Canceling rental contract

[Foghorn]

My friend just rented a house and spent nearly 50,000 making it homely,now landlord wants to cancel contract and not reimburse him , contract was for 3 years , is this possible for no reason ?

[Ralf001]

Why would the Landlord reimburse monies spent by the tenant to make the place more "homely", did the landlord ask the tenant to do this ?

 

The Landlord canceling the rental agreement should be returning the security deposit though.

[jackdd]

8 minutes ago, Foghorn said:

is this possible for no reason ?

No

[dcsw53]

Legally no, but good luck in trying to make it happen. As you will find out getting legl assistance here will cost you that and more. In the unlikely event of you winning your friend will get the first of the THB 500 / month settlement, then the payments stop. You want them to start again, more fees.
I watched a friend of mine digging a money pit.

[Foghorn]

15 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Why would the Landlord reimburse monies spent by the tenant to make the place more "homely", did the landlord ask the tenant to do this ?

 

The Landlord canceling the rental agreement should be returning the security deposit though.

Because he in on his 2nd month of a 3 year contract and the work was approved in writing for the upgrades plus a year in advance in rent was paid 

[bwpage3]

Some people don't get the idea sometimes Thailand does not work the way the rest of the world does.

 

50,000 baht is nothing, unless your broke.

 

Pretty sure no one on TV here is going to solve your friends issues with the landlord.

 

Sometimes in life people pay for experience by learning the hard way.

 

Sounds like one of those times.

[Foghorn]

59 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

Some people don't get the idea sometimes Thailand does not work the way the rest of the world does.

 

50,000 baht is nothing, unless your broke.

 

Pretty sure no one on TV here is going to solve your friends issues with the landlord.

 

Sometimes in life people pay for experience by learning the hard way.

 

Sounds like one of those times.

My advice was to stay put , let the landlord try and evict him . Thailand doesn’t work the way of the world as you put it because too many people don’t stand their ground .  I didn’t put this on here for someone to solve his problem, just for a bit of free advice from people who may of had the same thing happen to them .  I am trying to help him , it’s not me I brought my ground  here
 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, Foghorn said:

My advice was to stay put , let the landlord try and evict him . Thailand doesn’t work the way of the world as you put it because too many people don’t stand their ground .  I didn’t put this on here for someone to solve his problem, just for a bit of free advice from people who may of had the same thing happen to them .  I am trying to help him , it’s not me I brought my ground  here.

My wife rents apartments and she cannot do what is happening to your friend, must be some nasty landlord trying it on to get your friend out and raise the rent.

I would say read the type of contract agreement that was signed by both parties.

If it has a clause in which the landlord can give notice within the 3 years there is something not right, it's up to the landlord to agree on length of stay and once length of time is agreed then your friend can stay.

 

Your friend should go to his local area Govt office and find out where he stands, and make sure he cannot not be harassed by the landlord.

If all fails return the place back as best he can to what it was as long as he doesn't do criminal damage. 

 

[Ralf001]

4 hours ago, Foghorn said:

Because he in on his 2nd month of a 3 year contract and the work was approved in writing for the upgrades plus a year in advance in rent was paid 

 

Yeah any changes I make to my house has to be approved by the owner... does not mean Iam to reimbursed for them.

 

Lol @ paying a years rent in advance, Ya friend aint gunna be getting that back either !!

 

[AgMech Cowboy]

6 hours ago, Foghorn said:

plus a year in advance in rent was paid 

Wow!! That's rich... good luck to your friend. He will be harassed if the landlord wants him out. One year in advance... I hope he didn't pay the landlord in cash and/or has some sort of proof. 

[Foghorn]

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Yeah any changes I make to my house has to be approved by the owner... does not mean Iam to reimbursed for them.

 

Lol @ paying a years rent in advance, Ya friend aint gunna be getting that back either !!

 

Yes ,but after spending the money surely the contract should be honored and if not reimburse him  . The landlord knew why the money was being spent and the rent given. Would you walk away with the loss?

[Foghorn]

3 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

My wife rents apartments and she cannot do what is happening to your friend, must be some nasty landlord trying it on to get your friend out and raise the rent.

I would say read the type of contract agreement that was signed by both parties.

If it has a clause in which the landlord can give notice within the 3 years there is something not right, it's up to the landlord to agree on length of stay and once length of time is agreed then your friend can stay.

 

Your friend should go to his local area Govt office and find out where he stands, and make sure he cannot not be harassed by the landlord.

If all fails return the place back as best he can to what it was as long as he doesn't do criminal damage. 

 

Thankyou , I will take him go speak at the government offices tomorrow 

[BusyB]

7 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

Some people don't get the idea sometimes Thailand does not work the way the rest of the world does.

 

50,000 baht is nothing, unless your broke.

 

Pretty sure no one on TV here is going to solve your friends issues with the landlord.

 

Sometimes in life people pay for experience by learning the hard way.

 

Sounds like one of those times.

 

Where I come from we call things like that 'tuition fees'.

[BusyB]

1 hour ago, Foghorn said:

Yes ,but after spending the money surely the contract should be honored and if not reimburse him  . The landlord knew why the money was being spent and the rent given. Would you walk away with the loss?

