I want to whine about the West and "woke" generation

[The Hammer2021]

On 6/26/2021 at 12:59 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Wasn't the USA always a country of immigrants? 

It seems many older immigrants don't like the newer immigrants - at least if they have the wrong skin color.

Nativisim  predates colour issues and was first directed at Irish immigrants  then other European  groups. But 'woke' is not about  immigrants really. It's about establishing a form of soft  Stalinism based on the  methods and ideology  of the 'Franfurt'  school of Marxism which about 50 years ago planned to change society not by empowering the working classes but by infiltrating all the institutions  of democracy  primarily education.

[digibum]

5 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

I applaud the thoughtfulness of your post, but I don't agree with the argument that present day generations who continue to benefit from historical injustices committed by past generations bear no responsibility for these past injustices.

I don’t think that’s the position he was taking.  
 

In order to be truly objective in looking at history, often we would need to cite the atrocities of those that want to be seen as victims.   
 

I’m not trying to minimize what Europeans settlers did in the Americas.  I’m simply saying that humans have generally been nasty and brutish people that have enslaved and murdered each other since the beginning of their existence.  
 

Archeological evidence exists of Native American tribes killing each other and capturing lands from each other long before any white people showed up.  
 

So if we want to be truly objective, what we did was wrong, but common in the historical context.  If the situation had been reversed, based on historical evidence, it’s highly likely they would have acted in a similar manner.   
 

Many of the tribes that were wiped out by the Europeans, had themselves wiped out other Native American tribes many years prior.  
 

Just as much as I hate the white washed version of American history taught in American schools today, I don’t want to see a version where everything that has ever happened only focuses on the transgressions of one side while ignoring historical context of the situation.   
 

Sadly, a lot of this woke culture relies on people embracing victimhood.   

It’s sort of like, if your group was ever wronged or discriminated against, you get a pass on having a light shined too brightly on your own transgressions because being truthful about your actions is further proof of your oppression.  
 

I say we should shine a light everywhere.  If someone wants to count the skeletons in my closet, then I want to count the skeletons in their closet.   
 

What I think you end up with is that once everyone’s skeletons are counted, people will be a lot more willing to accept that we’ve all done some horrible things and we should learn from that, strive to be better, and move on.    

[Thomas J]

49 minutes ago, digibum said:

Like, hundreds or thousands of people will flee Guatemala or some other country, March through 3 or 4 other countries, and the people will be <deleted> that they weren’t allowed to enter the US.  

You are correct.  If you recall Trump wanted it that those who were seeking refugee status to be required to take refuge in the closest country to where they were fleeing.  It should not be shopping for which country provides the best standard of living or provides the greatest welfare benefits. That is if they were truly refugees. 

The truth is that the majority of people crossing the southern border were once predominately young males seeking work.  They found that if they came as families their chances of being admitted were increased so guess what, now families showed up.  They found that if they brought with them young children that their chances were increased and guess what, the number of families with small children suddenly increased.  There was even a market created to "rent" children.  They would sell their services to go to the border with people not their family then return again back to Mexico to sell their services again.  Border patrol found the percentage of families with small children decreased during the time frame they DNA tested because a significant percentage were not family. 

The magic word now is refugee.  They have been coached that this word will guarantee them a hearing in the USA.  Of course it is a farce since they have no intention of showing up at the hearing but rather just continue to live under the radar in the USA knowing that sanctuary cities and states won't deport them. 

The reality is the USA as well as other countries should agree on how many refugees they are willing to take annually.  Also fleeing poverty does not qualify one to be a refugee.  The concept of taking in millions of people to a country they don't speak the language and with limited to non-existent skill to support themselves solves nothing.  It merely transfers the problem to the USA and next year, next decade, next century there will still be millions from those same countries wanting to also leave.  That merely redistributes poverty.  If the West really wants to help, it should have expend the billions it now does to support those invading their country into assistance to build the economies in those impoverished regions.  It is the old adage of giving a man a fish or teaching him to fish.  A region that has been  given a rebirth with a local economy provides sustained improvement for everyone in that region not just the few who trek hundreds of miles to other countries.  

Does the USA need immigrants - yes.  However true "immigrants" make an application and are selected based on merit.  A person who crosses the border illegally or falsely claims to be a refugee is not an immigrant they are an illegal alien.  You certainly don't use the term an "undocumented guest" to describe someone who breaks into your home.  These people are breaking in and that is not an immigrant. 

[owl sees all]

It may seem trivial; unless you are a football fan.

 

In a game if you shout 'man-on' to a colleague when a pkayer on the other team is coming close; it's a booking. Do it again and you are off. Yes; red-carded. Being trialled in the lower leagues this coming season. EPL next.

 

If you must warn your team-mate then 'person-on' or 'opponent-on' is OK.

