Thailand reports 6,087 new COVID-19 cases, 61 more deaths

[Olmate]

52 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

I was under the same impression.

 

The right of return is a principle in international law which guarantees everyone's right of voluntary return to, or re-entry to, their country of origin or of citizenship. The right of return is part of the broader human rights concept freedom of movement and is also related to the legal concept of nationality.[1] While many states afford their citizens the right of abode, the right of return is not restricted to citizenship or nationality in the formal sense.[2] It allows stateless persons and for those born outside their country to return for the first time, so long as they have maintained a "genuine and effective link.

It was tested.in  High.Court inOz and found to be within gov right to prevent return due to health risk.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

If I was say USA, I may have done that already.

My issue is that being Oz and not married to a Thai, the Oz gov may not allow me to return to Thailand. 

If you do want to return to Oz now there is a probable 3 to 6 months wait as repatriation quotas have been halved due to problems Oz is having with Delta variant.

Edited July 2, 2021 by LosLobo

[Olmate]

38 minutes ago, bamukloy said:

Ok, I think most Aussies know the long story is that you can leave on socalled compassionate grounds IF you apply for permission to leave.

But if you are not married to a Thai and cannot show witten proof of such, proof of business or the like, you are not going anywhere as far as I know.

I'd love to hear from anyone who has been let out of Australia on other grounds though. 

Approx 40k ozzies left and similar no. returned in May this year.. If your a citizens who normally resides OS.you are free to leave 

[brewsterbudgen]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

@brewsterbudgen

 

Getting worse and worse do you still think opening schools is a good idea ?

 

Especially with the fact that there are clusters at child care too. So kids can get it too and spread it to you.

 

 

I would like to see schools reopen as soon as possible, with vaccinated teachers. 

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

If you do want to return to Oz now there is a probable 3 to 6 months wait as repatriation quotas have been halved due to problems Oz is having with Delta variant.

Thanks for that info.

We live in a strange world. As an Australian think I can travel to USA without visa for certain period.

Bit weird to think I can likely visit USA and return to Thailand more easily than deal with my own country.

Perhaps time to look into the land of the free.

[DrJack54]

7 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I would like to see schools reopen as soon as possible, with vaccinated teachers. 

So without your typical smokescreen.

When would that be possible. An approximate date. 

You put some sugar on it referring to vaccinated teachers. No mention of daily infections etc to make possible schools open

 

Edited July 2, 2021 by DrJack54

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I would like to see schools reopen as soon as possible, with vaccinated teachers. 

How does that help given the outbreak infecting kids.. so an infected kid infects his friends and your kid and takes it back home.. 

 

What is the problem exactly is the online learning not good or do you need more free time ? just curious what the rush is if they have online learning ?

[James105]

8 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The sad story you talk about would be replicated x100000 by the deaths of covid patients without appropriate measures.

 

Sweden had a covid death rate of 1,436 per million people, Thailand currently has a death rate of 31 per million people. Yet you try to hold Sweden as an example of what Thailand should be doing, nonsensical.

 

If you do care about the population, the economy and more people who will kill themselves because of lack of money then its not good saying its too late, that does nothing, it will only get worse.

 

Its never to late, countries don't just give up, its harder now to control yes but it can still be controlled to avoid those extra thousands of deaths that apparently is fine for you so long as a few suicides are avoided.

 

Go in hard now, full lockdown, they work, it will work after a 2 week lag to get the spread down and the hospitals time to avoid crisis and people dying at home because of no beds available. 

 

Again your solution is Sweden, yet this example of the suicide pales into insignificance with Swedens 14,500 covid deaths in a population of just 10 million. 

 

Get a grip man, I can only assume you're a selfish bar or restaurant owner who wants customers at all costs with no regard to the spread it helps to cause and deaths it leads to

 

 

Don't worry about me, I have plenty of money from my own online business unaffected by covid, and am young enough not to be affected by covid if I get it.   I can easily ride this out in my large villa and continue to have parties with my friends here.    I am not however, blinded to the destruction around me from the unnecessary closure of viable businesses.