 

I'm quite sure your friend is an honorable and at least smartish person - after all s/he can negotiate rental contracts and carry out home repairs etc.

Maybe stand your ground is the answer, but that is gonna take some resilience to put it mildly if they decide to get r e a l difficult.

My answer to your question is that I would never put myself in that position in Thailand no matter who I was dealing with.

 

[Ireland32]

That’s why I do air b &b monthly’s and stay 6 months at a time no deposits or minimal 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, Ireland32 said:

That’s why I do air b &b monthly’s and stay 6 months at a time no deposits or minimal 

 

But you just pay more for a monthly (6 months) Air BnB than someone who’s made a 3 year rental agreement. 

 

 

 

I used to agree to a 2 year or 3 year rental term with sufficient discount so that if I reneged on the contract at the end of the year even without the deposit returned it would still work out cheaper. 

 

In this case, the Op’s friend has paid 50,000 baht to upgrade the property and paid 12 months rent up front. 

 

What were the upgrades: Some upgrades may need to be ‘returned to their original condition’.

Is the landlord offering the return of the deposit and the rent paid upfront ???

 

 

 

[Ralf001]

2 hours ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

Wow!! That's rich... good luck to your friend. He will be harassed if the landlord wants him out. One year in advance... I hope he didn't pay the landlord in cash and/or has some sort of proof. 

 

Landlord hit pay dirt.

 

Rental deposit.

Upgrades to house.

1 year rent.

 

Cha Ching !!

[khunPer]

10 hours ago, Foghorn said:

...now landlord wants to cancel contract and not reimburse him , contract was for 3 years , is this possible for no reason ?

If it can help your friend, the law says...

Quote

Duties and liabilities of the letter

...Section 547. The letter is bound to reimburse to the hirer any necessary and reasonable expenses incurred by him for the preservation of the property hired, except expenses for ordinary maintenance and petty repairs

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Extinction of Contract of Hire

Section 564. A contract of hire is extinguished at the end of the agreed period without notice.

You can find the law text in English HERE.

[snowgard]

Consumer Protection Board Office is the right place to go!!!

[Foghorn]

2 hours ago, khunPer said:

If it can help your friend, the law says...

You can find the law text in English HERE.

Thank you so much , I will pass this on 

[scubascuba3]

Expect those 50k of homely adjustments to come out of the deposit, maybe the landlord didn't approve them and doesn't like them

[BusyB]

22 hours ago, BusyB said:

 

I'm quite sure your friend is an honorable and at least smartish person - after all s/he can negotiate rental contracts and carry out home repairs etc.

Maybe stand your ground is the answer, but that is gonna take some resilience to put it mildly if they decide to get r e a l difficult.

My answer to your question is that I would never put myself in that position in Thailand no matter who I was dealing with.

 

 

It occurred to me that this post looks a bit holier than thou. I wanted to make plain that I have also paid tuition fees in my life. 

 

 

 

[Foghorn]

14 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Expect those 50k of homely adjustments to come out of the deposit, maybe the landlord didn't approve them and doesn't like them

The money is not the problem if my friend can stay there as per contract ,it’s only a problem if he’s illegally evicted 

[Pilotman]

On 5/31/2021 at 7:47 AM, Foghorn said:

plus a year in advance in rent was paid 

How dumb was that.  I have never heard of anyone agreeing to such a odd arrangement. The phrase more money than sense comes to mind. 

[ericthai]

On 5/30/2021 at 10:28 PM, Foghorn said:

My advice was to stay put , let the landlord try and evict him . Thailand doesn’t work the way of the world as you put it because too many people don’t stand their ground .  I didn’t put this on here for someone to solve his problem, just for a bit of free advice from people who may of had the same thing happen to them .  I am trying to help him , it’s not me I brought my ground  here
 

Sorry, but the reason Thailand doesn't work like in the west has nothing to do with people standing up for themselves.

It's due to the level of corruption in Thailand! 

[Stripespants]

7 hours ago, ericthai said:

Sorry, but the reason Thailand doesn't work like in the west has nothing to do with people standing up for themselves.

It's due to the level of corruption in Thailand! 

 corruption can work in both way

[cyril sneer]

is there anyway he can undo the work done to home? this would be my first option

 

rip out the aircon units for a start

[chrisandsu]

On 6/1/2021 at 12:26 AM, BusyB said:

 

It occurred to me that this post looks a bit holier than thou. I wanted to make plain that I have also paid tuition fees in my life. 

 

 

 

We all have ! The once stupid become wise old men . 

[kynikoi]

On 5/31/2021 at 8:24 AM, bwpage3 said:

50,000 baht is nothing, unless your broke.

 

No one likes to have money wasted.

 

As a very wealthy family member told me once... Rich people don't get that way by spending it.

[Foghorn]

My friend went to the consumer protection office and the kind lady there called the landlord and he as agreed to let my friend finish the year he has paid for , the lady said to come when that year is nearly finished because if my friend hasn’t broken the contract then the landlord can’t cancel it  

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