10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Which indicates that that throughout Thailand at least 10% of people who come forward to be tested are positive

 Never understood why someone would 'come forward' for testing. They either have symptoms or perhaps need negative result for work etc 

Actually surprised it's % is that low.

 

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I don't know about "at least" but yes, it's about people who came forward to be tested. Not a random sampling. 

I put at least because the figure is actually higher at 12.04% of people who come forward for testing be that in hospitals, clinics, pro active testing units or random testing stations throughout Thailand.

 

Its a worrying figure 

5 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

1 hour ago, webfact said:

Thursday’s cases bring the total number of COVID-19 infections in Thailand to 372,215

No words required

Words are required. These case numbers are targeted groups. Could be clusters. Could be workers camps and prisons. Could be those that present at health care facilities. 

 Very little to do with random sampling so figures are useless.

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

I wonder how the PM is feeling now that the Thailand wide super spreader event he caused when locking down the construction sites in Bangkok is showing its full and deadly force.

 

Worried about the consequences of his negligence and concerns for the people, I doubt it, likely worried about the effects of the growing carnage on his personal coffers and retention of power.

 

However he may have a nagging thought that someone will seek ultimate justice and I am sure his personal security measures are under increasing scrutiny.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I put at least because the figure is actually higher at 12.04% of people who come forward for testing be that in hospitals, clinics, pro active testing units or random testing stations throughout Thailand.

 

Its a worrying figure 

That it is.

15 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

Please stop blowing our minds.  Thank you.  ????

I think the combination of the Beta and Zuma variants have created a bit of a different strain.There are also some tell tale signs of panic here with leaks of stopping testing for migrant workers in favour of Thais only.Myanmar is running out of oxygen Indo now reports more cases than India so tensions are high having been built up by various means so things (people) can easily become volatile.I worry more about this than covid. 

Just now, FarFlungFalang said:

I think the combination of the Beta and Zuma variants have created a bit of a different strain.There are also some tell tale signs of panic here with leaks of stopping testing for migrant workers in favour of Thais only.Myanmar is running out of oxygen Indo now reports more cases than India so tensions are high having been built up by various means so things (people) can easily become volatile.I worry more about this than covid. 

Well, the one thing good about the Delta variant is that it's a lot more transmissible than the beta variant. So it's pretty much shout out beta's ability to spread much further.

Rights group calls for government to reconsider worker camp policy, uphold human rights standards

The government should reconsider its decision to stop Covid testing and providing healthcare for migrant workers who have been confined to camps, a Human Rights Watch representative told Thai Enquirer this Thursday.

 

The Ministry of Labour, which gave the order to halt the testing and offering healthcare assistance said on Wednesday that it is unable to conduct Covid-19 tests in sealed up construction worker camps because the Bangkok Governor’s office will not give it the necessary permission. (Read more here)

 

“The ministry’s decision is discriminatory and blatantly shows disregard of Thailand’s obligations to uphold labor standards and human rights during the pandemic,” said Sunai Phasuk, a senior researcher on Thailand in Human Rights Watch’s Asia division.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29883/rights-group-calls-for-government-to-reconsider-worker-camp-policy-uphold-human-rights-standards/

 

How COVID-19 takes advantage of vaccine race

Human beings having several, competing vaccines may be the last thing they need and the first thing the coronavirus wants.

 

Instead of pooling expertise, manpower and financial resources to create one single vaccine that works best, human beings have been trying to outdo one another when they should not have, and thus come up with flawed drugs separately that might be prompting and allowing the coronavirus to mutate to devastating effects.

 

Utmost unity may sound idealistic, made impossible by the reality of politics at the highest level of the world. But, in fact, science demands it.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/how-covid-19-takes-advantage-of-vaccine-race/

14 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Words are required. These case numbers are targeted groups. Could be clusters. Could be workers camps and prisons. Could be those that present at health care facilities. 

 Very little to do with random sampling so figures are useless.

At the end of the day we all have a use by date so I guess your right, figures are useless.

26 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

 Never understood why someone would 'come forward' for testing. They either have symptoms or perhaps need negative result for work etc 

Actually surprised it's % is that low.

 

Probably they all want to visit Phuket and take advantage of the amazing SHA hotel deals…….