 

   I remain irritated by the older generation who, quite frankly, are old enough to assess the risks around them and make their own judgements without needing to be parented by a government.

 

   There is nothing to stop you from staying indoors and avoiding the virus regardless of restrictions in place, but that isn't good enough, you want others that do not share the same risk to share the same burden.    That is selfish.    

Edited July 2, 2021 by onthedarkside
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[LosLobo]

10 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Thanks for that info.

We live in a strange world. As an Australian think I can travel to USA without visa for certain period.

Bit weird to think I can likely visit USA and return to Thailand more easily than deal with my own country.

Perhaps time to look into the land of the free.

But you must admit Oz is now the land of the (almost COVID) free. 

 

The draconian international travel policies have worked.

[bamukloy]

15 minutes ago, Olmate said:

It was tested.in  High.Court inOz and found to be within gov right to prevent return due to health risk.

That's kind of the point. They have overwritten human rights laws with the flick of a pen, so the high court may as well be another government department.

A human rights movement took the government to court over the outgoing travel bans, since anyone leaving the country longterm is absolutely NO health risk or threat to Australia, yet the court threw it out with what seemed like zero consideration.

[RichardColeman]

Many of my Thai FB friends are now posting tik tok videos of bodies being removed from housing estates. And this will happen more and more with stay at home orders

 

And they are really criticizing the government.

 

Critical cases now has gone from 1200 to 1900 in less than a week - or over a 50% rise now

Edited July 2, 2021 by RichardColeman

[brewsterbudgen]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

How does that help given the outbreak infecting kids.. so an infected kid infects his friends and your kid and takes it back home.. 

 

What is the problem exactly is the online learning not good or do you need more free time ? just curious what the rush is if they have online learning ?

From a selfish point of view, my kid is no longer affected as term ended today. For me, 3 months of online classes (20 6-year-olds) has been no substitute for proper school. Hopefully schools will have reopened by the start if next term.  Less selfishly, I worry about the kids who do not have access to online learning and are probably spending all day playing with the same friends that they would have been at school with! 

[metisdead]

Off topic posts about the flu, smallpox and polio have been removed as well as the replies. 

[DrJack54]

1 minute ago, LosLobo said:

But you must admit Oz is now the land of the (almost COVID) free. 

 

The draconian international travel policies have worked.

That success was in the little league.

The new big bully came to Oz to kick some ass. 

He goes by the name Mr Delta. 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

9 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

So without your typical smokescreen.

When would that be possible. An approximate date. 

You put some sugar on it referring to vaccinated teachers. No mention of daily infections etc to make possible schools open

 

If it had been up to me, I would not have closed schools.  I doubt it would have made a huge difference to the current numbers.  In any case, I believe schools in some provinces are still open. Maybe it should be for provincial governors to decide?

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Don't worry about me, I have plenty of money from my own online business unaffected by covid, and am young enough not to be affected by covid if I get it.   I can easily ride this out in my large villa and continue to have parties with my friends here.    I am not however, blinded to the destruction around me from the unnecessary closure of viable businesses.    I remain irritated by the older generation who, quite frankly, are old enough to assess the risks around them and make their own judgements without needing to be parented by a government.    There is nothing to stop you from staying indoors and avoiding the virus regardless of restrictions in place, but that isn't good enough, you want others that do not share the same risk to share the same burden.    That is selfish.    

 

Its not about you who has plenty of money in your large villa where you continue to have parties with friends and are unaffected by covid though is it, thanks for the lifestlyle announcement however.......LOL

 

Its also not about me who lives in Phuket and has countless friends and acquaintances who have suffered deeply because of this, have lost their business's, their livelihoods and have all wished the government would have acted earlier and locked down the same as they did in the first wave.

 

Your age also has nothing to do with by the way. You've also totally ignored the consequences of using Sweden as a model for Thailand 

[wensiensheng]

40 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Do you not understand that it is too late?  The virus is gaining momentum and it is too late to stop it now.   It will peak at some point and then it will naturally drop.   There is probably nothing that can be done at this point so all you can do is look at how much preventable destruction goes alongside it.   The only thing that can be done now is to try and increase the amount of hospital beds available, but again it is probably too late for that too.  

