U.S. Border Patrol arrests 4,500 migrants in a day, a major increase amid fears of surge

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Son of a gun.  Go figure.  Trump used the media to highlight the dangers posed by immigrants.  Seems some here fell for it:

Republicans are treading a fine line to politicize the immigrant issues along the xenophobic and inhumane policies of Trump. Trump’s immigration policies and unpreparedness will need some undoings by the Biden’s administration. Fear mongering and xenophobic rhetorics by Trump and his sycophants didn’t win him the election because it’s highly unpopular with the younger educated demography and will not win popular support this time. It’s will backfire for the GOPs in 2022 if they continue with this pursuit. 

 

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Republicans are treading a fine line to politicize the immigrant issues along the xenophobic and inhumane policies of Trump. Trump’s immigration policies and unpreparedness will need some undoings by the Biden’s administration. Fear mongering and xenophobic rhetorics by Trump and his sycophants didn’t win him the election because it’s highly unpopular with the younger educated demography and will not win popular support this time. It’s will backfire for the GOPs in 2022 if they continue with this pursuit. 

 

Yeah, the GOP is on the bubble right now.  It could easily become a part of history, or, change and become a better party.  They're catering to the white, uneducated population.  They need a bigger tent.  Or they'll definitely become a part of history.

This coming from a reformed life long member of the GOP.

[EVENKEEL]

We're talking about the immigration problem. Trump never shied away from it. All you're doing is trolling. Trump had alot of faults but dealing with illegals wasn't one of them. Biden ran the election on being compassionate with illegals. He got alot of sympathy votes that way. Here you go joe, deal with it. Don't run and hide.

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[Eric Loh]

37 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

We're talking about the immigration problem. Trump never shied away from it. All you're doing is trolling. Trump had alot of faults but dealing with illegals wasn't one of them. Biden ran the election on being compassionate with illegals. He got alot of sympathy votes that way. Here you go joe, deal with it. Don't run and hide.

You got this part right about Trump never shied away from the immigration policy. Trump hijacked the immigration topic, reshaped the narrative, controlled the discussion nationally through lies, misinformation, hyperbole and skewed data to convinced his followers that immigrants were criminals, rapists, murderers, drug dealers and contributed nothing to the economy. He convinced the public and the GOPs in Congress to close borders, denied refugees, overcrowd the detention facilities, separated children and locked them in cages. Biden's policy is more progressive if you open your mind. like addressing the cause of immigrants from their countries and provide a safe and orderly process which are very comprehensive. To me the most notable thing he has done is change the narrative on immigration which got him lots of approval and thus won the election as you have also indicated. There will still be immigration issues but the good thing is that we don't have to deal with vile acts and false narratives again. 

[Sujo]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You got this part right about Trump never shied away from the immigration policy. Trump hijacked the immigration topic, reshaped the narrative, controlled the discussion nationally through lies, misinformation, hyperbole and skewed data to convinced his followers that immigrants were criminals, rapists, murderers, drug dealers and contributed nothing to the economy. He convinced the public and the GOPs in Congress to close borders, denied refugees, overcrowd the detention facilities, separated children and locked them in cages. Biden's policy is more progressive if you open your mind. like addressing the cause of immigrants from their countries and provide a safe and orderly process which are very comprehensive. To me the most notable thing he has done is change the narrative on immigration which got him lots of approval and thus won the election as you have also indicated. There will still be immigration issues but the good thing is that we don't have to deal with vile acts and false narratives again. 

Dont forget trump stopped aid to those countries which caused the surge.

Typical of trump, cause a problem then say only he can fix it, which he didnt.

Biden wont fix it either, but it doesnt help that the far right keep saying its open borders, which it isnt.

I hope biden starts by issuing big fines on employers that hire the illegals

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7 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

We're talking about the immigration problem. Trump never shied away from it. All you're doing is trolling. Trump had alot of faults but dealing with illegals wasn't one of them. 

The Trump administration knew migrant children would suffer from family separations. The government ramped up the practice anyway.

Internal emails and reports illustrate a chaotic attempt to track traumatized migrant children seized from parents.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/12/16/trump-administration-knew-family-separations-harm-migrant-children/

Lawyers can't find the parents of 666 migrant kids, a higher number than previously reported

Last month lawyers ordered to find migrant families separated by the Trump administration said they couldn't find parents for 545 kids. Now they say it's 666.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/lawyers-can-t-find-parents-666-migrant-kids-higher-number-n1247144

[Scott]

Troll posts and replies removed. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

15 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

We're talking about the immigration problem. Trump never shied away from it. All you're doing is trolling. Trump had alot of faults but dealing with illegals wasn't one of them. Biden ran the election on being compassionate with illegals. He got alot of sympathy votes that way. Here you go joe, deal with it. Don't run and hide.

