk-asks-eu-to-extend-grace-periods-on-brexit-checks

 

7 hours ago, kingdong said:

Never mind chomper,it is what it is,short term pain for long term gain,the price of freedom has never been cheap.

The average UK citizens were in prison ? Now they have their new found freedom to....visit the job center, pay higher prices, enjoy restricted freedom if working or living in Europe, have all future governments with less influence in world politics, obey their American overlords.

27 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

The average UK citizens were in prison ? Now they have their new found freedom to....visit the job center, pay higher prices, enjoy restricted freedom if working or living in Europe, have all future governments with less influence in world politics, obey their American overlords.

Have less influence?you having a giraffe?it was when cameron went over in the spring cap in hand pleading to the eu about not paying eu citizens benefits and they laughed in his face that lead to the leave vote.restricted movement if working or living in europe,who cares?if europes such a great place why have we got 2.5 million of its citizens resident in the uk?

Just now, kingdong said:

Have less influence?you having a giraffe?it was when cameron went over in the spring cap in hand pleading to the eu about not paying eu citizens benefits and they laughed in his face that lead to the leave vote.restricted movement if working or living in europe,who cares?if europes such a great place why have we got 2.5 million of its citizens resident in the uk?

Hospital staff (you're going to miss them) and fruit pickers, mostly Poles and Romanians Yes, working and living in the EU is far better than the UK as a person with qualifications.

A good move by Gove to give an opportunity to the EU to save face and Von Der Leyen her job before we use article 16 ourselves.

 

She really opened a can of worms last week with that move. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Your move Ursula, if you ask nicely we might throw a few vaccines into the deal, we've got loads.

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

The average UK citizens were in prison ? Now they have their new found freedom to....visit the job center, pay higher prices, enjoy restricted freedom if working or living in Europe, have all future governments with less influence in world politics, obey their American overlords.

"Obey their American overlords" I think even by your standards that has to be classed as a tad melodramatic. ????????????

52 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Hospital staff (you're going to miss them) and fruit pickers, mostly Poles and Romanians Yes, working and living in the EU is far better than the UK as a person with qualifications.

Got no problem with anyone who wants to come to the uk to work and contribute to society,if however you want to ponce sling your hook,and now we,re out the freedom of movement will be able to enact this.

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Given this Brexit deal thing was meant to be ‘oven ready’.

 

Anybody got any ideas why 2023?

 

What kind of mess must it all be if the UK Government need two years to sort it out?!

 

With a government like the one that they've got now, It'll take a lot longer than 2 years...

27 minutes ago, vogie said:

"Obey their American overlords" I think even by your standards that has to be classed as a tad melodramatic. ????????????

You're correct, it's done more discreetly than that, in the name of 'the special relationship'....Blair sucked up to Bush and Boris sucked up Trump, he will have to purse his lips anew for Biden.

34 minutes ago, vogie said:

"Obey their American overlords" I think even by your standards that has to be classed as a tad melodramatic. ????????????

I look forward to discussing the UK/US trade deal if/when it arrives.

2 hours ago, Victornoir said:

Here is the problem of exchanges with English, endless negotiations, shattering declarations bordering on insult, final agreement torn from the forceps at the 25th hour ...

And just after signing, request for exception, renegotiation, extension.

I hope that the EU will hold its own this time to make any modification of the agreements conditional on heavy financial compensation.

And i hope the uk holds its own on the vaccine issue and sells there surplus to the highest bidder.

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

You're correct, it's done more discreetly than that, in the name of 'the special relationship'....Blair sucked up to Bush and Boris sucked up Trump, he will have to purse his lips anew for Biden.

Just keep Johnson away from the VP, she’ll maul him.

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

And i hope the uk holds its own on the vaccine issue and sells there surplus to the highest bidder.

Please explain to jay vaccines belong to the UK?

 

The UK buys it’s vaccines from pharmaceutical companies that are not owned by the UK.

4 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

You're correct, it's done more discreetly than that, in the name of 'the special relationship'....Blair sucked up to Bush and Boris sucked up Trump, he will have to purse his lips anew for Biden.

Blair sucked up to bush because clinton gave blair air support during the serbian war,when bush got in bush called the favour in and demanded support for the iraqui invasion where blair told a pack of lies about weapons of mass destruction,don,tthink boris is stupid enough to put hisself in that position.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Please explain to jay vaccines belong to the UK?

 

The UK buys it’s vaccines from pharmaceutical companies that are not owned by the UK.

We ordered them early while the eu ran around like headless chickens,so they,re now ours,i bought a harley davidson made by an american company and paid cash,so now you,re saying it dosen,t belong to me?

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Just keep Johnson away from the VP, she’ll maul him.

Knowing boris he,ll try and slip her a length.

18 minutes ago, kingdong said:

We ordered them early while the eu ran around like headless chickens,so they,re now ours,i bought a harley davidson made by an american company and paid cash,so now you,re saying it dosen,t belong to me?

The UK has its supply contract with private businesses, it has no control at all over those businesses and the growing number of other vaccine producers supplying the EU.

 

The UK has a supply contract, it does not own any vaccines beyond those in hand. 

 

If if you take your jingoism glasses off you’ll see the truth of the matter.

27 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Blair sucked up to bush because clinton gave blair air support during the serbian war,when bush got in bush called the favour in and demanded support for the iraqui invasion where blair told a pack of lies about weapons of mass destruction,don,tthink boris is stupid enough to put hisself in that position.

Alternatively, the UK does and did at is is was told.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The UK has its supply contract with private businesses, it has no control at all over those businesses and the growing number of other vaccine producers supplying the EU.

 

The UK has a supply contract, it does not own any vaccines beyond those in hand. 

 

If if you take your jingoism glasses off you’ll see the truth of the matter.

The uk put in an order early while france dithered don,t know wording of contract but would assume it was legally binding,france put their order in and were told they would do all they reasonably do to fulfill the order , for whatever reason they couldn,t and france tried to take our supply,its always someone elses fault according to the eu.