19 hours ago, internationalism said:

if unlikely to be related, there is no point for the title.

and no point for passing this as an important information 

Exactly

On 3/27/2021 at 2:52 AM, geisha said:

 Hundreds of thousands of vaccinations, and 40 odd medical problems due to previous medical conditions. Work it out. 

 

 There are risks involved with vaccinations. They might be small but for some very serious. To deny something like this would be very stupid. And for sure nobody should get the vaccination without clarification of his health condition. Also medication people take is important - for instance pills that suppress the immune system. Your "odd medical problems" - hope that you are not one of them.

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23 hours ago, Pravda said:

So if a patient dies of covid vaccine but has underlying health conditions then he didn't die of covid vaccine.

 

But if a patient gets covid and has underlying health conditions he then died of covid?

 

Just wondering if that's how it works?

Yes, I believe that’s how it works. That would be the correct monetary motivation and the right info to feed a docile, fearful public. But the real catch may come down the road with an increased number of deaths to be blamed on Covid instead of on the vaccine since it may be that the vaccine diminishes overall immunity. See the interview with Geert Vanden Bossche, still up on youtube. 

19 hours ago, smiggley said:

I said from the start why are they wasting the vaccine on people already on their death bed. Get the economy up and running first.

Spot on ,makes zero sense injecting those on deaths door .

This guy may well have lived a number of more years , now they top him with the Vax , if he has this history advise him not to have , don't just claim " it had nothing to do with it " ..

As with everything related to well overstated CV , the cure is more of a problem than the disease .

 

But , I get it has to happen to get the place open , no need to shoot up the sick and very old , start with the healthy and then let's see what happens ..

RIP , what a tragic end for the family .

55 minutes ago, Harveyg said:

Yes, I believe that’s how it works. That would be the correct monetary motivation and the right info to feed a docile, fearful public. But the real catch may come down the road with an increased number of deaths to be blamed on Covid instead of on the vaccine since it may be that the vaccine diminishes overall immunity. See the interview with Geert Vanden Bossche, still up on youtube. 

This is the exact problem , it may well hinder getting to herd . Here we did well because of few actions , with border closures nothing much coming in , and in general good natural immunity .

 

Just like a Thai caddy , you will take " Just don't hinder " , this is the risk of this Vax on the healthy .

 

I'm not anti vax by any means , I've had every Vax I could have to now , but nothing beats a strong , functional , updated , exposed , immune , you must have a functional immune .

Lockdowns do not assist this , and decrease required exposure .

13 hours ago, Been There said:

So are you saying .... there is no chance that he had a bad reaction to the vaccine ?
There's plenty of people have a life threatening health condition and live until a ripe old age.

 

 

From the description he died of a GI hemorrhage linked to a known condition. No way that is linked to the vaccine.

39 minutes ago, sandhurstmolonski said:

This is the exact problem , it may well hinder getting to herd . Here we did well because of few actions , with border closures nothing much coming in , and in general good natural immunity .

No such thing as natural immunity by nation, its not a genetic thing. Herd immunity has never been achieved by exposure, only by immunisation.

22 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

From the description he died of a GI hemorrhage linked to a known condition. No way that is linked to the vaccine.

 

correction - he died of a ruptured abdominal aortic aneurysm (AAA) .  10 days after vaccination. No possible connection to the vaccine.

 

13 hours ago, Been There said:

That means  ... it hasn't been tested  ..... No mid or long term data available  .... 
It should be fine though ... the vaccine manufacturers have never been wrong before.

They is no time. It takes 10+ years to do long term testing. You need to weigh the risks to prevent 100s of millions from dying!

17 minutes ago, hioctane said:

 

They is no time. It takes 10+ years to do long term testing. You need to weigh the risks to prevent 100s of millions from dying!

Where did you get that figure from? 555

3 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

correction - he died of a ruptured abdominal aortic aneurysm (AAA) .  10 days after vaccination. No possible connection to the vaccine.

Just a shame he hadn't had a positive pcr test within 28 days and they could've blamed his death on covid-19 ????

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7 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

From the description he died of a GI hemorrhage linked to a known condition. No way that is linked to the vaccine.

So there's no chance this couldn't have been brought on if he had a bad reaction to the vaccine  ...... thanks for your superb medical knowledge and reassurance

 

 

On 3/26/2021 at 9:29 AM, petedk said:

Slightly off topic but,

 

How many people have been vaccinated so far?

Most countries show these statistics, but I haven't seen any figures from Thailand. Does anyone have a link?

 

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There's a BIG difference between someone dying AFTER receiving a vaccine vs. someone dying BECAUSE of the vaccine they received.

 

The data cited in the USy reporting system merely reports deaths, which occur every day with people of all ages and conditions. There's nothing in that data that establishes the cause of any of those deaths was BECAUSE of the vaccines that had been administered.

 

I'm not saying none of those deaths were related to the vaccines, because I have no basis for knowing that. But it would be equally or more misleading to misrepresent the data by inferring that the 2000+ number represents deaths caused by vaccines, because there's no basis for that.

 

 

 

Fact check: Reports of adverse effects in US database aren’t confirmed to be linked to vaccination

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"Anyone can report events to VAERS (vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html) and a disclaimer on the website of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says: “The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable” (here). When downloading the data, users are presented with a further disclaimer that the data does not include information from investigations into reported cases. The disclaimer also says “the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality” (here)."