Edited June 27, 2021 by owl sees all

[canthai55]

55 minutes ago, digibum said:

What I think you end up with is that once everyone’s skeletons are counted, people will be a lot more willing to accept that we’ve all done some horrible things and we should learn from that, strive to be better, and move on.    

Good point.

But, speaking as a Canadian by birth, the First Nations people have been given Everything for the last 50 years.

More More More has become their mantra.

People got to move on, not carry around all the BS from generation to generation, singing the old "Oh Woe is Me" song for something that happened 50 - 75 - 100 plus years ago.

The goes for people around the world, every color, every religion, everywhere.

[TooBigToFit]

One thing I find ridiculous is any woke or indigenous person believing in Christianity while complaining about the past and western colonization.

[mikebike]

41 minutes ago, TooBigToFit said:

One thing I find ridiculous is any woke or indigenous person believing in Christianity while complaining about the past and western colonization.

Why r u limiting it to those 2 groups?

[rumak]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

It may seem trivial; unless you are a football fan.

 

In a game if you shout 'man-on' to a colleague when a pkayer on the other team is coming close; it's a booking. Do it again and you are off. Yes; red-carded. Being trialled in the lower leagues this coming season. EPL next.

 

If you must warn your team-mate then 'person-on' or 'opponent-on' is OK.

 

How about hard on ?    can you be sent off for that ?  

[owl sees all]

4 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

How about hard on ?    can you be sent off for that ?  

Don't think that's a football term Rumak. I've never heard that shouted out at Old Trafford or Highbury.

 

Herd w----r, a few times though.

[digibum]

2 hours ago, canthai55 said:

People got to move on, not carry around all the BS from generation to generation, singing the old "Oh Woe is Me" song for something that happened 50 - 75 - 100 plus years ago.

I know this sounds insensitive, but I think all you can do is say, “Hey, sorry about that.  We did some horrible things and we won’t do that anymore.   But ultimately, you lost.  We don’t owe you anything.”
 

Nothing else works works this way.  You don’t lose the championship and get to demand that the winner compensate you for lost merchandise sales and TV rights.  
 

You don’t lose a court case and the winner has to pay your legal fees.  
 

On one hand, I hope that the longer the human race survives the more we will move towards a world where there are no more wars or people oppressing each other.  
 

But on the other hand, what has happened has happened and people need to accept it and move on.  

[rumak]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

Don't think that's a football term Rumak. I've never heard that shouted out at Old Trafford or Highbury.

 

Herd w----r, a few times though.

 

oh,  i must be thinking of rugby.    notice the man peering in ?  I think he is supposed to

yell hard on !! if he sees something suspicious happening under there

 

Edited June 27, 2021 by rumak

[The Hammer2021]

1 hour ago, digibum said:

I know this sounds insensitive, but I think all you can do is say, “Hey, sorry about that.  We did some horrible things and we won’t do that anymore.   But ultimately, you lost.  We don’t owe you anything.”
 

Nothing else works works this way.  You don’t lose the championship and get to demand that the winner compensate you for lost merchandise sales and TV rights.  
 

You don’t lose a court case and the winner has to pay your legal fees.  
 

On one hand, I hope that the longer the human race survives the more we will move towards a world where there are no more wars or people oppressing each other.  
 

But on the other hand, what has happened has happened and people need to accept it and move on.  

What we did  would have been done  to us. Why should I feel better because we had better boats, better  longbows, better abities  to cooperate, work and fight together?  I never  hear any guilt  or breast beating about the Islamic  empire or the Roman Genocide of the Celts etc. The foundation  of 'woke' just seems a watered-down  version of Marxist Leninism. So it's very selective in its targets but ludicrously  middle class.

Edited June 27, 2021 by The Hammer2021

[NorthernRyland]

11 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

These same people who pooh-pooh calls for reparations for slavery and WWII Japanese internment camps,

 

More unpopular opinions:

 

Reparations have been paid by way of: 1) citizenship, 2) full voting rights, 3) welfare/social services payments (African Americans are net tax negative). Again, there is NO redemption for this original sin of racism has no amount of payment will ever suffice for them.

 

Japanese internment camps were an unfortunate necessity of the war. We've already seen what happens when the West invites in large numbers of Muslims at a time when the West is at active war with Muslim countries, i.e. terrorist acts on civilians. In fact the King Soopers shooting in my home town of Boulder Colorado was committed by a Syrian (came as a baby in 2000) less than 30 days after the Biden admin bombed his home country.

[NorthernRyland]

7 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

And it's a self-perpetuating cycle.  Less male influence leads to female dominated professions, which leads to a culture of sexist double standards and hating men, which leads to even fewer male teachers.

 

 

A bitter pill to swallow for egalitarians is that in general men don't really understand or like working with women anyways so the more female a work place becomes the less male it will become.  This is already happening with universities and may have broken them for generations to comes.

 

The few jobs I had with women (especially managers) were terrible and made me want to quit the job. Who wants to work with nagging gossiping women anyways??? 

