Thailand reports first local cases of virus variant first found in India

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

No problem.

 

WHO just said that all vaccines are efficient against all variants... !

 

"All COVID-19 virus variants that have emerged so far do respond to the available, approved vaccines," Kluge said Hans Kluge (WHO Europe chief)

 

Source : https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/covid-19-vaccine-effective-variants-overseas-travel-not-safe-who-14849520

 

So we are saved !

 

Ah wait... we do not have vaccine yet....

Yet the Sinovac vaccine is not one of those authorized as of yet and not approved by the WHO, only China has approved its use, and the WHO has only approved the Sinopharm vaccine not CoronaVac as of now.

 

"the World Health Organization's Europe director warned on Thursday (May 20), but stressed that authorised vaccines do work against variants of concern."

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8 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Yet the Sinovac vaccine is not one of those authorized as of yet and not approved by the WHO, only China has approved its use, a

Actually not

The map below shows countries for which it's been approved.

 

Covid World Vaccination Tracker - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

[ThailandRyan]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually not

The map below shows countries for which it's been approved.

 

Covid World Vaccination Tracker - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Show me where in the post it shows that the vaccine was approved and not just used please.  Your link is behind a paywall or an account is needed to access more data.  As of May 7th of this year the latest reports showed that China was the only one that had approved Sinovac (CoronaVac) while the who was still reviewing it and the case studies which were not complete.

 

WHO approves Sinopharm vaccine for emergency use - Nikkei Asia

 

Sinovac Biotech's CoronaVac, another Chinese-made coronavirus vaccine up for evaluation by the WHO, was not granted emergency use approval Friday.

More than 270 million doses of CoronaVac have been administered as of April 22, with 60% of them used by 37 countries and institutions, Sinovac data posted on the WHO website shows. The vaccine has an efficacy rate ranging from 50.65% to 83.5% based on Phase 3 clinical trials in Brazil, Turkey and Indonesia.

 

[Thujone]

2 hours ago, madmen said:

Phuket expat population about to swell.

Swelling expats in bhaji-smugglers.

Not a pleasant thought.

[vivananahuahin]

i am not surprised, it is very difficult to explain in simple words, a mutation of this virus is normal, it try to escape for vaccines ,i am not an antivaxxer, if you have time read The Lancet, it is now a problem for virologists and immunologists, look in the Seychelles, Bahrein etc.... they have between 47 and 69 % vaccinated and now they are again in mini lockdown, again infections, 

Covid Surges In 4 Of 5 Most Vaccinated Countries—Here’s Why The U.S. Should Worry (forbes.com)

This link is from 11 may 2021

[zzaa09]

2 hours ago, poskat said:

the likely government response will be to put more roadblocks in the way of importing and providing any vaccines other than the beloved sinovac and the regal vaccine

 

the profits and brown envelopes must flow....

It's quite unfortunate that the vaccine programs and new current surges, of the last couple of months, have been handled in the usual Thai political/profit deriving clusterphuck manner instead of an overall medical-based public health approach. Remember, that Thailand was among the top on the list [lowest cases/deaths] for a year as to how the society handled this mess. All of a sudden it's become an issue - the ever rising infection rates. Which should lead one to believe that practiced protocol became quite laxed and lazily approached........complicating the situation even more was/is the complete boondoggle patterns regarding the domestic vaccine roll-out, which could have easily been instigated a couple of months ago. 

[vivananahuahin]

Just now, Peter Denis said:

To understand immune escape, i.e. more contagious virus variants emerging as a result of mass-vaccination, visit the website of dr Geert vanden Bossche...

i know  i have good listen to the video conference ,they are also from France Prof Montagnier very interesting interview if you understand french i give you the link (351) Pr Montagnier : "C'est très simple Les variants viennent des vaccinations " - YouTube

[tgw]

16 minutes ago, vivananahuahin said:

i know  i have good listen to the video conference ,they are also from France Prof Montagnier very interesting interview if you understand french i give you the link (351) Pr Montagnier : "C'est très simple Les variants viennent des vaccinations " - YouTube

 

I now watch in expectation of how the people who don't understand that same phenomenon which also happens for antibiotics will start to say nonsense about this... despite the professor saying that "it's very simple" lol

Edited May 21, 2021 by tgw

[Sheryl]

1 hour ago, Cake Monster said:

The Construction Worker Camps certainly seem to be the center of the new outbreaks, which is certainly bad news for all.

I wonder how long all these clusters have been kept quiet from the Media.