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Rights group calls for government to reconsider worker camp policy, uphold human rights standards

The government should reconsider its decision to stop Covid testing and providing healthcare for migrant workers who have been confined to camps, a Human Rights Watch representative told Thai Enquirer this Thursday.

 

The Ministry of Labour, which gave the order to halt the testing and offering healthcare assistance said on Wednesday that it is unable to conduct Covid-19 tests in sealed up construction worker camps because the Bangkok Governor’s office will not give it the necessary permission. (Read more here)

 

“The ministry’s decision is discriminatory and blatantly shows disregard of Thailand’s obligations to uphold labor standards and human rights during the pandemic,” said Sunai Phasuk, a senior researcher on Thailand in Human Rights Watch’s Asia division.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29883/rights-group-calls-for-government-to-reconsider-worker-camp-policy-uphold-human-rights-standards/

It will be interesting  to see if the mistreatment of migrant workers in Thailand gets to be a big thing in the Western press. This might just be the start.

12 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Yes indeed.We have two similarly poor countries side by side with Trictator rule and rudimentary public health systems yet a remarkable difference in performance.Laos seems to be doing much better wouldn't you agree? 

Thailand emphatically does not have a rudiimentary public health system. Far, far from it.

https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/research/comparative-health-policy-library/thailand-summary

 

 

49 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

 Never understood why someone would 'come forward' for testing. They either have symptoms or perhaps need negative result for work etc 

Actually surprised it's % is that low.

 

I would say you're right to be surprised that despite being 12.04% its still low. In reality we can logically assume its much higher.

 

Unfortunately the official figures that are released from Department of Medical Sciences Ministry of Public Health and subsequently used by Ourworldindata and other graphs are not those of actual people tested. They are of actual laboratory tests carried out. Downloading the data in excel the documentation clearly states that the number of tests includes repeat tests. Not the number of people tested.

 

We also know that each confirmed case that is admitted to a hospital have more than one test. It also includes tests done for all other categories such as all arrivals from abroad including the sandbox and repatriation flights, those also in quarantine who need to undergo 2 or 3 tests.

 

So for example if the tests for a certain day is 60,000, how many of that is actual people tested? Pure speculation.

 

Its not a very advanced way of reporting testing figures as carried out in other countries.

Different report to the one we received yesterday. https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003237

 

The “Samui Plus” model kicks off today (July 15th), welcoming fully vaccinated foreign tourists, just two weeks after the initial Phuket “sandbox” tourism project was launched. The first 20 tourists are expected to arrive on Samui Island today.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailand-cautiously-reopens-to-foreign-tourists-as-the-samui-plus-project-starts-thursday/

1 hour ago, Pravda said:

 

It says quite clearly 1 in 10 of Thai population have covid.

That would be 7 million cases. Even if only 10% required hospitalization, that would be 700,000 hospitalizations.

4 minutes ago, anchadian said:

. The first 20 tourists are expected to arrive on Samui Island today

So how does that work at BKK airport.

I assume they fly BKK to Samui via Bangkok airways. How does transit work? 

12 minutes ago, anchadian said:

How COVID-19 takes advantage of vaccine race

Human beings having several, competing vaccines may be the last thing they need and the first thing the coronavirus wants.

 

Instead of pooling expertise, manpower and financial resources to create one single vaccine that works best, human beings have been trying to outdo one another when they should not have, and thus come up with flawed drugs separately that might be prompting and allowing the coronavirus to mutate to devastating effects.

 

Utmost unity may sound idealistic, made impossible by the reality of politics at the highest level of the world. But, in fact, science demands it.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/how-covid-19-takes-advantage-of-vaccine-race/

"All scientists know that the line between extinction and continuation is very thin."

 

Obviously not written by a scientist.  I looked up the author to find he is a Thai Media commentator focused on politics. His twitter self description reads "Updates, gossips, rants about Thailand's news in particular."

 

He claims to understand evolution.  Then he suggests just one 'best' vaccine, completely ignoring that evolution's success is based on exploring all possibilities.

What was the goal here again please? 10,000 new daily cases or 100 daily deaths? Sorry I forget...

44 minutes ago, anchadian said:

 

How COVID-19 takes advantage of vaccine race

Human beings having several, competing vaccines may be the last thing they need and the first thing the coronavirus wants.