What immigration problem, the whole thing is a rightwing fear and hate fest.

Of course Trump didn’t shy away from it, fear and hate were at the core of his failed presidency.

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On 3/15/2021 at 2:35 PM, EVENKEEL said:

Please post links when you make statements.

Trump's plan to cut aid to Central America could push more migrants to come to US

Cutting aid to Central America could fuel desperate conditions that drive immigrants to the United States’ southern border.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2019/09/23/foreign-aid-central-america-donald-trump-immigration-policy/2026687001/

[EVENKEEL]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Trump's plan to cut aid to Central America could push more migrants to come to US

Cutting aid to Central America could fuel desperate conditions that drive immigrants to the United States’ southern border.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2019/09/23/foreign-aid-central-america-donald-trump-immigration-policy/2026687001/

Look at the above post, there is no immigration crisis at out southern border. Problem solved.

[EVENKEEL]

On 3/19/2021 at 7:26 AM, placeholder said:

Trump's plan to cut aid to Central America could push more migrants to come to US

Cutting aid to Central America could fuel desperate conditions that drive immigrants to the United States’ southern border.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2019/09/23/foreign-aid-central-america-donald-trump-immigration-policy/2026687001/

Makes perfect sense, your link doesn't help your position at all. Giving money to corrupt governments who won't help curb illegal immigration is stupid.

 

"The Trump administration has said Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras will receive aid in the future only if they take “concrete actions” to reduce immigration. But experts say freezing international aid may increase the number of immigrants heading to the United States."

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[Jeffr2]

On 3/19/2021 at 7:58 AM, EVENKEEL said:

Makes perfect sense, your link doesn't help your position at all. Giving money to corrupt governments who won't help curb illegal immigration is stupid.

 

"The Trump administration has said Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras will receive aid in the future only if they take “concrete actions” to reduce immigration. But experts say freezing international aid may increase the number of immigrants heading to the United States."

 

You finally get it.  Biden's proposal is contingent on them dealing with corruption.  Trump just cut funding.  A huge difference.  Hope you can see that.

 

https://joebiden.com/centralamerica/

As president, Joe Biden will renew a robust commitment to U.S. leadership in the region and pursue a comprehensive strategy for Central America by: 

• Developing a comprehensive four-year, $4 billion regional strategy to address factors driving migration from Central America; 
• Mobilizing private investment in the region;
• Improving security and rule of law;
• Addressing endemic corruption;
• Prioritizing poverty reduction and economic development.

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On 3/19/2021 at 7:58 AM, EVENKEEL said:

Makes perfect sense, your link doesn't help your position at all. Giving money to corrupt governments who won't help curb illegal immigration is stupid.

 

"The Trump administration has said Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras will receive aid in the future only if they take “concrete actions” to reduce immigration. But experts say freezing international aid may increase the number of immigrants heading to the United States."

 

So you have evidence that the programs didn't work? 

https://www.panoramas.pitt.edu/economy-and-development/effectiveness-us-aid-guatemala

 

And do you have evidence that family planning aid didn't work as well? Is that why the Trump adminsitration slashed family planning foreign aid programs?  Did you know that there was a net outflow of Mexican undocumented workers in the usa in the previous decade? Do you think the fact that the fertility rate in Mexico was slashed thanks to family planning might have something to do with that? The the Mexican economy could absorb new workers rather than compel them to be employed elsewhere?

[Jeffr2]

On 3/19/2021 at 8:06 AM, placeholder said:

So you have evidence that the programs didn't work? 

https://www.panoramas.pitt.edu/economy-and-development/effectiveness-us-aid-guatemala

 

And do you have evidence that family planning aid didn't work as well? Is that why the Trump adminsitration slashed family planning foreign aid programs?  Did you know that there was a net outflow of Mexican undocumented workers in the usa in the previous decade? Do you think the fact that the fertility rate in Mexico was slashed thanks to family planning might have something to do with that? The the Mexican economy could absorb new workers rather than compel them to be employed elsewhere?

 

I lived in Southern California for decades.  As you know, there's a lot of immigrants there from south of the border.  I knew many, and even went to their homes in Mexico for visits.  I've spent a very long time in Mexico and love that country and the people.

 

From my experience, they'd much rather be in their home country, their home city, with their family and friends, rather than in the US trying to make money illegally.  But...due to a variety of issues, that's not possible.