With the numbers of people involved in these Builders Camps ( approx 450,000 in Bangkok alone ), this could get as bad, if not worse than the Prisons.

However, this also raises the question " what about all the overcrowded Factories, and other sweat shops ".

Are there cover ups happening here also ?

Are the high Infection rates of all these places only being slowly drip fed out into the Public domain to ease panic and the pressure on the Hospitals.

We  can only guess, and try to protect our Families as best we are able.

 

There is no reason at all to imagine these sorts of conspiracies and cover ups.

 

These clusters are being announced when and as found.

 

One could certainly criticize  the government for  not being more proactive in screening these places/populations.  But they aren't concealing known cases. They wouldn't be able to if they tried, and they aren't trying.

 

For months back when there were no reported cases the conspiracy minded insisted there were cases but the government would never acknowledge it. Then when they started reporting dozens of cases the same people claimed there was a "cap" and the government would never report more than 100 cases, no matter how many there really were. Then same claim about 1,000, then about 2,000. It is all nonsense.

 

 

 

 

[BKKBike09]

2 hours ago, Surelynot said:

You are going to get banned.....

Shouldn't that be tur-banned? Or is that a sikh joke?

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

There is a National holiday next week.  And another the following week.  The big 3 day holiday comes in July.

People are free to move as they please no restrictions, so will have to wait and see.

 

Well you know what our dear leader said last time, what happens - happens, nothing to do with me and my incompetent muppets - they're too busy covering their collective a r - es  to be too concerned. 

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Actually not

The map below shows countries for which it's been approved.

 

Covid World Vaccination Tracker - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Looks like all these countries rate  as having world class research facilities ????

[holy cow cm]

Good luck now. Corona Virus 19, the friendly world free gift from above that keeps on mutating and giving.

[Puwa]

48 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

Shouldn't that be tur-banned? Or is that a sikh joke?

No, but it was Uttarly Pradeshable

[vivananahuahin]

Lineage B.1.617, also known as G/452R.V3, is one of the known variants of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, the country has no responsibility.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, vivananahuahin said:

Lineage B.1.617, also known as G/452R.V3, is one of the known variants of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, the country has no responsibility.

No need to worry. Nobody is blaming India for it. The virus can mutate in any country such as they UK variant and many others.

[Artisi]

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No need to worry. Nobody is blaming India for it. The virus can mutate in any country such as they UK variant and many others.

It's ok, the only thing that will mutate in Thailand is the political ineptitude..... the Hub of.... 

[holy cow cm]

1 hour ago, zzaa09 said:

It's quite unfortunate that the vaccine programs and new current surges, of the last couple of months, have been handled in the usual Thai political/profit deriving clusterphuck manner instead of an overall medical-based public health approach. Remember, that Thailand was among the top on the list [lowest cases/deaths] for a year as to how the society handled this mess. All of a sudden it's become an issue - the ever rising infection rates. Which should lead one to believe that practiced protocol became quite laxed and lazily approached........complicating the situation even more was/is the complete boondoggle patterns regarding the domestic vaccine roll-out, which could have easily been instigated a couple of months ago. 

All according to the golden plan.

[Fex Bluse]

4 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Wow. It has arrived.  Let's be safe and ensure we isolate those locations where it was found.  Take care folks and be safe.  Looks like the ride has hit turbulence 

 

Now the country's "world class" covid response will be tested. 

 

I won't make light of this because it's actually ominous. 

 

The cheerleaders will be falling quiet soon. 

[Petey11]

4 hours ago, Sheryl said:

One should not make the mistake of assuming presence of the Indian variant means the COVID outbreak in the country will resemble that of India.

 

There are some country-specific factors at play in India: extreme crowding, and a public health system that is dysfunctional at the best of times.

 

Neither is true of Thailand in general, though there are some vulnerable sub-population to whom it applies (prisoners, migrants etc). 

 

The Indian variant is already in 44 countries and not wrecking the same degree of havoc in most of them that it is in India.

 

While it is true that the "Indian variant" is more infectious than the original viral strain it is not clear how much more infectious it is (if at all) than the so-called "UK strain" already prevalent here. Also not yet  clear if it is any more lethal.

Cases of the 'Indian variant' in the UK seem to doubling every 4-5 days. Surge testing and enhanced vaccination been done, good news is it seems to be held back by the vaccines as a lot of cases are in the 18-35 year old cohort, the unvaccinated ones. Still a variant if concern though and seems to be out competing the UK variant. Hopefully the Thai authorities will bear down on it quickly.

