Thailand reports 14,260 new COVID-19 cases, 119 more deaths

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4 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

That could be interpreted as 50% but I know you don't mean that. It's the same...half of one-percent (written different ways).

1% is one hundredth of the total.  .5% is one two hundredth of the total. Or half of 1 percent.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

That could be interpreted as 50% but I know you don't mean that. It's the same...half of one-percent (written different ways).

You said it was .005%

 

Its clearly not, out of 19,000 cases a figure of 0.005% would account for just one death.

 

19,000 cases and 94 deaths equates to 0.5% 

 

No other interpretation can be had, unless you have your own way of comprehending percentages thats unique to you.

[Pattaya Spotter]

8 minutes ago, anchadian said:

The Covid-19 situation continued to worsen in Southeast Asia, hitting 100,000 cases on Friday, while fatalities also hit a record high

https://www.nationthailand.com/international/40003687

The difference in mortality rates between ???????? and the ???????? is notable...as most who have spent time in both places can relate, the healthcare is much better in Thailand than the Philippines. 

[Pattaya Spotter]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You said it was .005%

 

Its clearly not, out of 19,000 cases a figure of 0.005% would account for just one death.

 

19,000 cases and 94 deaths equates to 0.5% 

 

No other interpretation can be had, unless you have your own way of comprehending percentages thats unique to you.

94 ÷ 19,000 = 0.0049473684. I round that up to .005 or one-half of one percent. Put another way, 0.9950526316 survival rate.

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2 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The difference in mortality rates between ???????? and the ???????? is notable...as most who have spent time in both places can relate, the healthcare is much better in Thailand than the Philippines. 

Good point. Some people post lethality rates as though they were simply an independent function of the virus. In fact, there are a lot more factors that enter into it. Not least is the quality of health care.

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

94 ÷ 19,000 = 0.0049473684. I round that up to .005 or one-half of one percent. Put another way, 0.9950526316 survival rate.

I would give up if I were you!

Edited July 24, 2021 by jacko45k

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1 minute ago, jacko45k said:

Ooops, I would give up if I were you!

Actually, now that's correct. The problem was appending % to .005. Anyway, we knew what he meant.

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[dan42]

26 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

As Singapore has said, once vaccination numbers increase, new cases aren't important...serious hospitalizations and deaths are.

Same approach here in Spain. We have around 30-40k new cases per day and the healthcare system is managing pretty well. Once you get around 40% of the population fully vaccinated, starting with the elderly and going down age group by age group, severe illness, hospitalizations, ICUs and deaths go down fast. Here we are at around 55% fully vaccinated, it's going fast and considering the low number of anti-vaxxers here I think we will reach 80-90%. I think Italy is starting to ignore new cases as an important metric as well, and that makes sense on countries with advanced vaccination programs IMHO

 

Back to Thailand, I think we need to stop looking at the past and blaming the goverment and start looking at the present and future, focusing on solutions no fingerpointing because that won't help, will only put the goverment more nervous and on a defensive position, and what they need now is focus. There's almost no country in the world that has not made obscene mistakes on this so let's move on.

 

In terms of strategy, I believe it's a mistake to focus so much and almost only on vaccines. No matter what the goverment does, it will take months until Thailand receives a stable and sufficient amount of vaccines and design the logistics to innoculate them fast and efficiently. So a strong focus must be put on what to do in the meantime to reduce deaths as much as possible and limit damage on the economy. They need to increase testing of people and drain waters to anticipate clusters, tracking positives and close contacts, print baths and estimulate the economy, control the borders, invest on equipment (i.e.: ventilators), apply strong measures to reduce movement around the country...Many many things the goverment must do beyond vaccination.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by dan42

[Cake Monster]

I have to admit to being completely side swiped by the Inoculation numbers quoted in the OP chart.

For some time now, I have understood the number in box 6, to be the number of people that have received a single Vaccine shot.

It is not, its the figure for the total number of Vaccination Shots administered.

Therefore, the number of people who have received 2 shots, and are fully Vaccinated, is still fairly stagnant at 2 . 5 Million, as it has been now for almost 3 weeks.

This is roughly 3.8 % of the population based on 66 Million.

The number of people who have received just a single shot is approx only 10 Million. Roughly 15 % of the population.

All doses for the double Vaccinations have to be deducted from this number in Box 6

Duhhhh, I thought the number in Box 6 seems to high.

Apologies to anybody that I have mislead with my previous posts on this subject.

[Pattaya Spotter]

2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

I would give up if I were you!

I admit it's been a looong time since decimals math for me...have I completely forgotten it? The notation may be wrong but using the Chonburi numbers, the mortality rate is about half of one-percent, correct?

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

94 ÷ 19,000 = 0.0049473684. I round that up to .005 or one-half of one percent. Put another way, 0.9950526316 survival rate.

Thats division not percentage and your dividing 94 ÷ 19,000. That is not correct. If your doing division then it would be the other way round 19,000 ÷ 94

 

As I said you have a unique way of doing it.

Edited July 24, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[Pattaya Spotter]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thats division not percentage and your dividing 94 ÷ 19,000. That is not correct.

 

As I said you have a unique way of doing it.

