Thailand reports 9,317 new COVID-19 cases, 87 more deaths

[Mr Meeseeks]

4 minutes ago, smedly said:

of course they did - actions speak louder than words as have to constantly read between the lines - hiding the truth in a pandemic is not helpful to anyone - they would get more respect for being open and honest - pity they don't realise that

It's not the Thai way mate as you well know.

 

Telling the truth to any of them usually solicits an angry response.

[Bkk Brian]

Capping the numbers as if we didn't know already:

 

A leaked letter given 2me by a human rights lawyer shows Department of Employment ordering a halt on target #COVID19 testing of migrant workers in highly infected areas due to strain on equipments &medical staff. Letter dated July 5.

 

https://twitter.com/PravitR/status/1415125436107935744

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Capping the numbers as if we didn't know already:

 

A leaked letter given 2me by a human rights lawyer shows Department of Employment ordering a halt on target #COVID19 testing of migrant workers in highly infected areas due to strain on equipments &medical staff. Letter dated July 5.

 

https://twitter.com/PravitR/status/1415125436107935744

 

Further evidence that the virus outbreak is totally out of control and this government are totally out of their depth.

 

Worrying times ahead. 

[DrJack54]

39 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

as hospitals can now tell people just to go home, and maybe not test them first.

'can NOW.....' implies you think this stay at home isolate or sent away etc just started NOW.

 

GEEZ what don't you understand. This has been going on for quite some time.

The daily positives are almost irrelevant as do not reflect real situation.

 

[ThailandRyan]

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/ronald_reagan_128358

 

The truth hurts when we are faced with reality and the quote Reagan made many moons ago is truthful and says it all.

 

"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Edited July 14, 2021 by ThailandRyan

[Tarteso]

52 minutes ago, webfact said:

Total infections since April 1: 334,166

They meant from the brilliant idea of stampede of Songkrang Festival.

[robblok]

12 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Let me speculate that since many infections are in clusters, temples within those clusters are having to deal with body disposal, whereas many temples outside the clusters aren’t busy.

That certainly is a possibility, however (not sure how long you have been in Thailand and how many funerals you attended) many Thais get cremated in their home town. So someone dying in BKK was often transported to home town for cremation and so on. I noticed that more then once. I am sure I am not the only one.

 

Besides if a temple cant handle it work will be shifted to an other temple. Bodies can be moved to where there is place to burn. Families want this done asap so i doubt they will only go to a select group of tempels.

Edited July 14, 2021 by robblok

[smedly]

so many sensible people posting on these threads and also the effort to process the data and display it in a meaninful way, it does not go unnoticed 

 

it is commendable and I offer my sincerest gratitude to you all

Edited July 14, 2021 by smedly

[anchadian]

BP reported that 99 new cases in Pranuap Khiri Khan, linked to a cluster at a pineapple canning factory.

 al/2148

[wensiensheng]

35 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here's a model of the true infections in Thailand, if you take the mean average then it indicates over 26,000 thousand a day although the data is up till the end of June only so now would be even more:

 

"A key limitation in our understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic is that we do not know the true number of infections. Instead, we only know of infections that have been confirmed by a test – the confirmed cases. But because many infected people never get tested,2 we know that confirmed cases are only a fraction of true infections. How small a fraction though?

To answer this question, several research groups have developed epidemiological models of COVID-19. These models use the data we have – confirmed cases and deaths, testing rates, and more – plus a range of assumptions and epidemiological knowledge to estimate true infections and other important metrics."

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-models#institute-for-health-metrics-and-evaluation-ihme

 

I wonder if Thailand is even doing half of the research that that report suggests is necessary in order to properly understand the spread of the virus and create modeling for the future that would help with current decision making.

[Bkk Brian]

and it goes on, picked up by Human Rights Watch now, so not only stopping tests but also stopping healthcare

 

Breaking! #Thailand Labor Minister stops #COVID19 test and healthcare for #migrant workers in #Bangkok and surrounding provinces, claiming #Thai people get priority during new outbreak. Serious violations of human rights! Also raises concerns about undetected infections.

@HRW

 

https://twitter.com/sunaibkk/status/1415047057828503553

 

Edited July 14, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[wensiensheng]

17 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Let me speculate that since many infections are in clusters, temples within those clusters are having to deal with body disposal, whereas many temples outside the clusters aren’t busy.

When you say “cluster”, you mean Bangkok and it’s surrounding area?

[ThailandRyan]

5 minutes ago, anchadian said:

BP reported that 99 new cases in Pranuap Khiri Khan, linked to a cluster at a pineapple canning factory.

 al/2148

That cluster in Prachuap has been going on for awhile now.

[Mr Meeseeks]

8 minutes ago, robblok said:

Families want this done asap so i doubt they will only go to a select group of tempels.

In normal circumstances it is usually the custom to pick an auspicious day for the funeral rather than burn the body straight away. Bodies can lie interred for weeks and perhaps months if the family wishes (and can afford it).

[Bkk Brian]

Ministry of Labour says BMA blocking Covid-19 tests for construction worker camps

The Ministry of Labour said on Wednesday that it is unable to conduct Covid-19 tests in sealed up construction worker camps because the Bangkok Governor’s office will not give it the necessary permission.

Speaking to MCoT TV, Minister of Labour Suchart Chomklin said that the governor’s office was actively preventing authorities from doing active case findings because people inside the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) would not be able to handle the increase in cases.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29828/ministry-of-labour-says-bma-blocking-covid-19-tests-for-construction-worker-camps/

[Danderman123]

12 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

'can NOW.....' implies you think this stay at home isolate or sent away etc just started NOW.

 

GEEZ what don't you understand. This has been going on for quite some time.

The daily positives are almost irrelevant as do not reflect real situation.

 

Nope.

 

Until recently, hospitals were required to admit anyone who tested positive. This created a disincentive for full hospitals to test anyone. So, when someone felt Covid symptoms they would call the hospital and be told that no testing was available and to wait. Thus, the stories of people waiting for a hospital bed appeared in the media.

 

The new policy allows hospitals to test and then triage patients. If a patient is mildly symptomatic, they can be sent home to self-isolate. The theory is that this will free up acute care beds by sending those with mild symptoms home, rather than to an acute care hospital.

[Walker88]

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/ronald_reagan_128358

 

The truth hurts when we are faced with reality and the quote Reagan made many moons ago is truthful and says it all.

 

"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

Not that this is on topic, but Reagan's statement was silly. Read Michael Lewis' book "The Fifth Risk", and it makes Reagan's statement look as foolish as it was. Reagan was just pandering and appealing to willfully ignorant people needing confirmation bias.

 

The gist is that govt does things that are un-economic for any private sector firm, and all in all do those things surprisingly well, by people who put societal good over personal enrichment.

 

Now the Thai govt may not be quite so effective nor govt employees not as altrusitic, but my point is to point out the abject absurdity of Reagan's silly statement.

[ftpjtm]

41 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Where are those folks who when we stated this would get worse, they said Thailand was doing well and hospitals were not full and bodies were not piling up and we were scaremongers, fear mongers and so on....yes that last part is Rhetorical in nature.  

*Raises Hand* Yeah, that was me. After spending Jan 2020 - May 2021 in Thailand saying things like that ^ I'm in the US with 2 Pfizer jabs in my arm.

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

and it goes on, picked up by Human Rights Watch now, so not only stopping tests but also stopping healthcare

 

Breaking! #Thailand Labor Minister stops #COVID19 test and healthcare for #migrant workers in #Bangkok and surrounding provinces, claiming #Thai people get priority during new outbreak. Serious violations of human rights! Also raises concerns about undetected infections.

@HRW

 

https://twitter.com/sunaibkk/status/1415047057828503553

 

What the hell...treating anyone other than a Thai with disdain and a lack of compassion and understanding.  Truly a self righteous group we have in power here in Thailand.  What a bunch of tards.  Lets hope this goes worldwide in the news.  What the feces is wrong with these folks, countries have donated millions of dollars to help Thailand and this is how others get treated....

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Ministry of Labour says BMA blocking Covid-19 tests for construction worker camps

The Ministry of Labour said on Wednesday that it is unable to conduct Covid-19 tests in sealed up construction worker camps because the Bangkok Governor’s office will not give it the necessary permission.

Speaking to MCoT TV, Minister of Labour Suchart Chomklin said that the governor’s office was actively preventing authorities from doing active case findings because people inside the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) would not be able to handle the increase in cases.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29828/ministry-of-labour-says-bma-blocking-covid-19-tests-for-construction-worker-camps/

Lies and more deflection.  Talk about untruthfulness and uncaring....this just reeks of a lack of money willing to be spent on others that are not Thai....

