Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[internationalism]

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

What are you talking about?  I have had my first AZ shot from the Thai government, for free.  I have a confirmed appointment for my second one and again it is free from the government.

All of my foreign friends have had their first shot, all AZ, all free.

So, again, what are you talking about??  Just more ridiculous TVF victim complex paranoia.

I hadn't got my yet, despite registering 5x, and several attempted registrations.

One registration project abandoned (thanks to dr anutin).

Another one got email after registering, that I don't qualify.

My 60 years old thai wife, with underlying condition, get her first shot just the last week

[josephbloggs]

1 minute ago, internationalism said:

I hadn't got my yet, despite registering 5x, and several attempted registrations.

One registration project abandoned (thanks to dr anutin).

Another one got email after registering, that I don't qualify.

My 60 years old thai wife, with underlying condition, get her first shot just the last week

Not sure where you are based but keep trying, it is getting easier and easier.

 

Just curious on your comment:
 

The only reason the government will try to force vax on foreigners is for their money, not because 

they do care about your health or health in the general population.

 

As mentioned they are vaxxing everyone - foreigners and Thais alike - for free.  So where is the money grab?

[steven100]

1 minute ago, internationalism said:

I hadn't got my yet, despite registering 5x, and several attempted registrations.

One registration project abandoned (thanks to dr anutin).

Another one got email after registering, that I don't qualify.

My 60 years old thai wife, with underlying condition, get her first shot just the last week

it's free ,  and it always has been free by the Thai government for foreigner's.

Stop speaking bs and nonsense.   and if you don't qualify then there's a reason.   simple. 

[internationalism]

no, they are not vaccing everyone, because they are short of tens of millions doses. Hence huge waiting lines at bang sue and elsewhere, for hours.

And especially they  are not vaccing foreigners - deny registration, cancel appointments, blank point refuse at walk ins.

My statement is in the context of forcing foreigners to vaccinate. If and when this time comes, it won't be for health  reason. 

Yes, by not including foreigners into any vax program, they were pushed into buying moderna for 3.4k. 

Edited August 9, 2021 by internationalism

[josephbloggs]

8 minutes ago, internationalism said:

no, they are not vaccing everyone, because they are short of tens of millions doses. Hence huge waiting lines at bang sue and elsewhere, for hours.

And especially they  are not vaccing foreigners - deny registration, cancel appointments, blank point refuse at walk ins.

My statement is in the context of forcing foreigners to vaccinate. If and when this time comes, it won't be for health  reason. 

Yes, by not including foreigners into any vax program, they were pushed into buying moderna for 3.4k. 

No one was pushed in to any such thing.  Did you read any of my replies to you?  I have had my first AZ shot.  EVERY SINGLE OTHER FOREIGNER I KNOW has had their first shot.  They were all FREE.  

So please stop with your lies that they are not including foreigners in to any vax program.  They 100% are.  It is not hard.  I'll say it again - every foreigner I know has had their first shot (FOR FREE) and has an appointment for a second (also for free).  Read what we write and stop posting lies.

And yes, they are vaxxing a lot of people, so having a bit of a wait at a vaxxing station is a bit too much for you is it?

 

[internationalism]

you and your palls are very lucky - only 22% of thai are vaccinated with the first dose. 

Your example doesn't mean 100% foreigners are already vaccinated. The numbers are much lower, than for the general population. Say 5-10% of foreigners are jabbed.

I have registered with many programs, waiting for their contact, as instructed.

No, I am not that desperate to waste my time at bang sue or anywhere else. Waiting online, and trying to register with more programs, is good enough for me. I don't like to jump before others.

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, frantick said:

Also show me the fact checkers that don't use the words, "may", "should", "could", "might", "possibly", etc.

Yes, of course this must be compared against "the unshakeable certainty of the half-educated". 

(Quote is stolen, from another context.)

[josephbloggs]

7 minutes ago, internationalism said:

you and your palls are very lucky - only 22% of thai are vaccinated with the first dose. 

Your example doesn't mean 100% foreigners are already vaccinated. The numbers are much lower, than for the general population. Say 5-10% of foreigners are jabbed.

I have registered with many programs, waiting for their contact, as instructed.

No, I am not that desperate to waste my time at bang sue or anywhere else. Waiting online, and trying to register with more programs, is good enough for me. I don't like to jump before others.

Ok, you don't like to waste your time at a vaccine centre (where you could be vaccinated believe it or not), you don't want to "jump before others" (even though the registration system doesn't let you queue jump) but you just like to moan about it and think you are hard done by.........plus make up facts and tell people lies that foreigners have to pay when they don't.