[The Hammer2021]

On 6/26/2021 at 1:35 PM, Kinok Powell said:

Unfortunately we can not change history.Every country on earth has done terrible things in the past.The thing is to learn from those mistakes but not beat ourselves up about it.To be as nice as you possibility can to your fellow humans is all you can do.

i have a theory about the Woke Brigade.To start with,none of them know how to laugh and have fun.Most of them have gone through life being <deleted> at sports,dating,and generally having fun with all their mates.That is the reason they have crazy piercings and green hair,are fat and spotty.Just trying to stand out.They have never had a voice up to now but since Social Media they can be heard from their mums attic,where they spend all day on twitter trying to convince the real world that George Floyd was an innocent victim.

In Canada it all starts with that bell-end at the helm,Trudeau..

Twitter is the toilet wall of the  world filled with vacuous rambling and senseless comments. It's a glory hole into people's political perversity. It's very idea of a word  limit reflects its stupid  lack of discourse and accent on senseless, opinionated  comments and it's re tweeting function is just  gossip. Dreadful.

[NorthernRyland]

5 hours ago, digibum said:

I’m just saying that the argument is being framed as if the US won’t take them, they’ll have to go back to their country and face certain death.  

We're being browbeaten because we've taken it in the past. The USA takes in more "refugees" then any other country and is being objectively destroyed because of this.

 

You'd be safer in many Latin American cities than American cities, ironically in part because we've imported all their gang members!

[NorthernRyland]

4 hours ago, Thomas J said:

Does the USA need immigrants - yes

330 million people already. Seriously how many more Latin Americans do we need here? These are the most desperately poor people in the region, what possibly can be done with these people here? I'm seeing them fill up fast food chains and gas stations. Not a very good life for them and they're going to be resentful eventually.

[AlexRich]

16 hours ago, colinneil said:

Yes, he was 100 per cent correct, in nineteen sixty six rivers of blood speech, spot on.

He was cruxified for it, he should have been listened to.

Says an immigrant of Thailand?

[Led Lolly Yellow Lolly]

On 6/26/2021 at 9:24 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

 

If others want to worry about whatever they want to worry about it's their problem. We can ignore those problems of the woke.

 

 

The thought someone might try to make my kids apologise for leaded petrol horrifies me.

[rumak]

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[NorthernRyland]

42 minutes ago, rumak said:

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LOL. The intersection between gay sex and viral infections. Lots to be learned I'm sure.

[1FinickyOne]

On 6/26/2021 at 8:49 AM, Surelynot said:

Governments are fermenting wokeism

sure, leave it to the private sector like wine and bpla-la

[Rampant Rabbit]

10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Though I am not conservative, at all, I find the whole woke thing, and the overly PC thing, to be nauseating. Everyone seems to be able to find something to be offended about these days. 

 

Remember Don Rickles? He would likely be assassinated by a woke, today. Where has all the humor gone? Why are so many so thin skinned? Is it a societal self esteem issue? 

 

Pandering. Just pandering. Don't have time for it. 

Not  only  that but the heavy censorship which  now  dominates in many areas inc TV

[Rampant Rabbit]

4 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Says an immigrant of Thailand?

Who never took a  sinlge  dime out of the Thai economy unlike many UK  immigrants  did, and was   unlawfully  treated after his  horrific accident.

[Rampant Rabbit]

14 hours ago, 2009 said:

 

Sorry if I am at risk of sounding "woke" here (perish the thought), but those who cut female genitalia are no worse than those who cut male genitalia -- and before you point out the difference -- I don't give a damn which piece of skin it is or what the function of that piece of skin is.

 

If it ain't a medical procedure - leave it be!

 

Cosmetic and religious circumcision are all just as bad as each other.

 

 

I can go way  better than that and see  religion as one of the worst for its indoctrination of very  young children, it's  actually  nothing more than child  abuse when their religious  fantasies are forced onto children and labelled  as "culture" thus  guaranteeing the succession of their fanatasy.

[Rampant Rabbit]

10 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Told them all to Argo fokurselves

   

[Rampant Rabbit]

Taken to the extreme Im blaming  ALL  Africans  as they are the ones who left Africa  4  million years  ago and again Im blaming Lucy a  woman, without them invading  the rest of the world none of this  would have   happened, where do I ask for my compensation?

[simon43]

7 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Says an immigrant of Thailand?

I thought Colin is - like most foreigners in Thailand, on a short-term (i year), NON-immigrant visa, with no citizenship, no voting rights etc etc.  Hardly the same....

[colinneil]

7 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Says an immigrant of Thailand?

What a ridiculous/ crazy comment, immigrant? Explain please, or are you just having a go for the sake of it?

[BKKBike09]

 

14 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

if you forget the past it tends to repeat - you should know this better than most people..

I've never said the past should be forgotten. Far from it. The past should be studied closely. The debate here is about present day responsibility for historical actions.