Popular Post rooster59 Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 Thailand abruptly halts AstraZeneca vaccine rollout after 30 clotting cases in 5 million in Europe Image: Sanook Thailand has dramatically halted its rollout of the first batch of vaccine aginst Covid-19 from AstraZeneca. This despite the fact that just 30 cases of clotting in blood vessels was reported in 5 million vaccinations in Europe. Sanook reported that word from Denmark that the use of AstraZeneca had been halted there resulted in Thailand following suit. Austria, Norway and Iceland were among countries to also call a temporary halt. Though the European medicines Agency - EMA - did not say that anyone should stop the rollout though they were looking into the cases. The story about Thailand's decision made #2 on the BBC's news website yesterday. They reported that countries including Australia, Portugal, Mexico and the Philippines were proceding to use AstraZeneca. They also reported that the WHO were backing the AstraZeneca vaccine with no recommendation to halting its use. Sanook said Thailand were the only country in Asia that were suspending its use. Meanwhile delivery of the Chinese vaccine Sinovac into the arms of hundreds of thousands of front line health workers and other people continues in Thailand. The move to stop using AstraZeneca came at the eleventh hour when Thai prime minister Prayuth Chan-ocha was set to receive the vaccine with members of his cabinet in a show designed to inspire confidence in the public. Prayuth was quoted by Sanook as saying that he was not afraid to be vaccinated but was just following medical advice. He called for the press to "stop the drama". -- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2021-03-13 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Rice Balls Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Panic in the Streets! take Cover!!! everyone into your 20 baht 7-11 ponchos until further updated....keep away from any and all non-thais! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stocky Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, rooster59 said: 30 cases of clotting in blood vessels was reported in 5 million vaccinations Better statistics than for the general occurrence of blood clots in the population which is about 1:1,000 How do the stats compare to the chances of death or serious injury on a Thai road? They need to have some perspective! Edited March 13, 2021 by Stocky 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post internationalism Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) "Meanwhile delivery of the Chinese vaccine Sinovac into the arms of hundreds of thousands of front line health workers and other people continues in Thailand." only 35k doses were given since 28.2, so only 3k per day. only some 3k were given to medics. some vials of those 200k already imported were distributed to hospitals, but looks like they are keeping it for some sort of emergency, maybe outbrake. so, practically, there is no vaccination program in thailand. Astrazeneca was the main vax. Those 2mln sinovac is only 1.5% of total contracted. Edited March 13, 2021 by internationalism 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post petermik Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Stocky said: They need to have some perspective! That needs thought....they don`t do thought very well here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RR2020 Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Stocky said: Better statistics than for the general occurrence of blood clots in the population which is about 1:1,000 How do the stats compare to the chances of death or serious injury on a Thai road? They need to have some perspective! Exactly.......this is a battle over profits and politics. AZ is not profit making.......and so........no chance of corruption money around the world. AZ being cheap also means China and others cannot sell their influence by offering vaccines......... The USA cannot gain political power offering its vaccines............the EU cannot gain political power offerings its vaccines.......... So there are a lot of "knives out" to try to get people not to buy AZ vaccine. Its all about profit and power. 30 cases in 5 million is less than the general level in the population, so how its a problem is amazing spin by those against AZ. 10 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Stocky said: Better statistics than for the general occurrence of blood clots in the population which is about 1:1,000 How do the stats compare to the chances of death or serious injury on a Thai road? They need to have some perspective! I wondered about that.......are they saying 30 in total....or an additional 30 above what might expected......if it is the former who the hell is kicking off about it and why?......if it is the latter then yes.......possibly need to worry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post polpott Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, RR2020 said: So there are a lot of "knives out" to try to get people not to buy AZ vaccine. Its all about profit and power. During stage 3 trials a spurious case of death was reported. it was investigated and found to be not related to the vaccine. All countries conducting trials immediately restarted the trials except the US who took several weeks to restart the trials without explanation. The AZ trials still haven't been completed in the US, again without explanation. The only vaccines approved in the US are produced in the US by American big Pharma. A clear case of protectionism. Prices? AZ $5, Pfizer $20, Moderna $38. Profits before people. Only in America. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, polpott said: Only in America Bang on up to that point......Serco....G4S......Tory pub landlords? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grantbkk Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 You cannot make this stuff up. A medical hub of hubs with no vaccine? Is there a problem with how to decide how to make money on this? Is there a press photo of the AZ vaccine? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RR2020 Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) This shines light on it. No sign Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine causes blood clots: Canadian health authorities | CTV News . Edited March 13, 2021 by onthedarkside quote of hidden post removed 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LomSak27 Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, polpott said: Prices? AZ $5, Pfizer $20, Moderna $38. Profits before people. Only in America. Perhaps, the added cost is what you pay for a vaccine with no clotting 'issues', unlike Astrazeneca. 33 minutes ago, polpott said: The only vaccines approved in the US are produced in the US by American big Pharma. A clear case of protectionism. Vaccine nationalism is ridiculous, that said, Germans who have access to both have been shunning AstraZeneca and want pfizer. Ridiculous, sure, but you see it here on Thaivisa too. Cheers. Edited March 13, 2021 by LomSak27 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post polpott Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 minute ago, LomSak27 said: Perhaps, the added cost is what you pay for a vaccine with no clotting 'issues', like Astrazeneca. Its what you pay to allow big pharma to make massive profits out of a global crisis. No clotting issues with AZ. 