 

Instead of pooling expertise, manpower and financial resources to create one single vaccine that works best, human beings have been trying to outdo one another when they should not have, and thus come up with flawed drugs separately that might be prompting and allowing the coronavirus to mutate to devastating effects.

 

Utmost unity may sound idealistic, made impossible by the reality of politics at the highest level of the world. But, in fact, science demands it.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/how-covid-19-takes-advantage-of-vaccine-race/

A scientifically illiterate opinion. What makes the author of this opinion piece even think that it's possible to create a perfect vaccine that would have annihilated the virus? Because it would stop mutating? How many scientists can even participate in a single project to create this perfect vaccine? What are we supposed to do until this perfect vaccine is created?

Shouldn't be surprised by the ignorance on display here though. A recently featured article from the same website badly misconstrued Covid research and actually included quotes from a thai actor and the wife of a thai actor about their experience with the vaccine. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the person who wrote this opinion piece was also the reporter for that article. Since the author of that piece was anonymous, I guess we'll never know.

44 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, the one thing good about the Delta variant is that it's a lot more transmissible than the beta variant. So it's pretty much shout out beta's ability to spread much further.

That's the theory, but there have been examples of dual infections and with this virus' ability to circumvent human immune responses I'm not sure that what you suggest is a sure bet.A similar thing happens with the flu remember where if you've had on strain it doesn't mean you're stopped from getting the next one.I've had a runny nose for a couple of days now and wouldn't be at all surprised if I've been infected with another strain.

3 minutes ago, BobinBKK said:

What was the goal here again please? 10,000 new daily cases or 100 daily deaths? Sorry I forget...

No the goal was 100,000 tourists to come internationally and spread the cash and dosh in Phuket and then onto the Samui+ travel bubble.......

1 minute ago, FarFlungFalang said:

That's the theory, but there have been examples of dual infections and with this virus' ability to circumvent human immune responses I'm not sure that what you suggest is a sure bet.A similar thing happens with the flu remember where if you've had on strain it doesn't mean you're stopped from getting the next one.I've had a runny nose for a couple of days now and wouldn't be at all surprised if I've been infected with another strain.

So far, those cases are notable for their extreme rarity.

Just now, placeholder said:

So far, those cases are notable for their extreme rarity.

Also, those infections were concurrent, not successive.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

So far, those cases are notable for their extreme rarity.

It was also noted in the beginning of the pandemic the extreme rarity of infection of Sars Cov 2 and look what happened it's not so extremely rare now.You've also failed to address my second point about consecutive and on going infections with different variants.

Anxious, bored construction worker flies the quarantine coup

 

A 46-year-old construction labourer, who reportedly slipped away from quarantine in Buriram, said he escaped because he was bored and anxious at being ordered to stay under detention.

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003271

 

Opinion: Government’s misplaced priorities has Thailand firmly back in the third world

 

This second round of lockdown has seen some of the most heart-breaking consequences of failed government policy, doubly so as all of this could have been avoided.

 

From a country that once praised itself for being able to contain the spread of the virus, we have transitioned to a country that is now struggling to get beds for the sick.

 

Our frontline workers are on their last legs trying to provide care to those that need it while temple crematoriums work overtime to accommodate the dead.

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29892/opinion-governments-misplaced-priorities-has-thailand-firmly-back-in-the-third-world/

4 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Anxious, bored construction worker flies the quarantine coup

 

A 46-year-old construction labourer, who reportedly slipped away from quarantine in Buriram, said he escaped because he was bored and anxious at being ordered to stay under detention.

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003271

 

Sounds like he needed his meds and is in need of help by a mental health professional.  If they mess up he may become a suicide statistic.

30 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Different report to the one we received yesterday. https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003237

 

The “Samui Plus” model kicks off today (July 15th), welcoming fully vaccinated foreign tourists, just two weeks after the initial Phuket “sandbox” tourism project was launched. The first 20 tourists are expected to arrive on Samui Island today.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailand-cautiously-reopens-to-foreign-tourists-as-the-samui-plus-project-starts-thursday/

Samui Plus Model: First visitors to be foreign journalists, only 80 bookings over next 4 months  5555

2 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Thailand is ranked 6th in the world for handling covid, it will handle the pandemic with ease.You're gloom and dooming again.

6th? Linky please?