 

As you say, lots of things that can be done to help address this issue.  Sadly, that's not what you'll hear on Fox News, OAN, Newsmax and the other fake news right wing media sites.  It's massively complex and due to politics and misinformation, almost impossible to fix.

 

As I've said before, I recently watched Ronald Regan during a presidential debate.  Guess what the topic was?  Immigration reform.  They've been kicking the can down the road for decades.  Sucks.

[EVENKEEL]

8 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You finally get it.  Biden's proposal is contingent on them dealing with corruption.  Trump just cut funding.  A huge difference.  Hope you can see that.

https://joebiden.com/centralamerica/

As president, Joe Biden will renew a robust commitment to U.S. leadership in the region and pursue a comprehensive strategy for Central America by: 

• Developing a comprehensive four-year, $4 billion regional strategy to address factors driving migration from Central America; 
• Mobilizing private investment in the region;
• Improving security and rule of law;
• Addressing endemic corruption;
• Prioritizing poverty reduction and economic development.

Did you read your own link. Biden is just copying Trump, just words without dealing with what's happening now. Your biden link isn't news, it's propaganda. Won't even bother with it. The folks wanting to cross the border smell weakness which is why the numbers are exploding.

I never heard biden telling the illegals not to come during the elections. Harsh measures are what's needed to curb illegals and parents sending their kids. Words won't stop it.

[Jeffr2]

On 3/19/2021 at 8:19 AM, EVENKEEL said:

Did you read your own link. Biden is just copying Trump, just words without dealing with what's happening now. Your biden link isn't news, it's propaganda. Won't even bother with it. The folks wanting to cross the border smell weakness which is why the numbers are exploding.

I never heard biden telling the illegals not to come during the elections. Harsh measures are what's needed to curb illegals and parents sending their kids. Words won't stop it.

Come on.  Copying Trump?

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[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Did you read your own link. Biden is just copying Trump, just words without dealing with what's happening now. Your biden link isn't news, it's propaganda. Won't even bother with it. The folks wanting to cross the border smell weakness which is why the numbers are exploding.

I never heard biden telling the illegals not to come during the elections. Harsh measures are what's needed to curb illegals and parents sending their kids. Words won't stop it.

There are long term measures that could be deployed to deal with the problem. Probably the most effective is a massive family planning program. Family planning has been extremely effective in Mexico. The same should be done in Central America. But Republicans know that down the line they would lose a major issue they believe works in their favor. So, instead, family planning aid abroad gets slashed.

[EVENKEEL]

Nothing to see here folks, no crisis. It's a challenge.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/border-crossings-on-pace-for-two-decade-high-as-smugglers-exploit-hopes-for-biden/ar-BB1eNo06?ocid=uxbndlbing

[Jeffr2]

44 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Nothing to see here folks, no crisis. It's a challenge.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/border-crossings-on-pace-for-two-decade-high-as-smugglers-exploit-hopes-for-biden/ar-BB1eNo06?ocid=uxbndlbing

It's definitely not a crisis.  Coronavirus is a crisis.  The border surge is only a crisis if you read the fake news right wing media sites.

No easy answers, though some try.  Mainly by bashing the current administration.  That helps nothing.

[EVENKEEL]

biden changed the policies, this fueled the surge.

 

https://www.voanews.com/usa/immigration/biden-immigration-changes-raise-hopes-concerns-us-mexico-border

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[Jeffr2]

On 3/21/2021 at 7:31 AM, EVENKEEL said:

biden changed the policies, this fueled the surge.

 

https://www.voanews.com/usa/immigration/biden-immigration-changes-raise-hopes-concerns-us-mexico-border

 

Your right.  He changed the policies.  Increasing funding to help these countries retain their citizens.  Something Trump cut, and thus, a rise of migrants at the border.

He did provide a glimmer of hope.  After 4 years of bashing by Trump. 

We need immigration.  It helps fuel our economy.  The laws are the problem.  And the media outlets who use this to just bash things politically. 

You have to be heartless not to feel for these people.  And to not want to help them in some way.

[bkkcanuck8]

41 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The democrats set the precedence with bashing trump. The right wing news stations are the only ones who take this seriously. Actually not true, CNN did a few minutes on the border crisis. Ordering Border officials to not talk with the media isn't a solution. 

The surge is not a surprise, but it is hard to be nuanced about it.  A surge would happen eventually once things started to look like the COVID situation was coming under control as there was an outflow of people going to Mexico during the heat of the pandemic -- and now that it looks like the situation is coming under control - the flow will reverse on top of the normal ebb and flow. 

