Meghan and Harry to lift lid on royal split in Oprah interview

[gunderhill]

On 3/8/2021 at 8:55 AM, colinneil said:

Absolute rubbish, Yoko Ono was not an attention seeking manipulating person Markle is.

Comparing the 2 is laughable.

Just a  weirdo manipulating  Lennon, hang on sounds  familiar?

[gunderhill]

1 hour ago, katana said:

In Meghan and Harry's Oprah interview, they claimed that a member of the family raised concerns about what colour their unborn child might be.
It's 2021. People shouldn't care if a baby is ginger or not.

Now youv'e really gone and   crossed the  line, Ginger and dusky omg.

[gunderhill]

9 hours ago, roo860 said:

I'm laughing at all the jokes doing the rounds in the UK, probably would be banned if I  posted any!!

????????????????

And that's  right where the world  has  gone wrong and I'm sick of it. Bring on the jokes.

[shy coconut]

My first wife in the UK was from Mauritius, when she was pregnant with our eldest daughter,who has just turned 30, there was speculation regarding what colour she may potentially be. I wouldn't call it concerns and neither me, nor my ex were traumatized. My brother married a ginger girl and there was speculation regarding their off springs potential hair colour.

 

I'm not equating hair colour to racial prejudice, we as a family received some awful abuse from narrow minded fools, she handled it far better than me with the sad expertise of someone who had known abuse all her life.

What I am trying to say is, echoing Meghan's father, that maybe the comments were not supposed to be abusive, rather they may well have come from someone who may not have inter racial experiences beyond meeting commonwealth subjects on royal engagements.   

 They sound to me to be a clumsy, dumb attempt to converse with someone a long way outside of their regular family circle.

 

Of course, I am only speculating here, no one has heard the context the comments were made in, I have heard that they were made to Henry, not Meghan but that too may well be untrue.

To end this lengthy post, if I had had suicidal thoughts, I really don't think putting that out there in the public domain does anyone any good, and it does seem to me that Henry will have a huge problem regarding any future relationship with his family, which I find rather sad.

 

 

[gunderhill]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

I think Piers Morgan summed it up well. 

Thankfully  he  is a  bastion of  integrity even in his share  dealings, well  so  I heard.

On 7 December 2005, Bhoyrul and Hipwell were convicted of conspiracy to breach the Financial Services Act. During the trial it emerged that Morgan had bought £67,000 worth of Viglen shares, emptying his bank account and investing under his (first) wife's name, too.

[gunderhill]

11 minutes ago, shy coconut said:

and neither me, nor my ex were traumatized.

You  only  have to fart today and someone somewhere gets traumatized.

[Credo]

I watched the special and found it interesting.  

It took a lot of courage for them to leave the family and pursue their own path.  I believe every word that was said, but I think there is some context missing.  

It's normal to speculate about how an unborn child, but that speculation can only be done by certain people, otherwise it can be very offensive.   I'd tend to think that in a biracial relationship it would be best left not discussed.  

I suspect it would have been less offensive to them if things were going a little better, but with her experiencing depression and some sense of alienation, it didn't quite work.   

Anyone experiencing depression should be taken seriously.   It appears that it wasn't.   

My biggest take away was a new insight of how restrictive life in the monarchy can be.  In spite of all the money and the perks, they have a demanding job and extremely high expectations.   

I wish the entire family well.  Long Live the Queen.

 

 

[Neeranam]

4 hours ago, Credo said:

It's normal to speculate about how an unborn child, but that speculation can only be done by certain people, otherwise it can be very offensive.   I'd tend to think that in a biracial relationship it would be best left not discussed.  

I discussed the browness that my children would he, there's nothing wrong with it at all. Asbestos, I don't believe a word and she lied about the kid not getting titles because of his skin. 

This women is a liar. This man is a fool. 

[impulse]

8 hours ago, newnative said:

     It took several days but we finally got a very short response to the H&M interview from the Royal Family.  The main points: 

Point 1.  .....

Point 2.  .....

Point 3.  ....

Point 4.  Thank God the heat's off Andrew for awhile.

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

I discussed the browness that my children would he, there's nothing wrong with it at all. Asbestos, I don't believe a word and she lied about the kid not getting titles because of his skin. 

This women is a liar. This man is a fool. 

Absolutely. Would speculating about whether it was a boy or a girl be sexist? Of course not.

I'd imagine this was part of a normal family conversation about whether the baby would take more after the mother or the father. But Markle has to turn it into some racism drama so all her Woke fans can be outraged and scream RACIST. Why? Simply because that's what they do to make themselves feel moral and virtuous.

The fact that she's too cowardly to say who said this awful thing and therefore putting the whole family 'under suspicion' is contemptible.

[overherebc]

18 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

It's not quite that straightforward. You take an exam as a captain (it used to be called PQS2 but it probably has a much more complicated name now) in your mid to late 20s and there were two grades of pass. A pass for promotion meant that you could become a major in due course, but were very unlikely to be promoted further. Although not unknown to fail, most  achieve a promotion pass. A pass for Staff College meant that, provided you received the appropriate recommendations over a series of annual reports (3 I think) you were eligible to be selected for Staff College, which opened the door to further promotion.