[internationalism]

11 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Ok, you don't like to waste your time at a vaccine centre (where you could be vaccinated believe it or not), you don't want to "jump before others" (even though the registration system doesn't let you queue jump) but you just like to moan about it and think you are hard done by.........plus make up facts and tell people lies that foreigners have to pay when they don't.

I have said, that if and when foreigners will be forced to vaccinate it would be not for health reason, but for financial benefit for the government. Many have already payed. Many went abroad (as well as many thais) for the only purpose getting vax.

 

I don't complain of not being vaccinated. I am not desperate and can wait as long as needed for my time.

I have said, that there are very many foreigners (as well as thai), who are waiting for their first vax. The last one (means another 78% of targeted population) would get their first jab sometimes in October, maybe later. I am happy to wait that long and be an example, that not 100% foreigners are vaccinated (as you are trying to claim)

Edited August 9, 2021 by internationalism

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, frantick said:

Sorry, neither of those links addresses the comparison I made to actual vaccines. Show me where they work as good as the polio, smallpox, and measles vaccines. You can't. Also show me the fact checkers that don't use the words, "may", "should", "could", "might", "possibly", etc.

 

There's also a yearly "vaccine" for the flu that works half-as..d too; never had it.

 

How many "boosters" per year are you willing to endure for the rest of your so called life to prevent your 1.5% chance of dying? At some point your idea of living is just a banal existence.

 

AstraZeneca 70%

Chickenpox 92%

Moderna 94.1%

Pfizer 95%

Measles 97%

Polio 99%

"3 coronavirus vaccines so far seem to prevent COVID-19. Here's how their efficacy compares to vaccines for flu, measles, and more."

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-compares-other-vaccines-2020-11

 

Not for frantick who obviously doesn't' care about the truth or he would have found this info himself, but for others who might be wondering what the truth is.

Interesting to note that 70% efficacy means that you chance of contracting symptomatic disease is 70% less than if unvaccinated.

Edited August 9, 2021 by cdemundo
corrected spelling

[Tony125]

3 hours ago, frantick said:

Sorry, neither of those links addresses the comparison I made to actual vaccines. Show me where they work as good as the polio, smallpox, and measles vaccines. You can't. Also show me the fact checkers that don't use the words, "may", "should", "could", "might", "possibly", etc.

 

There's also a yearly "vaccine" for the flu that works half-as..d too; never had it.

 

How many "boosters" per year are you willing to endure for the rest of your so called life to prevent your 1.5% chance of dying? At some point your idea of living is just a banal existence.

 

 

3 hours ago, frantick said:

Sorry, neither of those links addresses the comparison I made to actual vaccines. Show me where they work as good as the polio, smallpox, and measles vaccines. You can't. Also show me the fact checkers that don't use the words, "may", "should", "could", "might", "possibly", etc.

 

There's also a yearly "vaccine" for the flu that works half-as..d too; never had it.

 

How many "boosters" per year are you willing to endure for the rest of your so called life to prevent your 1.5% chance of dying? At some point your idea of living is just a banal existence.

 

Top Chinese Virologist Known as 'Bat Woman' Warns New COVID Variants Will Keep Emerging

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/top-chinese-virologist-known-as-bat-woman-warns-new-covid-variants-will-keep-emerging/ar-AAN764j?li=BBnb7Kz

 

 

China to test entire population of Wuhan for COVID as virus reemerges

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-to-test-entire-population-of-wuhan-for-covid-as-virus-reemerges/ar-AAMTNc9?li=BBnb7Kz

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 9, 2021 by Tony125

[frantick]

3 hours ago, cdemundo said:

AstraZeneca 70%

Chickenpox 92%

Moderna 94.1%

Pfizer 95%

Measles 97%

Polio 99%

"3 coronavirus vaccines so far seem to prevent COVID-19. Here's how their efficacy compares to vaccines for flu, measles, and more."

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-compares-other-vaccines-2020-11

 

Not for frantick who obviously doesn't' care about the truth or he would have found this info himself, but for others who might be wondering what the truth is.

Interesting to note that 70% efficacy means that you chance of contracting symptomatic disease is 70% less than if unvaccinated.

Funny, never heard of thousands of breakthrough cases of polio, measles, or smallpox; other than the vaccine-induced breakout of polio. Yet here we are with thousands of COVID-19 vaccinated patients contracting the disease in Iceland, Israel, USA, UK, etc., etc. But you didn't provide that stat, did you?