Whatever...I don't want to give wrong information. I believe the one-half of one percent figure is correct (94/19,000). There's a reason I became a lawyer and not an engineer...all my bridges would have collapsed!

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[smedly]

8 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

94 ÷ 19,000 = 0.0049473684. I round that up to .005 or one-half of one percent. Put another way, 0.9950526316 survival rate.

you forgot X 100

 

when your bar opens (if ever) I will gladly attend if you do my checkbin lol

[law ling]

16 minutes ago, anchadian said:

State regulatory process linked with Thailand’s vaccination programme delays admits top official

 

The National Vaccine Security Act 2018, a law passed by the National Legislative Assembly, appears to have been the template for the government’s incoherent vaccine programme and was brought into focus this week when the Director of the National Vaccine Institute, an agency established under its provisions, highlighted the country’s unwieldy bureaucratic process for the procurement of vaccines. Dr Nakorn Premsri was offering an apology for the delays in delivering vaccine doses in sufficient quantities for the national vaccination programme. 

 

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/07/23/over-regulation-blamed-for-vaccine-failures/

Yet, despite the apology, there's no assurance given that vaccines will be ordered any quicker, or in greater number, in the future.

 

The present ad-hoc, peicemeal, dribs and drabs system still seems in play.

[jacko45k]

3 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I admit it's been a looong time since decimals math for me...have I completely forgotten it? The notation may be wrong but using the Chonburi numbers, the mortality rate is about half of one-percent, correct?

Yes, and generally so for Thailand.... but the rest of the world numbers are usually between 1-2% and Peru a whopping 9%. One has to ponder 'why'? I am rather anti numbers that try to minimize the seriousness of this... it is serious. 

[dinsdale]

So if I get the SMS today for tomorrow I wonder if this will be locally produced AZ. I would of course prefer mRNA but being in Samut Sakhon I'm concerned. I'm thinking 2 AZ and mRNA booster when these come on stream. 

 

[smedly]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

So if I get the SMS today for tomorrow I wonder if this will be locally produced AZ. I would of course prefer mRNA but being in Samut Sakhon I'm concerned. I'm thinking 2 AZ and mRNA booster when these come on stream. 

 

are you dreaming ????

[Danderman123]

29 minutes ago, morrobay said:

Don't forget infections also go down with time as potential targets in population  decreases as population has been saturated. Even without vaccinations.

You are trying to invoke herd immunity as an explanation for the decline in cases in Chile. Do you know what percent of the population is required to achieve herd immunity? Has Chile reached that saturation point?

[FarFlungFalang]

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

1% is one hundredth of the total.  .5% is one two hundredth of the total. Or half of 1 percent.

0.5% is 50% of 1%

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Yes, and generally so for Thailand.... but the rest of the world numbers are usually between 1-2% and Peru a whopping 9%. One has to ponder 'why'? I am rather anti numbers that try to minimize the seriousness of this... it is serious. 

Peruvian mortality is probably an artifact of their low testing.

[dinsdale]

Just now, smedly said:

are you dreaming ????

No. According to the notice tomorrow is AZ. 2nd jab I assume will be the same. Next yr maybe mRNA for booster.

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

5 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Yes, and generally so for Thailand.... but the rest of the world numbers are usually between 1-2% and Peru a whopping 9%. One has to ponder 'why'? I am rather anti numbers that try to minimize the seriousness of this... it is serious. 

I agree there is likely an undercount of cases/deaths...how much we don't know. 

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2 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

0.5% is 50% of 1%

Which I believe equals 1/200 or one two hundredth.

[jacko45k]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You are trying to invoke herd immunity as an explanation for the decline in cases in Chile. Do you know what percent of the population is required to achieve herd immunity? Has Chile reached that saturation point?

70% was bandied about... then when Delta came around, and being more infectious the number 80% popped up. Is that the total population or just adults? Because most places are reporting the percentage of adults that have been vaccinated... Younger people transmit Covid too, get infected,,, and by the way, vaccinated people do too!

Edited July 24, 2021 by jacko45k

[FarFlungFalang]

Just now, placeholder said:

Which I believe equals 1/200 or one two hundredth.

I also believe that.Are we factionalising or have we fractured a factionalised fraction?These are questions best left unanswered.

[anchadian]

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

No. According to the notice tomorrow is AZ. 2nd jab I assume will be the same. Next yr maybe mRNA for booster.

 

Good luck in the queues tomorrow.  You'll need it.

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6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Peruvian mortality is probably an artifact of their low testing.

0.5% of Peruvians have died from Covid. That's a higher percentage than the number of Britons who died from the Spanish Flu.

[wensiensheng]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

Might be those needing it for their Visas for work, or for attending school, or maybe even those that need to go overseas for a trip on the Government, aka Military.

Any government official needing to go overseas I would think. Diplomats, ministers etc.  More than a few ministers  might suddenly find the need for a trip overseas and be forced to have a Pfizer jab.

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3 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I also believe that.Are we factionalising or have we fractured a factionalised fraction?These are questions best left unanswered.

Maybe this is a faith-based issue and all answers are equally valid?

[jacko45k]

10 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Peruvian mortality is probably an artifact of their low testing.

If they had low testing, surely they would have lower Covid mortality ratios? I thought it was due to the Lambda variant. 

Edited July 24, 2021 by jacko45k