COVID-19: Thailand reports new daily record of 53 deaths; 4,786 new cases

[Danderman123]

32 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

 

 

There is zero evidence that Covid will cause deaths as a percentage of population equivalent to Spanish Flu, let alone the Black Death. 

Covid is on track to kill more Americans than did the Spanish Flu.

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

It is widely accepted that 9 million die each year from hunger and hunger related diseases and 3.1 million of those are children so since the covid pandemic started about 18 months ago 13.5 million have died from hunger and hunger related diseases 4.5 million of which are children.So people in this world are more than 3 times as likely to die from hunger and hunger related diseases yet in the last 18 months I have not seen it mentioned once in the main stream media.It has been said that covid restrictions would likely to increase this number.These are very sobering statistics.I wonder why we don't talk about 4.5 million kids dying of hunger and hunger related diseases?Are we really more concerned about our own lives?Is it only when the lives of rich westerners are threatened that it becomes a topic of concern and little to no regard is given to the starving millions?

 

4.5 million children have died from hunger in the past 18 months.I'll just let that sink in. 

Around 60 million people die each year as of now https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-per-year?country=~OWID_WRL. Nearly 4,000,000 in the last 18 months have died from covid-19.

[Danderman123]

16 minutes ago, greenmonkey said:

The point I was making was that even with a much higher proportion of their population vaccinated, the UK still can report 20k+ infections in a day compared to Thailand's 5k in a day with much much fewer people vaccinated. This would suggest that the Thai numbers are way off.... would you disagree?

Yes, because the histories of the epidemic are different in Thailand and the UK.

 

Your logic indicates that Singapore’s claimed death count of 35 is invalid because of the UK’s 127,000 deaths.

Edited June 30, 2021 by Danderman123

[Megasin1]

I dont get this constant belief in "herd immunity". Where is there just 1 shred of evidence that herd immunity works against Covid. Western governments are aiming for 100% innoculation. The herd immunity approach seems more like a willingness to give up hope for 30% of your population.

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

44 million who have had at least one vaccination is not the same as “almost fully vaccinated “, given the UK’s 70 million inhabitants.

62% of the adult population has had 2 jabs. Not sure if herd immunity is at 70 or 80 percent for this contagious Delta. I agree that it is not 'almost fully vaccinated'. Single jab not the big factor either for this variant.

[hotchilli]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

The news comes as The Royal College of Physicians of Thailand (RCPT) is urging the government to try harder and faster to procure sufficient, quality vaccines, including alternatives, to inoculate people in Thailand, to build herd immunity as quickly as possible.

No sign of slowing down, if anything it's getting worse.

[Swimfan]

2 hours ago, Daithi85 said:

Can anyone explain to me how Singapore has had only 35 deaths since this all began??

Most likely because the majority of their cases were in young migrant workers locked up in dormitories rather than general community transmission 

[Rampant Rabbit]

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Ask someone with long covid or being intubated and I think you would get your answer.

Conversly  ask the massive majority  of  people that get neither

[dinsdale]

Just now, Rampant Rabbit said:

Conversly  ask the massive majority  of  people that get neither

Well mate you never know it might be you or someone you know that get's sick or dies. There were plenty of covid deniers that changed their tune. Maybe you'll be another.

[Bkk Brian]

Listen to the experts

Experts call for Thai government to procure mRNA vaccines instead of Sinovac

The Infectious Disease Association of Thailand (IDAT) is calling on the Thai government to procure mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, instead of China’s Sinovac, citing concerns over the Chinese vaccine’s efficacy against new variants, especially the virulent Delta strain.

The IDAT submitted a letter addressed to Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha today (Wednesday), explaining that Sinovac is a whole virus vaccine, which may not be effective against the Delta or other new variants, citing lack of formal research into this type of vaccine, and that previous assessments were made when the Alpha variant was dominant.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/experts-call-for-thai-government-to-procure-mrna-vaccines-instead-of-sinovac/

Edited June 30, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[The Cipher]

1 hour ago, Petey11 said:

Whilst your calculations may be correct for whole population, it does not factor in that the whole population of India has not had covid. Fatality rates for a disease can only be calculated against the number of people who have caught covid. It would be like calculating fatality rates from cancer to whole population even though not everyone has had cancer.

 

Population change calculations are worth showing and are probably the correct lens to use for the macro effects of Covid, but you also have a valid point in that

my calcs don't capture direct fatality rates from the disease.

 

But although diving into further calculations is possible, it isn't really worth it with this audience. I restated my math with a hypothetical 10x deaths to the stated numbers and the result was still a clip of less than 1% of pop and a net population gain.