 

Let me ask what you would do to prevent similar sad stories such as the girl who killed herself at 30 years old due to not having an income nor even a light at the end of the tunnel without the easy and unlikely to happen option of giving people free money?    Sweden is the best of the bad options available.   

I think you are wrong. 
 

it is too late to stop the virus before it gains a significant foothold, that much is true. But, of course there are things that can still be done to slow the spread, reduce the cases from what they would be if left unchecked and reduce hospitalizations and deaths from what they otherwise would be.

 

I will reference the UK to illustrate my point. They got every decision wrong in the early phases, messed up every process. Their case numbers and deaths were through the roof, absolutely horrendous.

 

eventually they realized they had to do SOMETHING, and so they introduced house quarantine, rule of 2, rule of 6 etc etc, and focused on a vaccination program. Historically their numbers still look horrendous, but how much worse would they have been had they not acted? Late is better than never.

 

I am not saying Thailand has to do exactly what the UK did, my point is that Thailand is still in the early stages and can still take action. Doing nothing is probably the worst of the options out there. Well, maybe opening for tourism is worse, but other than that doing nothing is the worst.

[LosLobo]

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

That success was in the little league.

The new big bully came to Oz to kick some ass. 

He goes by the name Mr Delta. 

 

Hence today's imposition of halving the already draconian repatriation quotas.

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, James105 said:

Don't worry about me, I have plenty of money from my own online business unaffected by covid, and am young enough not to be affected by covid if I get it.   I can easily ride this out in my large villa and continue to have parties with my friends here.    I am not however, blinded to the destruction around me from the unnecessary closure of viable businesses.    I remain irritated by the older generation who, quite frankly, are old enough to assess the risks around them and make their own judgements without needing to be parented by a government.    There is nothing to stop you from staying indoors and avoiding the virus regardless of restrictions in place, but that isn't good enough, you want others that do not share the same risk to share the same burden.    That is selfish.    

So, you don’t care if you get infected, and spread the virus to others?

 

How unselfish of you.

[James105]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its not about you who has plenty of money in your large villa where you continue to have parties with friends and are unaffected by covid though is it, thanks for the lifestlyle announcement however.......LOL

 

Its also not about me who lives in Phuket and has countless friends and acquaintances who have suffered deeply because of this, have lost their business's, their livelihoods and have all wished the government would have acted earlier and locked down the same as they did in the first wave.

 

Your age also has nothing to do with by the way. You've also totally ignored the consequences of using Sweden as a model for Thailand 

 

When the average age of death from Covid is 82 (at least in the UK), I would suggest that age is very relevant here.    If the average age of death from this was 20 I would actually be on your side here.   

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

If it had been up to me, I would not have closed schools.  I doubt it would have made a huge difference to the current numbers

I won't even address your second sentence that once again jumps places outside of bkk.

 

This had always been type about schools in BKK as that's where you teach and child goes to school. 

Now you finally state with clarity that.......

 "if it had been up to me,  I would never have closed schools"

 

[ThailandRyan]

7 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Don't worry about me, I have plenty of money from my own online business unaffected by covid, and am young enough not to be affected by covid if I get it.   I can easily ride this out in my large villa and continue to have parties with my friends here.    I am not however, blinded to the destruction around me from the unnecessary closure of viable businesses.    I remain irritated by the older generation who, quite frankly, are old enough to assess the risks around them and make their own judgements without needing to be parented by a government.    There is nothing to stop you from staying indoors and avoiding the virus regardless of restrictions in place, but that isn't good enough, you want others that do not share the same risk to share the same burden.    That is selfish.    

 

Selfish is the way you respond, and how you believe that you can not infect others and could care less about Covid as you say it will not affect you.  Sir you are a true dreamer, and are living in a fantasy world where you believe you will not be affected if you have Covid.

 

  Many young folks have died, and many still have symptoms and long lasting medical issues after having had Covid, so in essence you are a Denier, a Denier of true facts and selfish in your beliefs that you can do what you want and as you please without truly knowing what you talk about.