[EVENKEEL]

22 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

The surge is not a surprise, but it is hard to be nuanced about it.  A surge would happen eventually once things started to look like the COVID situation was coming under control as there was an outflow of people going to Mexico during the heat of the pandemic -- and now that it looks like the situation is coming under control - the flow will reverse on top of the normal ebb and flow. 

Then why have the Border officials been ordered to keep quiet, no media ride alongs to report status. If as you say it's just business as usual.

[bkkcanuck8]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Then why have the Border officials been ordered to keep quiet, no media ride alongs to report status. If as you say it's just business as usual.

I did not say it was business as usual, the depression of the economy and the significant rebound would create greater flows in either direction.  Most of the immigrant labour that comes across is service and some of it is farm.... the service industry has been particularly hard hit (hotel cleaning staff, etc.).  This is a confluence of events that are abnormal and that creates an abnormal situation.  As far as ordered to keep quiet - no one likes bad press and this muzzling under the last administration and of in this case ... is stupid IMHO.  But then politicians like to believe they can control the narrative.

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

The surge is not a surprise, but it is hard to be nuanced about it.  A surge would happen eventually once things started to look like the COVID situation was coming under control as there was an outflow of people going to Mexico during the heat of the pandemic -- and now that it looks like the situation is coming under control - the flow will reverse on top of the normal ebb and flow. 

3 things are creating this surge.  1-Covid.  Times are tough in these countries and the people are desperate. 2-Hurricanes.  They've had 2 recently.  The damage was really bad. And combined with Covid, it's a real mess. 3-The departure of Trump.  Nuff said.

[Jeffr2]

21 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Then why have the Border officials been ordered to keep quiet, no media ride alongs to report status. If as you say it's just business as usual.

If you read the reports, they are doing what they've always done.  Keep media contacts to specific individuals. 

Trump used the media to rile his base up.  Showing arrests, surges at the border, etc.  Sadly, MAGA people like this stuff.

[Jeffr2]

32 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Then why have the Border officials been ordered to keep quiet, no media ride alongs to report status. If as you say it's just business as usual.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/biden-administration-limits-what-border-patrol-can-share-media-about-n1261133

A DHS spokesperson said the agency is following standards set in 2014.

"Across the federal government, certain employees are designated spokespeople for their respective agencies and public statements are vetted to ensure accuracy. This standard and process has been followed at DHS since the Department's inception and across bipartisan administrations. Customs and Border Protection continues to publicly provide the same monthly data on the same schedule as it has since 2014," the spokesperson said.

The Trump administration's media strategy for DHS often focused on highlighting the dangers posed by migrants, at times inflating the risk. Politically appointed public affairs officials under President Donald Trump pushed local border sectors to publicize arrests and to take national media organizations to the border to see agents in action.

[cdemundo]

On 3/5/2021 at 1:28 AM, timendres said:

 

Every blue mask you see in that photo was handed out by the reporters for the photo op.

I'm curious, how do you know that?  What about the t-shirts?, that looks kind of staged as well.

[cdemundo]

On 3/7/2021 at 9:17 PM, Masterton said:

 

 The wall may not have been finished yet, but hundreds of miles were built. And despite what you may have heard on CNN, areas where the new wall was built resulted in a 95% drop in illegal crossings according to the US Border patrols. 

 

Biden and his party only care about future Democrat voters. If the overwhelming majority of people illegally crossing the border were future Republican voters, the wall would have 100% Democrat support, be double the height and twice as long, with turrets containing automated machine guns, and an alligator filled moat running below it. 

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46748492

"The Trump administration say they've completed more than 400 miles of border wall since then. 

It's 452 miles (727 km) in total, according to the latest US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) information (4 January 2021). 

 

However, only 80 miles of new barriers have been built where there were none before - that includes 47 miles of primary wall, and 33 miles of secondary wall built to reinforce the initial barrier. 

 

The vast majority of the 452 miles is replacing existing structures at the border that had been built by previous US administrations.

 

President Trump has argued that this should be regarded as new wall, because it's replacing what he called "old and worthless barriers."

 

[Scott]

The current situation at the border is certainly chaotic.   There are several contributing factors, not the least of which is Covid.   

As it now stands, the people being allowed to enter are primarily unaccompanied minors.  They were allowing families with small children in, but I see today some were returned to Mexico.   I suspect it is due to the overcrowded conditions and they were at a legitimate border crossing, so the circumstances are a little vague.  

Much of this is due to Mexico's policy.  It has disallowed the return of families and small children, but has allowed the return of single adults.   Since many of these people are not Mexican citizens, they have no obligation to take non-Mexicans back.  

The wall is not proving very effective.   There have been holes cut it in and home made ladders to breach it.