A guide to the UK variant fuelling Thailand’s third wave of COVID-19

[rioD]

If they closed the borders, only allowed in Medically cleared and quarantined people, how did they get the UK strain of the virus ?  Defies logic in my opinion.

[Jeffr2]

Just now, rioD said:

If they closed the borders, only allowed in Medically cleared and quarantined people, how did they get the UK strain of the virus ?  Defies logic in my opinion.

The border is porous.  And with the right connections, you can easily get back and forth.  Especially if going to/from the casinos just across the border.  Corruption is what's getting us into this mess.

 

[Anant72]

Knowing that the Sinovac vaccine is, by the Chinese health authorities' own admission,  50-54% effective only, why is Thailand planning to use it anyway? Because it is cheaper? Because it wants to please its overlord? If the level of effectiveness is so low, how can people expect to eradicate the virus? 
when are we going to be able to choose a vaccine we can trust like Pfizer or J &J?

[forrwhat]

Why is no one in government calling for emergency measures to expedite vaccination approval, acquisition, allocation and distribution?  The vaccines are available NOW and their are far more reliable options available than AstraZeneca with questionable  record on accuracy of information regarding efficacy and reliability.  The Sino-vaccine is an absolute joke.  J&J has a global 66% efficacy it seems like their are better options.

 

 

Edited April 12, 2021 by forrwhat

[DirtyFarang]

2 hours ago, Mywayboy said:

Dirty Farang spreading disease again they must be sneaking into Thailand 

HEY!!!  I resemble that remark!   <deleted>sakes, I've been flamed.

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[John Drake]

10 minutes ago, forrwhat said:

Why is no one in government calling for emergency measures to expedite vaccination approval, acquisition, allocation and distribution? 

 

Deer in the headlights.

[Jiggo]

8 hours ago, chasboyuk said:

Is the correct answer! Probably had been festering for months, in the refugee camps in Calais and Dunkirk.

But don't that get in the way of our former European masters!

Just wait for the "Racist" accusations to start from the EU...... 

[placnx]

1 hour ago, Anant72 said:

Knowing that the Sinovac vaccine is, by the Chinese health authorities' own admission,  50-54% effective only, why is Thailand planning to use it anyway? Because it is cheaper? Because it wants to please its overlord? If the level of effectiveness is so low, how can people expect to eradicate the virus? 
when are we going to be able to choose a vaccine we can trust like Pfizer or J &J?

There is a problem getting much vaccine from anywhere because global production capacity is insufficient. This article predicts that it will take 4.6 years to vaccinate the world at the present rate:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2103614

[NRGF]

 Vaccenation is the only answer, the sooner everyone is vaccenated the sooner the world can get back to some sort of normallety. This virus or other mutations of will never just go away, we will all need booster shots to keep it at bay. Its like HIV and other viruses still to come, we just have to learn how to live with them. 

[Regyai]

10 hours ago, WHansen said:

I think this article was written before the good Dr Yong Poovorawan announced that the new strain in Thailand, although similar to the UK variant, was different.

It actually matches the variant that has been circulating Cambodia for over month.

Unless the earlier article was not translated correctly of course.

 

Did he actually say "Same, same but different" ? ????

[Millcx]

11 hours ago, drenddy said:

Probably, one of the first lessions in virologi : viruses mutates.

 

Stop the scaremongering.

That’s all it is .. Scaremongering .... 100% will disappear after SONGKRAN CONTROL HAS BEEN COMPLETED 

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[NeoDinosaw]

12 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

 

Just a bizarre co-incidence I guess.

2020. September is record month for migrant Channel crossings

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-54188041

 

I was about to make this point myself.  The most likely source of this virulent form is France !   It arrived in UK carried by an illegal imigrant crossing the English Channel into Kent and then spread in the UK. It has subsequently spread, from France, within the EU.  The route to Thailand was probably  by someone from France visiting their ex-colony -  Cambodia -  from whence it spread to Thailand through illegal border crossings or migrant workers.   The fact that it is refered to as 'the UK variant' merely acknowledges the brilliance of British scientists in identifying and tracing different strains, not the origin of the strains themselves!

[bangon04]

At least we no longer blame our benevolent Chinese brothers....

[aboctok]

13 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

If you see the grave yards in Brazil, even if it is a small percentage, is a lot of graves, which mean that a lot of

people in Brazil have lost their relatives and friends. Same for the USA, it may be less than a million people

lost there so far, but again that is a lot of relatives and friends in the USA who have died as well.  Lucky for you 

expats in Thailand, who seem to have not lost anyone you know, but just wait a while longer, even a few of you 

will likely get to know that someone you knew has also died.  Say welcome to the UK variety as it has already arrived in Thailand.

Geezer

Nice and cheerful, that's how we like it.

[aboctok]

6 hours ago, Millcx said:

That’s all it is .. Scaremongering .... 100% will disappear after SONGKRAN CONTROL HAS BEEN COMPLETED 

Some people say it goes away with the heat.

[Jeffr2]

7 hours ago, aboctok said:

Some people say it goes away with the heat.