Edited July 2, 2021 by onthedarkside
personal comment removed

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, James105 said:

 

When the average age of death from Covid is 82 (at least in the UK), I would suggest that age is very relevant here.    If the average age of death from this was 20 I would actually be on your side here.   

Right I see where you're coming from and why you mentioned Sweden as a model for Thailand, let all the old people die in the care homes as long as people can carry on partying in their big villas with friends, plenty of money and an online business.

[bermondburi]

Looks like it's exponential. 

[ThailandRyan]

Just now, bermondburi said:

Looks like it's exponential. 

No, You didn't go there, OH no the Spotter will be here soon to school you up on what exponential truly means.  At least you have now provided additional entertainment for the OP.  I do agree the numbers have gone in an upward trajectory, not quite straight up but climbing significantly.  Waiting also for someone to claim it is just an Artifact day and will go back down soon.  

[James105]

 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Right I see where you're coming from and why you mentioned Sweden as a model for Thailand, let all the old people die in the care homes as long as people can carry on partying in their big villas with friends, plenty of money and an online business.

 

You accused me of having a restaurant or bar and selfishly wanting to open things up for personal reasons, I merely corrected you.   Poverty is a killer and I would like to see measures in place that prevent this as much as possible by allowing businesses that have outdoor options to continue with sensible restrictions such as 50% capacity.   

 

The mistake Sweden made was to let it spread in care homes.   I am not proposing the same mistakes are repeated, but everything that happened after that.  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

More bad news pretty much all. the way around:

 

Thailand passes 2,000 COVID patients hospitalized in critical condition for the first time:

 

54,440 COVID patients hospitalized, a pandemic record high.

 

Among those, 2,002 COVID patients listed in critical condition, also a pandemic record high.

 

Among those, 579 requiring ventilators to breathe, also a pandemic record high.

 

The 61 new deaths for the day marks Thailand's third consecutive day for making new record highs for COVID deaths, following 53 on Wednesday and 57 on Thursday.

 

The 6,087 new COVID cases reported is almost double the number of cases reported just two weeks ago (3,058 on June 18).

 

 

(screenshot from the government's televised news briefing today):

Edited July 2, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[wensiensheng]

7 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Don't worry about me, I have plenty of money from my own online business unaffected by covid, and am young enough not to be affected by covid if I get it.   I can easily ride this out in my large villa and continue to have parties with my friends here.    I am not however, blinded to the destruction around me from the unnecessary closure of viable businesses.    I remain irritated by the older generation who, quite frankly, are old enough to assess the risks around them and make their own judgements without needing to be parented by a government.    There is nothing to stop you from staying indoors and avoiding the virus regardless of restrictions in place, but that isn't good enough, you want others that do not share the same risk to share the same burden.    That is selfish.    

I find an interesting disconnect between your arguments.

 

on the one hand, let the virus run its course, it’s only a small percentage of people that die.

 

and we need to open everything up because people are suffering financial hardship and starving.

 

but, it seems to me , it’s not all people who are suffering, it’s only a minority (less than 50%) of people who are suffering  any financial hardship, and a smaller percentage suffering real financial hardship and a smaller percentage still that are actually starving.

 

Through social programs governments have the opportunity to provide financial assistance to those suffering financial hardship, banks can help those with debts, central and provincial/district authorities can provide food to those who need it.

 

the people who are dead, are dead. There is no help for them.

 

Turning to another subject, why do you think old people need parenting from the government? It’s quite a broad statement to make. I can’t really see where you are going with that. Can you elaborate please?

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Waiting also for someone to claim it is just an Artifact day and will go back down soon. 

Waiting also to suggest that schools in Bangkok need to be open back dated to weeks ago.

[JimLahey]

27 minutes ago, James105 said:

Sweden is the best of the bad options available.

 

Why would you say that?  It's a bit of a myth that Sweden has done so good, just compared to its neighbours they have done really bad.  

 

 

 

Thailand is still doing better than most countries (need to compare per capita), if we believe their numbers, but sadly it looks very bad for Thailand now.  I'm afraid we might see a situation like we had/have in India in some weeks.

 

 

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries