Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[huangnon]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It says quite explicitly that testing was done in parallel. So your claim that animal testing wasn't done is false.

Um, on mice. The standard testing on animals procedure starts on mice, and works up to simian specimens more closely resembling human DNA, Rhesus monkeys, Chimpanzees, etc. Unfortunately for them.

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7 minutes ago, huangnon said:

Um, on mice. The standard testing on animals procedure starts on mice, and works up to simian specimens more closely resembling human DNA, Rhesus monkeys, Chimpanzees, etc. Unfortunately for them.

Did it say it stopped at mice? Did you even bother to check if the testing stopped with mice? Because if you had bothered, it would have been really easy to find this:

 

PFIZER AND BIONTECH ANNOUNCE DATA FROM PRECLINICAL STUDIES OF MRNA-BASED VACCINE CANDIDATE AGAINST COVID-19

Wednesday, September 09, 2020 - 07:45am

Immunization of non-human primates (rhesus macaques) with BNT162b2, a nucleoside-modified messenger RNA (modRNA) candidate that expresses the SARS-CoV-2 spike glycoprotein, resulted in strong anti-viral effects against an infectious SARS-CoV-2 challenge

BNT162b2 immunization prevented lung infection in 100% of the SARS-CoV-2 challenged rhesus macaques, with no viral RNA detected in the lower respiratory tract of immunized and challenged animals. The BNT162b2 vaccination also cleared the nose of detectable viral RNA in 100% of the SARS-CoV-2 challenged rhesus macaques within 3 days after the infection

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-data-preclinical-studies-mrna

 

I suppose there is something perversely admirable in your persistence despite that fact that your claims and insinuations keep on getting shot down.

 

[cdemundo]

2 hours ago, huangnon said:

Um, on mice. The standard testing on animals procedure starts on mice, and works up to simian specimens more closely resembling human DNA, Rhesus monkeys, Chimpanzees, etc. Unfortunately for them.

Beside the point as we speak.

Why?, because the vaccines have been given to millions of human subjects.

Was there ever a clinical trial with even 100,000 subjects?

More data than any drug or medication ever tested I would guess.

Point is, talking about what was done or not done in the trials is pointless.

The information from actual real world use shows whether they are safe and effective.

If you look at all vaccines world wide it is more than a billion.

 

Time for you to fall back on "Yeah but who knows what will happen to vaccine recipients in 20 years?"

 

 

[mfd101]

Just to cheer everyone up. From today's 'Australian' (in the context of the leader of the Australian Labor Party saying that people should be paid $300 as a reward for getting vaccinated):

 

 

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28 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Beside the point as we speak.

Why?, because the vaccines have been given to millions of human subjects.

Was there ever a clinical trial with even 100,000 subjects?

More data than any drug or medication ever tested I would guess.

Point is, talking about what was done or not done in the trials is pointless.

The information from actual real world use shows whether they are safe and effective.

If you look at all vaccines world wide it is more than a billion.

 

Time for you to fall back on "Yeah but who knows what will happen to vaccine recipients in 20 years?"

 

 

Anyway, the animal trials were done. Just concurrently with phase 2 trials on humans.

[Tony125]

On 8/5/2021 at 7:04 AM, EVENKEEL said:

Yet the FDA still has not approved any of the currently available COVID vaccines for use.

You would think that if a non FDA approved drug is being given to millions they would do a meticulous accounting of deaths directly related to taking the vaccine.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/why-the-fda-hasnt-approved-a-covid-shot-yet-when-millions-are-vaccinated/ar-AAMQIaZ?ocid=uxbndlbing

 

 

Fauci hopes Pfizer vaccine will get full FDA approval in weeks

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fauci-hopes-pfizer-vaccine-full-002400130.html

 

 

Fact check: 6 of the most persistent misconceptions about COVID-19 vaccines

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fact-check-6-of-the-most-persistent-misconceptions-about-covid-19-vaccines/ar-AAMZekU

[thairastawoman]

2 hours ago, cdemundo said:

Beside the point as we speak.

Why?, because the vaccines have been given to millions of human subjects.

Was there ever a clinical trial with even 100,000 subjects?

More data than any drug or medication ever tested I would guess.

Point is, talking about what was done or not done in the trials is pointless.

The information from actual real world use shows whether they are safe and effective.

If you look at all vaccines world wide it is more than a billion.

 

Time for you to fall back on "Yeah but who knows what will happen to vaccine recipients in 20 years?"

 

 

 

do you at least know how many people died within 48 hours of vaccination ?

more than 10000 in Europe ! But of course, there is no evidence that they died because of vaccine...

more than 6000 in USA...

http://web.archive.org/web/20210802085407/https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20210802085347/https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352837543_Analysis_of_COVID-19_vaccine_death_reports_from_the_Vaccine_Adverse_Events_Reporting_System_VAERS_Database_Interim_Results_and_Analysis

 

this world is amazing !