 

But you stick with your stats. We'll compare them and talk again in another year and see where we are then. Who knows, I may have changed my mind and gotten vaccinated by then. But at this point, I'll stick with my 98% chances and await more data.

Edited August 9, 2021 by frantick
Grammar

[frantick]

3 hours ago, cdemundo said:

AstraZeneca 70%

Chickenpox 92%

Moderna 94.1%

Pfizer 95%

Measles 97%

Polio 99%

"3 coronavirus vaccines so far seem to prevent COVID-19. Here's how their efficacy compares to vaccines for flu, measles, and more."

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-compares-other-vaccines-2020-11

 

Not for frantick who obviously doesn't' care about the truth or he would have found this info himself, but for others who might be wondering what the truth is.

Interesting to note that 70% efficacy means that you chance of contracting symptomatic disease is 70% less than if unvaccinated.

And a fine example link; "Business Insider". Kind of telling isn't it?

 

Did you read the title of the article?:

 

3 coronavirus vaccines so far SEEM to prevent COVID-19.

 

[cdemundo]

56 minutes ago, frantick said:

Funny, never heard of thousands of breakthrough cases of polio, measles, or smallpox; other than the vaccine-induced breakout of polio. Yet here we are with thousands of COVID-19 vaccinated patients contracting the disease in Iceland, Israel, USA, UK, etc., etc. But you didn't provide that stat, did you?

 

But you stick with your stats. We'll compare them and talk again in another year and see where we are then. Who knows, I may have changed my mind and gotten vaccinated by then. But at this point, I'll stick with my 98% chances and await more data.

Change your argument every time someone counters.

Now it's breakthrough not efficacy/effectiveness.

As I said posted for those interested in the truth.

[cdemundo]

49 minutes ago, frantick said:

And a fine example link; "Business Insider". Kind of telling isn't it?

 

Did you read the title of the article?:

 

3 coronavirus vaccines so far SEEM to prevent COVID-19.

 

First link I found, could look for more, I haven't seen you quoting "Nature", if you even knew what that was.

Did you read my post? The "unshakeable certainty of the half-educated"?

Maybe giving you too much credit by half.

But in any event you were lying when you said the efficacy of the new vaccines is not comparable to the vaccines of the past.

[EVENKEEL]

US Military will soon be required to be covid vaccinated by 15 Sept.

[frantick]

10 hours ago, cdemundo said:

But in any event you were lying when you said the efficacy of the new vaccines is not comparable to the vaccines of the past.

Those percentages in that article were from 8 months ago. A lot has changed. We'll see.

Edited August 10, 2021 by frantick

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

If an anti-vaxer gives birth, explain to the mother that her beliefs are respected and notify her that her baby won't get vaccinations for Smallpox, Polio and Measles.

That's ridiculous IMO. Most people are not against vaccination per se, but some are not convinced that the new technology corona vaccine is safe.

Edited August 10, 2021 by thaibeachlovers

[KarenBravo]

30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That's ridiculous IMO. Most people are not against vaccination per se, but some are not convinced that the new technology corona vaccine is safe.

Even though millions upon millions have taken it with no adverse effects (yes, I know there have been some exceptions). And whilst they ponder whether the vaccines are safe, they continue to either die (look at all the anti-vaxers that got sick, died and advised everyone to take the vaccine), or they continue to spread the virus whilst they're thinking about it.

 

Trying to get these ignoramuses get vaccinated, they have used plenty of carrots. Now it's time to use the stick.

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, frantick said:

Those percentages in that article were from 8 months ago. A lot has changed. We'll see.

So in the future you will be right.

Hard to argue with that.

[frantick]

12 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

Even though millions upon millions have taken it with no adverse effects (yes, I know there have been some exceptions). And whilst they ponder whether the vaccines are safe, they continue to either die (look at all the anti-vaxers that got sick, died and advised everyone to take the vaccine), or they continue to spread the virus whilst they're thinking about it.

 

Trying to get these ignoramuses get vaccinated, they have used plenty of carrots. Now it's time to use the stick.

Millions have taken an experimental drug. I prefer to stay in the control group and wait for proof of long term benefits.

 

As far as the MSM articles of unvaccinated regretters on their death beds, I'm sure there are fewer, but similar occurrences of vaccinated on their death beds asking "why am I dying, I had the vaccine". But you'll never hear those stories.

[Tony125]

Moderna may be superior to Pfizer against Delta; breakthrough odds rise with time

https://www.yahoo.com/news/moderna-may-superior-pfizer-against-204309306.html

 

 

 

Inovio focused on launching global COVID-19 vaccine trial next month - CEO

https://www.yahoo.com/news/inovio-focused-launching-global-covid-213540643.html

[ThaiSanookGuy]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That's ridiculous IMO. Most people are not against vaccination per se, but some are not convinced that the new technology corona vaccine is safe.

 

of course they are not convinced because NOBODY KNOWS as no mRNA vaccine has been used as much as this one before.

All doctors and scientists are just liars when they tell that moderna and pfizer are safe, because they have no idea AT ALL.

 

Even less effective I still prefer to use a standard dead virus vaccine as AZ, and I do not care because even without vaccine I will never get coro$hit, I am not an idiot and I will wear a mask for the next 50 years at least (just as vaccinated people who still have a brain and know that the vaccine is not the solution to the problem, MEDICINE IS !)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ThaiSanookGuy]

1 hour ago, frantick said:

Millions have taken an experimental drug. I prefer to stay in the control group and wait for proof of long term benefits.

 

As far as the MSM articles of unvaccinated regretters on their death beds, I'm sure there are fewer, but similar occurrences of vaccinated on their death beds asking "why am I dying, I had the vaccine". But you'll never hear those stories.

 

 

THE ONLY TRUTH !!!

 

 

[placeholder]

55 minutes ago, ThaiSanookGuy said:

 

of course they are not convinced because NOBODY KNOWS as no mRNA vaccine has been used as much as this one before.

All doctors and scientists are just liars when they tell that moderna and pfizer are safe, because they have no idea AT ALL.

 

Even less effective I still prefer to use a standard dead virus vaccine as AZ, and I do not care because even without vaccine I will never get coro$hit, I am not an idiot and I will wear a mask for the next 50 years at least (just as vaccinated people who still have a brain and know that the vaccine is not the solution to the problem, MEDICINE IS !)

It's a pity that so few people have been vaccinated. Now if that number was in the the hundreds of millions and there were sophisticated public health agencies that could sift the data, that would be an entirely different matter.

And it's crazy  that covid vaccinations are still a thing with so many medicines proving nearly 100% effective...oh wait a minute...

[ThaiSmarterThanYou]

21 hours ago, placeholder said:

It's a pity that so few people have been vaccinated. Now if that number was in the the hundreds of millions and there were sophisticated public health agencies that could sift the data, that would be an entirely different matter.

And it's crazy  that covid vaccinations are still a thing with so many medicines proving nearly 100% effective...oh wait a minute...

 

 

And what if we find within few years many early cancers due to vaccine are found (of course mainstream media and idiots followers of the BS governments will disagree that they are cause by vaccine...) ? Are you going to say that it was a pity that so few people were vaccinated ?

 

 

 

[ThaiSmarterThanYou]

On 8/10/2021 at 12:43 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

That's ridiculous IMO. Most people are not against vaccination per se, but some are not convinced that the new technology corona vaccine is safe.

The only truth is that nobody knows if these new vaccine are safe, so better use AZ than moderna and pfizer.

I would even prefer to use a chinese vaccine. China will never kill his citizens who are used to dominate the world, you can be sure about it.

 

[Xin Loi]

I asked this same question to my local IO. At this point in time, they have no plans to force the injections.

I am sure that somewhere along the way, they will make it so, for extension of visas.

[BritManToo]

On 8/9/2021 at 3:20 PM, KarenBravo said:

I'm sure that other anti-vaxers use the same argument as you as they infect other people, or get sick. Unfortunately, anti-vaxers due to their stubbornness are prolonging this pandemic.

Not sure that's entirely true in Thailand.

Spent 4 hours at San Sai hospital yesterday (regular appointment), nobody offered me a vaccine when I was there because they don't have any. How can I be prolonging the pandemic when there is no vaccine, even if I wanted it?

[KarenBravo]

19 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Not sure that's entirely true in Thailand.

Spent 4 hours at San Sai hospital yesterday (regular appointment), nobody offered me a vaccine when I was there because they don't have any. How can I be prolonging the pandemic when there is no vaccine, even if I wanted it?

Have never met a Thai anti-vaxer.

This is what makes me so mad. USA has plenty of vaccines, but 30% of the population have no intention of taking any, thereby endangering the whole effort to eradicate the virus.

Meanwhile, you have other countries, including Thailand where the general population want to be vaccinated, but there's no vaccine available.

I have a feeling that the USA is going to be the very last country to overcome this virus.

 

In the words of the eminently quotable Winston Churchill:-

 

"The USA always does the right thing............after trying everything else first".