[Sheryl]

19 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

 

There's also some speculation by authorities that China may be planting already mutated/engineered viruses in key countries they consider enemies. 

 

If a person believes it is possible they deliberately released this, then it's easy to follow that this might be a sustained attack. 

 

No responsible "authority" is speculating this.

 

The mutations being observed are absolutely normal behavior for a respiratory virus.

 

 

[dukeandduke]

4 hours ago, madmen said:

Yes and no plus 14 day quarantine 

I'm in Thailand, so I assume that I wouldn't need to "q" anyway, but interesting. 

[dukeandduke]

21 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

 

There's also some speculation by authorities that China may be planting already mutated/engineered viruses in key countries they consider enemies. 

 

 

The same people said that young hot women want me for my heart and not my money. Fool me once....

[dinsdale]

Thong Lor outbreak spreads B.1.1.7. Lockdown? No. B.1.1.7 spreading around Thailand. Allow Songkran travel. Yes. Whatever will be will be. Now Indian variant. So Thailand has two of the most infectious strains of this virus. These fools running the show are completely out of their depth. Call me a 'doomsday sayer' you deniers if you will but I feel this is the beginning, neigh tis begun, of something very bad. The whole country needs to be locked down. I hate to say this because in their 'wisdom' they will ban booze but it's not in control now add the highly infectious Indian B.1.617 strain and things can rapidly get completely out of control. More than what it already is.

[brewsterbudgen]

8 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Thong Lor outbreak spreads B.1.1.7. Lockdown? No. B.1.1.7 spreading around Thailand. Allow Songkran travel. Yes. Whatever will be will be. Now Indian variant. So Thailand has two of the most infectious strains of this virus. These fools running the show are completely out of their depth. Call me a 'doomsday sayer' you deniers if you will but I feel this is the beginning, neigh tis begun, of something very bad. The whole country needs to be locked down. I hate to say this because in their 'wisdom' they will ban booze but it's not in control now add the highly infectious Indian B.1.617 strain and things can rapidly get completely out of control. More than what it already is.

Sorry, but I call you a "doomsday sayer".  I'm not a Covid-denier, but vaccinations are the solution not locking-down which causes more long-term damage.

Edited May 21, 2021 by brewsterbudgen

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3 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Show me where in the post it shows that the vaccine was approved and not just used please.  Your link is behind a paywall or an account is needed to access more data.  As of May 7th of this year the latest reports showed that China was the only one that had approved Sinovac (CoronaVac) while the who was still reviewing it and the case studies which were not complete.

 

WHO approves Sinopharm vaccine for emergency use - Nikkei Asia

 

Sinovac Biotech's CoronaVac, another Chinese-made coronavirus vaccine up for evaluation by the WHO, was not granted emergency use approval Friday.

More than 270 million doses of CoronaVac have been administered as of April 22, with 60% of them used by 37 countries and institutions, Sinovac data posted on the WHO website shows. The vaccine has an efficacy rate ranging from 50.65% to 83.5% based on Phase 3 clinical trials in Brazil, Turkey and Indonesia.

 

Do you really believe a country is going to allow a vaccine to be used in a pandemic without its approval? Just let a free-for-all take place?  At any rate

Vaccines – COVID19 Vaccine Tracker (trackvaccines.org)

[Caldera]

That's obviously very bad news, especially when considering the sad state of affairs with regards to the vaccination campaign and with hospitals that are already strained.

[Caldera]

4 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Sorry, but I call you a "doomsday sayer".  I'm not a Covid-denier, but vaccinations are the solution not locking-down which cause more long-term damage.

 

Just where will the vaccine come from in a hurry, pray tell? Short of having enough vaccine, a lockdown will be inevitable. And very damaging, yes.

 

[KhaoYai]

5 hours ago, Kasset Tak said:

Construction workers... read Burmese and Cambodian workers! I mean, the new variant didn't get to Thailand on 2 legs and these workers are most likely not subjected to 14 days quarantine when they cross the border... In the end it all comes down to the greed of the construction companies!

Precisely, with closed borders/14 day quarantine in place, how did this variant get in? Must have been lunchtime or raining at the checkpoints.

[grain]

1 minute ago, KhaoYai said:

Precisely, with closed borders/14 day quarantine in place, how did this variant get in? Must have been lunchtime or raining at the checkpoints.

It came in a Bombay Oyster.