Heat definitely has an impact.  Just like the flu season back home.  Occurs during the winter, not the summer.  For a variety of reasons.

[joecoolfrog]

On 4/12/2021 at 12:05 AM, chasboyuk said:

Is the correct answer! Probably had been festering for months, in the refugee camps in Calais and Dunkirk.

But don't that get in the way of our former European masters!

Nobody knows where this particular strain first mutated , what does it matter.

The virus doesn't waste time and energy on petty politics , nor should we.

[joecoolfrog]

On 4/12/2021 at 6:56 AM, rioD said:

If they closed the borders, only allowed in Medically cleared and quarantined people, how did they get the UK strain of the virus ?  Defies logic in my opinion.

Well Covid was already at home in Thailand so it well have mutated in a similar fashion to strains identified in the UK , South Africa , Cambodia etc.

[joecoolfrog]

22 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Heat definitely has an impact.  Just like the flu season back home.  Occurs during the winter, not the summer.  For a variety of reasons.

I doubt it is that simple , the strain sweeping Brazil started in the Amazon , hardly chilly there.

As an aside a virus ( summer flu ? ) nearly killed me in the UK 20 years ago , warm that year.

Edited April 13, 2021 by joecoolfrog

[timkeen08]

On 4/12/2021 at 12:38 PM, canthai55 said:

Seems to be quite a few Racist remarks in the posts above, blaming migrants for all the ills known to man.

Richard Leakey found the cradle of civilization in East Africa, so I guess unless you are from there we are all migrants.

 

I tell it as I see it about my America which so far is my right.  If TVF thinks I am saying something wrong they can do whatever they need to.  But you, I could really care less about your opinion of me.  I'm actually anti-reverse discrimination about America.  And you paint with such a broad strock my man.  I could care less about where anyone comes from, just do it legally like we have to do in Thailand.  And yes, I went through USCIS for my wife's green card so everyone else should do the same.

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, joecoolfrog said:

I doubt it is that simple , the strain sweeping Brazil started in the Amazon , hardly chilly there.

As an aside a virus ( summer flu ? ) nearly killed me in the UK 20 years ago , warm that year.

Well put.  It is complex.  From what I've read, the winter months force people indoors where the virus can spread easier.  Brazil has that nasty variant that's easier to spread.  And has a leader who is a covid denier.  Few rules or regulations are being put in place to stop the spread.  Let's hope that variant doesn't make it here!!!

[realfunster]

On 4/12/2021 at 7:07 AM, Jeffr2 said:

Bad translation.  He actually said it was the UK variant virus from Cambodia.  Translations here are always a problem.

 

As for scare mongering, it spreads easier and is more deadly.  That's reality, not scare mongering.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2021/03/15/uk-coronavirus-variant-significantly-more-deadly-says-new-study/?sh=7336c9af6a1e

 

U.K. Coronavirus Variant Is Significantly More Deadly, Says New Study

 

Two newer studies published this week in the Lancet appear to suggest it’s more transmissible but not more deadly.

 

https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/13/kent-covid-19-variant-more-infectious-but-not-more-severe-two-studies-find

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[faraday]

A blatant, racist, comment.

 

Stir up some bad feelings to 'those farang'.

 

 

[starky]

On 4/12/2021 at 7:27 AM, RichardColeman said:

 

Just a bizarre co-incidence I guess.

2020. September is record month for migrant Channel crossings

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-54188041

Why are you so vehemently against it being called the UK variant then trying directly blame it on another country. 

  Surely you realise that UK variant means only where it was first discovered . Yet you in the old colonial speak want to blame filthy foreigners for bringing it in. It could have originated anywhere including the UK mate so get over it. 

[hioctane]

On 4/12/2021 at 2:32 AM, Anant72 said:

Knowing that the Sinovac vaccine is, by the Chinese health authorities' own admission,  50-54% effective only, why is Thailand planning to use it anyway? Because it is cheaper? Because it wants to please its overlord? If the level of effectiveness is so low, how can people expect to eradicate the virus? 
when are we going to be able to choose a vaccine we can trust like Pfizer or J &J?

FYI, J&J just got halted by the US. They use the same technology as AZ and experienced the same issue with blood clotting. The commonality appears to be young and middle aged women.  

[forrwhat]

On 4/12/2021 at 3:05 PM, placnx said:

There is a problem getting much vaccine from anywhere because global production capacity is insufficient. This article predicts that it will take 4.6 years to vaccinate the world at the present rate:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2103614

Not to mention that CP has a financial stake in the Sino-vaccine production. The only reason it's approved.

[placnx]

3 minutes ago, forrwhat said:

Not to mention that CP has a financial stake in the Sino-vaccine production. The only reason it's approved.

With the recent comments by the head of Chinese CDC, where he admitted the inadequacy of current Chinese vaccines, it would seem prudent for any Thai production be based on updated versions or completely new Chinese vaccines using mRNA technology.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-vaccine-efficacy-not-high-gao/2021/04/11/dafe3ab6-9a8f-11eb-8f0a-3384cf4fb399_story.html