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaers/fact-check-reports-of-adverse-effects-in-us-database-arent-confirmed-to-be-linked-to-vaccination-idUSKBN2AE0QQ

 

Also, the U.S. CDC noted on their website in an update on COVID vaccines and safety in the past week:

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

 

"126 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 22, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 2,216 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. ...

 

A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths [bold is from original source]. "

 

On 3/26/2021 at 10:08 PM, Been There said:

Swine Flu vaccine ? ...
Victims of swine flu jab to get £60m payout | The Sunday Times (thetimes.co.uk)

Those were not long term effects. The problems with the swine flu vaccine (which as has been mentioned, did not go through the normal clinical trials, unlike the Covid vaccines) showed up within a couple of weeks to months after the vaccines were given.

 

No vaccine has ever been definitively proven to have side effects that didn't show up till a year or more after vaccination. 

 

Vaccines induce a response from the body's immune system within about 2-4 weeks (that's how long it takes for it to ramp up) and after that initial reaction, the effects only ever diminish with time. They don't increase (after the initial period) and they don't have effects that sit dormant and then somehow miraculously surface after a year or more.* It's just not how vaccines' effects on the body work.

 

*Some vaccines (dengue for instance) can have an effect called antibody-dependent enhancement that shows up when the person is exposed to the actual virus but again, these effects show up as soon as the person encounters the virus, not some time later. With the Covid vaccines there has been absolutely no sign of the phenomenon in the millions of people who have received them.

On 3/26/2021 at 8:50 AM, ftpjtm said:

No mention of which vaccine he received?

in purpose to allow for bashing/speculation   555

On 3/28/2021 at 10:31 AM, GroveHillWanderer said:

Those were not long term effects. The problems with the swine flu vaccine (which as has been mentioned, did not go through the normal clinical trials, unlike the Covid vaccines) showed up within a couple of weeks to months after the vaccines were given.

 

No vaccine has ever been definitively proven to have side effects that didn't show up till a year or more after vaccination. 

 

Vaccines induce a response from the body's immune system within about 2-4 weeks (that's how long it takes for it to ramp up) and after that initial reaction, the effects only ever diminish with time. They don't increase (after the initial period) and they don't have effects that sit dormant and then somehow miraculously surface after a year or more.* It's just not how vaccines' effects on the body work.

 

*Some vaccines (dengue for instance) can have an effect called antibody-dependent enhancement that shows up when the person is exposed to the actual virus but again, these effects show up as soon as the person encounters the virus, not some time later. With the Covid vaccines there has been absolutely no sign of the phenomenon in the millions of people who have received them.

No mass vaccination program has ever used the mRNA technology.
Even the vaccine manufacturers have said the covid vaccine is experimental and has not gone through the "normal clinical trials" otherwise we could all search and see the mid to long term effects. A Quote from Healthline US .... "Because the COVID-19 vaccines have only been administered in the United States since December 2020, the long-term effects are unknown at this time."
So you are claiming, you know more than the Scientists and manufacturers ? Well done

In the first place, they should blame the doctor who advised him to get a vaccine.

 

If his health is already poor, he shouldn't be subjected to a toxic product that will make things worse. Vaccines are considered foreign and mildly toxic that's why we produce antibodies to fight against it.

 

It's not as if Thailand is having a pandemic right now, it is well under control so there's no need getting a vaccine so soon.

 

Where did that doctor got his degree in the first place?

On 3/29/2021 at 5:31 PM, Been There said:

No mass vaccination program has ever used the mRNA technology.
Even the vaccine manufacturers have said the covid vaccine is experimental and has not gone through the "normal clinical trials" otherwise we could all search and see the mid to long term effects. A Quote from Healthline US .... "Because the COVID-19 vaccines have only been administered in the United States since December 2020, the long-term effects are unknown at this time."
So you are claiming, you know more than the Scientists and manufacturers ? Well done

 

The only proven technology are those using inactivated virus that has been proven and tested for decades.

 

First they give us the killer virus then follow-up with the killer vaccine.....won't people learn ?!?

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20 hours ago, EricTh said:

 

 

Where did that doctor got his degree in the first place?

 

Please take a seat

cuz there is that one street

From whichever country you flee

you can get a degree

 

These days it's kinda quiet

cuz ASQ's is mostly at Hyatt

once jab is given to slackers

it will be back and full of backpackers

 

 

 

 

On 3/26/2021 at 2:01 AM, ThailandRyan said:

So pure speculation at this point and only conjecture.  The man could have been hit by a bus and killed, but the title still would still have said he died after having Covid vaccination...this is just...well I won't say.

This has been happening since the start, thousands upon thousands of people die every single day its just that normally we're not told about it but now we're told about it every minute of every day and the media are adding 'Died AFTER TESTING POSITIVE FOR CV19', check the way they word it, NOT DIED FROM CV19, DIED AFTER TESTING POSITIVE!

According to Bangkokpost which I am not allowed to link, the Thai monk who died hours after taking the vaccine took Astrazeneca. 

 

I am sure The Guardian is considered reliable source.

 

There are reports of blood clot in Australia

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/03/australian-covid-vaccine-astrazeneca-experts-urgently-meet-after-blood-clot-case-in-melbourne

 

Seven UK deaths reported after taking Astrazeneca.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/02/covid-further-rare-blood-clot-cases-found-in-oxford-astrazeneca-recipients