 

As Prince Harry left as as a mid seniority captain I doubt that he took the exam.

Moving from non-com to 'officer' it is very unusual to go further than major

( except war time ) As a major, coming from the ranks you are still in the cannon fodder situation. You don't have the 'social standing' or connections for the 'higher ranks'

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, overherebc said:

Moving from non-com to 'officer' it is very unusual to go further than major

( except war time ) As a major, coming from the ranks you are still in the cannon fodder situation. You don't have the 'social standing' or connections for the 'higher ranks'

It is quite possible to be selected for Sandhurst after a period in the ranks until aged about 30. There were two fellows in my company (1976) who had been Sergeants before RMAS. They are usually given some  backdated seniority on bring commissioned to help to bridge the age gap with their peers. It was noticable that the academic staff bent over backwards to give them the very best in assistance during the academic phase of the course.

 

Most commissioned from the ranks are "late entry commissions', (used to be called Quartermasters Commissions), usually commissioned from Warrant Officer direct to Captain aged about 40. They are employed in specialised appointments, quartermasters, motor transport officers, specialist instructors and the like. They can and do rise to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. Normal retirement is at 55.

Promotion to "higher ranks" throughout the army is based on ability, not social standing or connections. Age inevitably is a major limiting factor for those coming to through the ranks.

[Neeranam]

20 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I loved the part in the RF statement about how "some recollections may vary". A very classy way of saying this woman wouldn't know the truth if it slapped her in the face. Well done.

Indeed, I missed that. 

[law ling]

1. Skin color issue - it depends on the context - and by leaving that out, they allowed it to have the worst possible interpretation - and by declining to name the person, they smear everyone - and by mentioning it in the same sentence as titles and protection, they intended it as a big "gotcha" moment.

2  The skin remarks were made to Harry - would a wise husband report this to a fragile, hyper-sensitive, thinking-of-suicide wife?

3. Be warned: smart phones can easily video and audio record - I look forward to a Part Two expose when Megan pulls out the big guns.

4. Didn't the couple originally want a six-month royal life and a six-month free, money-making life? That was the game plan, but the Queen said no, and having burnt their bridges, the couple have found themselves in a position they didn't really want.

5. A husband might do better to quickly rid himself of a  troublesome, high-demand, nothing's-ever-good-enough wife. The husband here can't do that: it would make him truely the laughing-stock of the entire world.
 

[gunderhill]

10 hours ago, shy coconut said:

My first wife in the UK was from Mauritius, when she was pregnant with our eldest daughter,who has just turned 30, there was speculation regarding what colour she may potentially be. I wouldn't call it concerns and neither me, nor my ex were traumatized. My brother married a ginger girl and there was speculation regarding their off springs potential hair colour.

 

I'm not equating hair colour to racial prejudice, we as a family received some awful abuse from narrow minded fools, she handled it far better than me with the sad expertise of someone who had known abuse all her life.

What I am trying to say is, echoing Meghan's father, that maybe the comments were not supposed to be abusive, rather they may well have come from someone who may not have inter racial experiences beyond meeting commonwealth subjects on royal engagements.   

 They sound to me to be a clumsy, dumb attempt to converse with someone a long way outside of their regular family circle.

 

Of course, I am only speculating here, no one has heard the context the comments were made in, I have heard that they were made to Henry, not Meghan but that too may well be untrue.

To end this lengthy post, if I had had suicidal thoughts, I really don't think putting that out there in the public domain does anyone any good, and it does seem to me that Henry will have a huge problem regarding any future relationship with his family, which I find rather sad.

 

 

 

 

 

Always loved this  photo of a girl from the Kalbeliya tribe, stunning greeny  eye  colour and for those interested here's  the documentary 

 

[overherebc]

51 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

It is quite possible to be selected for Sandhurst after a period in the ranks until aged about 30. There were two fellows in my company (1976) who had been Sergeants before RMAS. They are usually given some  backdated seniority on bring commissioned to help to bridge the age gap with their peers. It was noticable that the academic staff bent over backwards to give them the very best in assistance during the academic phase of the course.

 

Most commissioned from the ranks are "late entry commissions', (used to be called Quartermasters Commissions), usually commissioned from Warrant Officer direct to Captain aged about 40. They are employed in specialised appointments, quartermasters, motor transport officers, specialist instructors and the like. They can and do rise to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. Normal retirement is at 55.

Promotion to "higher ranks" throughout the army is based on ability, not social standing or connections. Age inevitably is a major limiting factor for those coming to through the ranks.

You obviously didn't have some of the 'subby' chinless wonders we had at times.

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, overherebc said:

You obviously didn't have some of the 'subby' chinless wonders we had at times.