[Bkk Brian]

Protest finally wins Bangkok Covid patient a bed in hospital

 

A 60-year-old Covid-19 patient decided to set up camp at Bangkok’s Nang Loeng Police Station in protest because no hospital beds were made available for her after she tested positive on Sunday.

Zendai, a group that transports Covid-19 patients to hospitals for free, posted the woman’s story on its Facebook page on Tuesday.

It said the woman, who works as a janitor in the capital, decided to move out of her home in Bang Phlat district because she did not want to infect her daughter.

As soon as the group heard of her case, it contacted Royal Rattanakosin Hotel, which has been adapted as a field hospital and found her a bed.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40002635

[Bkk Brian]

COVID19 update in Thailand on Wednesday:

 

Since 1 April 2021 230,438 people infected (+9 imported and +4,777 local cases)

1,929 dead +53 49,799 in care 1,911 in ICU and 556 on ventilators 2,415 discharged from care.

 

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1410109786448752640

 

[Bkk Brian]

Today there are 53 deaths in #Thailand - NEW HIGH 30 males & 23 females 1 Chinese & 1 Brit also died Median age is 71 (24-97 years)

Most deaths in Bangkok (35),

Pathum Thani (3),

Samut Prakan (3),

Nakhon Pathom (2),

Yala (2),

Songkhla (2),

plus 6 provinces with 1 each

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1410112461382971397

 

[ThailandRyan]

Today I received an SMS from BNH hospital indicating that my initial registration on the Mor Prom app back 2 months ago was being honored and tomorrow the 1st of July at 9am I could get my first AZ vaccine jab.  Funny as I registered through the intervac site and had my first jab on the 24th.  No response ever from the Mor Prom App until today. Shows the big disconnect.

[Bkk Brian]

Out of 4,650 local cases (outside of prison)

 

most in Bangkok - 1,826 <- new high

Samut Prakan - 433

Samut Sakhon - 253

Chonburi - 208

Nakhon Pathom - 191

Pathum Thani - 177

Songkhla - 157

Nonthaburi - 155

Yala - 106

Pattani - 81

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1410114378352017413

 

[Chalong circle]

7 hours ago, ICELANDMAN said:

 

Not only with Sinovac you see Israel with the new delta variant all vaccines are ineffective for 40%

 

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/40-percent-of-coronavirus-stricken-israelis-infected-with-uk-strain-nachman-ash-655957

 

Did you notice that this link is from January and talking about the alpha variant and not the delta variant ?

[dinsdale]

14 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

 

Population change calculations are worth showing and are probably the correct lens to use for the macro effects of Covid, but you also have a valid point in that

my calcs don't capture direct fatality rates from the disease.

 

But although diving into further calculations is possible, it isn't really worth it with this audience. I restated my math with a hypothetical 10x deaths to the stated numbers and the result was still a clip of less than 1% of pop and a net population gain.

Please stop. People are suffering and dying. This is the reality and it's got a lot worse. Early April a few people were dying and now a few months later it's in the 40's or 50's officially and early April low 1K infected now high 4K going into 5K and we all know these numbers are under-represented. I for one are tired of your reduction of this crisis, and that's what it is, down to some numerical nonsence. As I said to you before you may see this as a mathematical exercise I see it more humanisticly. I tell you what why don't you have a break and make a nice spreadsheet for us.

Edited June 30, 2021 by dinsdale

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Please stop. People are suffering and dying. This is the reality and it's got a lot worse. Early April a few people were dying and now a few months later it's in the 40's or 50's officially and early April low 1K infected now high 4K going into 5K and we all know these numbers are under-represented. I for one are tired of your reduction of this crisis, and that's what it is, down to some numerical nonsence. As I said to you before you may see this as a mathematical exercise I see more humanisticly. I tell you what why don't you have a break and make a nice spreadsheet for us.

He can't stop as he is a typical bean counter who sees things in a binary, numerical, statistical and actuarial way.

[Cake Monster]

Inoculation has all but stagnated again.

No Vaccines maybe.

[The Cipher]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nonsense. Justify your approach in the face of overflowing hospitals and the effects of that on covid deaths and all other seriously ill people who will also die because of a health service collapse

 

"It be like that sometimes?" Just because this is an uncomfortable outcome, does not necessarily make it the wrong outcome.

 

I'm not saying it's the right outcome either. I'm saying that we should at least genuinely explore if it might be the right outcome.