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 minute ago, LomSak27 said: Perhaps, the added cost is what you pay for a vaccine with no clotting 'issues', like Astrazeneca. Vaccine nationalism is ridiculous, that said, Germans who have access to both have been shunning AstraZeneca and want pfizer. Ridiculous, sure, but you see it here on Thaivisa too. Cheers. There was always going to vaccine nationalism .......few governments are prepared to share vaccines until they feel they can allow excess quantities to be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) This was an utterly ridiculous and intensely cowardly decision. Out of millions of people, a random number would develop these conditions. There is no science behind the panic. Only fear and ignorance. I would take this vaccine right now. The vastly incompetent authorities here just don't get it. They are NOT prioritizing the vaccine. And the economy is devastated. But a large part of the problem stems from having multi-millionaire leaders. Tone deaf to the needs of the nation would be an understatement. Unfortunately, at this rate, tourism will take many years to rebound, leaving millions out of work. Edited March 13, 2021 by spidermike007 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, polpott said: AZ $5, Pfizer $20, Moderna $38 And there ladies and gentlemen we have the reason. No opportunity really to turn a buck for various middlemen... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Emdog Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 30 cases out of 5 million shots (I know, some dispute that number). For risk comparison: The rate for traffic road deaths (2019) in Europe is 51 per million, so if those numbers hold, 255 of those jabbed would be in line for traffic deaths. Thailand of course is much worse: "Using its own methods (called "Projected death registration data"), the WHO estimates the number of road traffic deaths in 2013 at 24,237 persons, or a Rate per 100,000 population fo 36.2" (or 362 per million) I reckon far more likely to die from traffic accidents than any vaccine related side effect. If the numbers hold, could expect maybe 1,810 Thais of 5 million jabbed to die from traffic smashups sometime during the year... but good luck on getting 5 million doses here any time soon. https://www.thaiwebsites.com/caraccidents.asp 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybuz Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, grantbkk said: You cannot make this stuff up. A medical hub of hubs with no vaccine? Is there a problem with how to decide how to make money on this? Is there a press photo of the AZ vaccine? Do they have the az vaccine.?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthedarkside Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 A trolling post and a misinformation post on the extent of the blood clotting reports in Europe have been removed, along with several replies to the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post onthedarkside Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 Per the OP: Quote This despite the fact that just 30 cases of clotting in blood vessels was reported in 5 million vaccinations in Europe. Also: Oxford-AstraZeneca: EU says 'no indication' vaccine linked to clots "There is no indication that the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine is linked to an increased risk of blood clots, the EU's medicines regulator says. It said the number of cases in vaccinated people was no higher than in the general population. ... "There is currently no indication that vaccination has caused these conditions, which are not listed as side effects with this vaccine," the European Medicines Agency (EMA) said on Thursday." AND "In the UK, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said there was no evidence the vaccine had caused problems, and people should still go and get vaccinated when asked to do so. "Blood clots can occur naturally and are not uncommon. More than 11 million doses of the Covid-19 AstraZeneca vaccine have now been administered across the UK," said Phil Bryan of the MHRA." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56357760 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ukrules Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2021 No vaccinations means more outbreaks and lockdowns. They made their choice, it's just a matter of how long they wait until they back pedal and roll it out. They will back pdeal, it is inevitable, they do this time and time again and never seem to learn. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Are they now sitting on a stockpile of AZ vaccine? Vaccine expires when? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, klauskunkel said: Are they now sitting on a stockpile of AZ vaccine? Vaccine expires when? Six months (if stored correctly).....!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPapillon Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 a lot of medical staff in Europe on the front line won't take the AZ vaccine, side effects are quite strong etc... like having Covid without the complications 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upnotover Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, Surelynot said: Six months (if stored correctly).....!!! Lets hope they keep the fridges on at night, unlike some bars I have known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from the home of CC Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Sticky Rice Balls said: Panic in the Streets! take Cover!!! everyone into your 20 baht 7-11 ponchos until further updated....keep away from any and all non-thais! I have for years... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from the home of CC Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 imo this all results in the early initial missteps that occurred during trials with age group non representation and a measuring conflict - a rush to production resulted in a few mistakes that have proven very costly even though subsequent trialing went well.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said: And there ladies and gentlemen we have the reason. No opportunity really to turn a buck for various middlemen... 22 billion baht for a submarine that is essentially useless from day one. But, no money for effective vaccines. What does that tell us? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 minute ago, from the home of CC said: imo this all results in the early initial missteps that occurred during trials with age group non representation and a measuring conflict - a rush to production resulted in a few mistakes that have proven very costly even though subsequent trialing went well.. God forbid you are correct.....however........ if this turns out to be the case then the real question is........how do the Tories spin it is be someone else' fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: 22 billion baht for a submarine that is essentially useless from day one. But, no money for effective vaccines. What does that tell us? Submarines are staggeringly more important than the health of one's own citizens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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