Short service commissions - they only did the first half of the RMAS process, served for  3 years, extended up to 6  based on performance. Gone before Captain. Lots of my time as a Company 2 IC was spent sorting out the various nauseas which they had created. To be fair much of the Company Sergeant Major's time was equally spent sorting out newly promoted JNCO's. 2Lts and LCpls are equally prone to making cock ups, that is how the good ones learn. They didn't feature on the various career promotion routes.

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

Short service commissions - they only did the first half of the RMAS process, served for  3 years, extended up to 6  based on performance. Gone before Captain. Lots of my time as a Company 2 IC was spent sorting out the various nauseas which they had created. To be fair much of the Company Sergeant Major's time was equally spent sorting out newly promoted JNCO's. 2Lts and LCpls are equally prone to making cock ups, that is how the good ones learn. They didn't feature on the various career promotion routes.

Worst of the lot were the Terri officers who sometimes came on exercise with us.

[ExpatOK]

Two whiny millionaires complaining to a billionaire about their lot in life.

[Sujo]

14 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Absolutely. Would speculating about whether it was a boy or a girl be sexist? Of course not.

I'd imagine this was part of a normal family conversation about whether the baby would take more after the mother or the father. But Markle has to turn it into some racism drama so all her Woke fans can be outraged and scream RACIST. Why? Simply because that's what they do to make themselves feel moral and virtuous.

The fact that she's too cowardly to say who said this awful thing and therefore putting the whole family 'under suspicion' is contemptible.

Why are you only talking about markle. Harry was there and backed her about what was said. He even said a large part of why they left was racism.

 

[Sujo]

4 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

Two whiny millionaires complaining to a billionaire about their lot in life.

Is there a $ value on racism and mental health?

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Is there a $ value on racism and mental health?

I imagine that most people would reply 'No' but, given that Mr. and Mrs. Harry Windsor were apparently willing to work 50% of their time for a 'racist' and 'mentally abusive' institution, then so far as they are concerned I guess that the answer is 'Yes'.

[7by7]

The reason why their son doesn't have a title has nothing to do with racism, perceived or otherwise. Much as Markle and Winfrey appeared to wish it were so.

Who is and who isn’t a prince or princess in the British Royal Family and why doesn’t Archie have a title?

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The Queen’s great-grandchildren including Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s son Archie, Princess Eugenie’s son August Brooksbank, Zara Tindall and Peter Phillips children do not possess the title of ‘prince’ or ‘princess’.

It is, of course, possible that Markle didn't know this; but the Prince Harry should have known that his cousin's children had no titles! If not, it would have been easy enough to have found out at the time.

Indeed, as that article says 

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Archie, who will turn two in May, was entitled to the ‘courtesy title’ Earl of Dumbarton. However, the couple announced after his birth that they had not given him a courtesy title and he would be known as Archie Mountbatten-Windsor.

This blunder on her part throws the rest of her version of events into doubt. As the Palace communique diplomatically said: "recollections may vary."

[Credo]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

The reason why their son doesn't have a title has nothing to do with racism, perceived or otherwise. Much as Markle and Winfrey appeared to wish it were so.

Who is and who isn’t a prince or princess in the British Royal Family and why doesn’t Archie have a title?

It is, of course, possible that Markle didn't know this; but the Prince Harry should have known that his cousin's children had no titles! If not, it would have been easy enough to have found out at the time.

Indeed, as that article says 

This blunder on her part throws the rest of her version of events into doubt. As the Palace communique diplomatically said: "recollections may vary."

At no time did Megan indicate that he was 'entitled' to have a title.  The issue being discussed were related to the issue of security for Archie.   

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/8/2021 at 7:51 PM, curlylekan said:

I'm not British and I can see where there are plu and minuses to the royal family, but I'd take the royal's side over a Hollywood drama queen and her hypocrisy anyday.

I like the queen being head of state for NZ as it means we don't have to pay even more for another politician to be head of state ( including special building for them ), plus the election cost. IMO the less politicians we have to pay for the better.

 

Re Meghan- watching the bit of the interview I saw when she was speaking, I just kept reminding myself that she is an actress.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, overherebc said:

Worst of the lot were the Terri officers who sometimes came on exercise with us.

Agree.

[kingdong]

On 3/8/2021 at 2:39 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Had she never heard of Diana then? I'm saying this one has bells on, IMO.

Obviously thought she could change the royal family to suit her own agenda as diana and fergie tried to before her without success.

[kingdong]

On 3/8/2021 at 8:41 AM, Sujo said:

Born into money and privilege has nothing to do with his brains and all to do with how easy it was for to have millions.

Born into money and privilege dosen,t automatically qualify you to pilot a helicopter.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, kingdong said:

Obviously thought she could change the royal family to suit her own agenda as diana and fergie tried to before her without success.

I disagree that Fergie had that agenda- IMO she was led by Diana, as she was, IMO, not one with a strong personality- she seems to have vanished now, and I can't imagine Diana "vanishing" if she was still alive.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

Born into money and privilege dosen,t automatically qualify you to pilot a helicopter.

I don't think anyone is disparaging Harry for what he did pre meghan. However, how many helo pilots go on to make millions?