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

In normal circumstances it is usually the custom to pick an auspicious day for the funeral rather than burn the body straight away. Bodies can lie interred for weeks and perhaps months if the family wishes (and can afford it).

Your older then me probably have witnessed it more. But i been to a few deaths of people who lived in BKK but were cremated in other provinces. Because that is where there family lives. 

 

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Not that this is on topic, but Reagan's statement was silly. Read Michael Lewis' book "The Fifth Risk", and it makes Reagan's statement look as foolish as it was. Reagan was just pandering and appealing to willfully ignorant people needing confirmation bias.

 

The gist is that govt does things that are un-economic for any private sector firm, and all in all do those things surprisingly well, by people who put societal good over personal enrichment.

 

Now the Thai govt may not be quite so effective nor govt employees not as altrusitic, but my point is to point out the abject absurdity of Reagan's silly statement.

However, is it absurd in the use of it to describe this Government we are dealing with here in Thailand.  I think it is appropriate for what we are seeing and thus why I posted it. Yet we can agree to disagree based upon how it was initially used.

[Cake Monster]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

But, the self-isolation system lends itself to under reporting, as hospitals can now tell people just to go home, and maybe not test them first.

Self Isolation will lend itself to under reporting of the true numbers.

This will play out well for the mass opening in 90 ? Days or so.

Expect the number of those confirmed as positive to start dropping rapidly from the moment self testing, and self Isolation kick in.

[dinsdale]

24 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Let me speculate that since many infections are in clusters, temples within those clusters are having to deal with body disposal, whereas many temples outside the clusters aren’t busy.

This is not I would suggest the case rather I would posit that bodies are being move all over the place for cremation. 

[Walker88]

The Delta variant should put the fear of (insert your favorite deity or deities) in everybody.

 

In the US, in States where vax rates are low (correlating nearly 100% with whom the State voted for in the 2020 Presidential Election) hospital ICUs are filling up with "20, 30, 40 year olds" (Missouri) and "children" (Mississippi).

 

With Delta, it isn't age or co-morbidities; it's everybody.

[rabas]

3 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

Self Isolation will lend itself to under reporting of the true numbers.

This will play out well for the mass opening in 90 ? Days or so.

Expect the number of those confirmed as positive to start dropping rapidly from the moment self testing, and self Isolation kick in.

It will lead to further spread considering Thai living conditions, which is why they avoided it as long as possible. But now there is no choice.

 

Edited July 14, 2021 by rabas

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

This is not I would suggest the case rather I would posit that bodies are being move all over the place for cremation. 

If the bodies were being dispersed to temples all over Bangkok, or to other provinces, you think that 80 or 90 deaths a day would clog up the entire mortuary system for Bangkok?

 

Much more likely that temples where there are high concentrations of infections are being hit by cremation requests from locals.

[smedly]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Breaking! #Thailand Labor Minister stops #COVID19 test and healthcare for #migrant workers in #Bangkok and surrounding provinces, claiming #Thai people get priority during new outbreak. Serious violations of human rights! Also raises concerns about undetected infections.

wow, so Anutins priority order is now clear

 

1. Officials (Government)

2. Hiso's

3. Middle class Thai

4. the rest Thai

5. migrants cheap labour

6. soi dogs

7. Farang Tourists (sandbox)

8. Farang living here

 

did I miss anyone

 

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

Self Isolation will lend itself to under reporting of the true numbers.

This will play out well for the mass opening in 90 ? Days or so.

Expect the number of those confirmed as positive to start dropping rapidly from the moment self testing, and self Isolation kick in.

I don’t expect a drop from the effects of self isolation, I expect the numbers to flatten out.

 

At some point soon, we will see new admissions = discharges, which will tell us that the hospital system is maxed out. 
 

At the same time, new cases are also capped by the number of tests conducted. Unless there is more testing and more hospital beds, new case numbers will be capped.

[ThailandRyan]

7 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

Self Isolation will lend itself to under reporting of the true numbers.

This will play out well for the mass opening in 90 ? Days or so.

Expect the number of those confirmed as positive to start dropping rapidly from the moment self testing, and self Isolation kick in.

Samui + to open tomorrow, looks like it might be stalled according to a BP article.