 

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Well this is just rediculous. You are comparing a 1918 pandemic to now. 122/23 years later. Well I will go with your flawed arguement but let me turn it around. What do you think the death toll would have been 122/23 years ago if it wasn't the Spanish Flu but Sars-cov-2. Stupid comparision that completely ignores technological and medical advances over more than a century. 

 

I'm comparing the two because another user, which I quoted, compared it to the Black Death which was *checks notes* approximately 675 years ago. Rediculous (sic), right?

 

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Covid is on track to kill more Americans than did the Spanish Flu.

 

Come on. I straight up said to look at percentages several times in the post that you're quoting. But bam, right back to context-less numbers. This is so disappointing ????.

 

I think you guys win. I have been bludgeoned into submission.

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, The Cipher said:

 

"It be like that sometimes?" Just because this is an uncomfortable outcome, does not necessarily make it the wrong outcome.

 

I'm not saying it's the right outcome either. I'm saying that we should at least genuinely explore if it might be the right outcome.

 

 

I'm comparing the two because another user, which I quoted, compared it to the Black Death which was *checks notes* approximately 675 years ago. Rediculous (sic), right?

 

 

Come on. I straight up said to look at percentages several times in the post that you're quoting. But bam, right back to context-less numbers. This is so disappointing ????.

 

I think you guys win. I have been bludgeoned into submission.

See here's the problem. You look at someone dying from Covid-19 as <0.0000000000000000000000000000001%. I don't. I see another person has died, people suffer and it's because of inept governance. You can have your numbers but I'll stick with conscience thank you. 'nough said.

[jacob29]

8 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Yes, Indonesia currently defines exponential.......

 

They reopened bars and clubs about a month ago, that is how it looks with minimal restrictions in place.

[Tropposurfer]

8 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Last night was reading about Indonesia.

These figures are not good.

Your right not good. Vaccinations and more vaccinations needed.

[Lemonltr]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

No, the UK is also likely under-reported as excess mortality figures show.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1137

So where do this BMJ get their figures and why are they more believable.? Every day accurate figures are produced at 4pm British summer time. Google "public health england, daily report" 

[wensiensheng]

1 hour ago, 2 is 1 said:

Its really spread now in provinces. Isaan start to look very bad!

 

Isaan in general has certainly moved up from just a nominal few cases a day. I don’t think I would call it very bad quite yet, but of course the tip of the iceberg theory is applicable and what we see now can easily roar it’s way higher. So in the sense that a rising trajectory seems to be establishing itself, it is very bad.
 

The numbers as presented are still modest, it’s next week and the week after that may look much worse.

 

I’m still a bit more focused on the south and whether the case levels in the Deep South start to work their way up and into Krabi, Phangna and sandbox island.

[Lemonltr]

Delta variant is now around 95% of uk infections, up to around 20.000 daily in spite of very high vaccination rates. Normally over 1 million tests daily. (published). Many double vaccinated are being infected. Famous BBC presenter Andrew Marr x2 too. Close relative of mine aged 27 currently has delta covid, 2 x Pfizer jabs weeks ago as he's a doctor. (non covid ward) He puts it down to visiting pubs. 

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Isaan in general has certainly moved up from just a nominal few cases a day. I don’t think I would call it very bad quite yet, but of course the tip of the iceberg theory is applicable and what we see now can easily roar it’s way higher. So in the sense that a rising trajectory seems to be establishing itself, it is very bad.
 

The numbers as presented are still modest, it’s next week and the week after that may look much worse.

 

I’m still a bit more focused on the south and whether the case levels in the Deep South start to work their way up and into Krabi, Phangna and sandbox island.

Kalasin: 5 yesterday 27 today. Today all schools closed. The missus blames Prayut. So do I.

Edited June 30, 2021 by dinsdale

[Bkk Brian]

31 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

 

"It be like that sometimes?" Just because this is an uncomfortable outcome, does not necessarily make it the wrong outcome.

 

I'm not saying it's the right outcome either. I'm saying that we should at least genuinely explore if it might be the right outcome.

 

 

Head to Brazil and explore it with them, you can be part of your own little experiment along with President Jair Bolsonaro.

 

Covid: Brazil hits 500,000 deaths amid 'critical' situation

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57541794

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Bangkok sets new record of 1,826 COVID-19 cases today, out of 4,786 nationwide

Infections in the capital have soared for five consecutive days. Cumulative infections, since April 1st, 2021, have increased to 230,438, including 49,799 who are still undergoing treatment in general and field hospitals. There are 1,911 severe cases and 556 of them need ventilators.

 

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/bangkok-sets-new-record-of-1826-covid-19-cases-today-out-of-4786-nationwide/