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by thairastawoman

[gk10012001]

The only type of vaccine at the moment I would willingly accept is the inactivated virus types, which used to be the norm.  There are several in the same stage of emergency approval as the Messenger RNA types.  As far as what will be required... don't know.  If it is, then they should update the current list of Elephantitis, Syphilis and one or two others that are still on the immigration approval list.  Unless Thailand mandates all Thai citizens get vaccinated, it would look very bad to require non Thais to get it.  Not saying that it is not impossible.  heck it looks like the USA is strongly considering incoming travelers be vaccinated. Not required yet but under serious consideration apparently

[gk10012001]

On 7/26/2021 at 11:49 AM, robblok said:

I hope Darwin takes care of the problem of anti vaxers.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-who-made-fun-vaccination-efforts-social-media-dies-covid-n1274922

 

And sometimes Darwin does.

 

What is wrong with Darwin approach?  Maybe the world population is getting too weak and some diseases to cull out the weak is better in the long run as it makes the human race stronger?

[55Jay]

I'm still on the sidelines watching this unfold, both intentionally and unintentionally, while minding COVID precautions, masks, etc.  

 

The intentional pause was from the very start as Trump talked out of his butthole (as usual) about Project "Warp Speed".   LOL, no thanks. 

 

Unintentional is because I'm not in a high priority age group or qualifying medical condition category.   Did, however, get registered on the new ExpatVac site on 3rd August, but no vaccination appointment email yet.  Suspect I won't get one at all, and that's ok, let the higher priority folks go first. 

 

Upside is by the time I do qualify to get one, there will be even more data collected for the medical science community to evaluate, and that resonates favorably with me.  I could wind up getting an improved, 2.0 version of the vaccine for Variant Echo or Foxtrot by then, who knows. 

[driver52]

1 hour ago, thairastawoman said:

 

do you at least know how many people died within 48 hours of vaccination ?

more than 10000 in Europe ! But of course, there is no evidence that they died because of vaccine...

 

this world is amazing !

 

blimey a woman who can think for themselves! maybe there is a future for the world after all lol

[driver52]

1 hour ago, gk10012001 said:

Maybe the world population is getting too weak and some diseases to cull out the weak is better

there is also a theory that the vaccine is being used to cull the weak! I am certainly too intelligent to be vaccinated lmao

[thailandbeachisland]

2 hours ago, thairastawoman said:

 

do you at least know how many people died within 48 hours of vaccination ?

more than 10000 in Europe ! But of course, there is no evidence that they died because of vaccine...

more than 6000 in USA...

http://web.archive.org/web/20210802085407/https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20210802085347/https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352837543_Analysis_of_COVID-19_vaccine_death_reports_from_the_Vaccine_Adverse_Events_Reporting_System_VAERS_Database_Interim_Results_and_Analysis

 

this world is amazing !

 

 

I am still wondering why the truth is not posted anywhere ?

do you know any mainstream media talking about the deaths somewhere in the world ?

 

[55Jay]

16 minutes ago, driver52 said:

there is also a theory that the vaccine is being used to cull the weak! I am certainly too intelligent to be vaccinated lmao

There's also one that says COVID itself, was released to do that.

 

There's a "theory" out there for everyone, many of which conflict with others and cancel themselves out.  It's only limited by the imagination of people, many of which appear to be wading in the shallow end of the gene pool to begin with.

Edited August 6, 2021 by 55Jay

[thailandbeachisland]

2 hours ago, thairastawoman said:

 

do you at least know how many people died within 48 hours of vaccination ?

more than 10000 in Europe ! But of course, there is no evidence that they died because of vaccine...

more than 6000 in USA...

http://web.archive.org/web/20210802085407/https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20210802085347/https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352837543_Analysis_of_COVID-19_vaccine_death_reports_from_the_Vaccine_Adverse_Events_Reporting_System_VAERS_Database_Interim_Results_and_Analysis

 

this world is amazing !

 

 

1 minute ago, 55Jay said:

There's also one that says COVID itself, was released to do that.

 

There's a "theory" out there for everyone, many of which conflict and cancel themselves out with others.  They are limited only by the imagination of people, many of which appear to be wading in the shallow end of the gene pool themselves.  

 

and is posted above ? is it theory also ? Why people like to live a cattle life ?1

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, thailandbeachisland said:

2 hours ago, thairastawoman said:

 

do you at least know how many people died within 48 hours of vaccination ?

more than 10000 in Europe ! But of course, there is no evidence that they died because of vaccine...

more than 6000 in USA...

http://web.archive.org/web/20210802085407/https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20210802085347/https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352837543_Analysis_of_COVID-19_vaccine_death_reports_from_the_Vaccine_Adverse_Events_Reporting_System_VAERS_Database_Interim_Results_and_Analysis

 

this world is amazing !

 

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I am still wondering why the truth is not posted anywhere ?

do you know any mainstream media talking about the deaths somewhere in the world ?

 

 

Ecochamber tosh.....   deaths as a direct result of taking the vaccine in the EU are nowhere near those numbers... to suggest that there are 10,000 deaths in Europe within 48 hours of taking a vaccine is utterly preposterous. 

 

It’s amusing that the article which is linked to first has to defend itself because the accuracy of data on VAERS has been brought into question by health professionals - anyone (any member of public) can add a report, so any nut-job can....

 

Additionally, the reports also highlight that the data is from ‘early on’ in the vaccination program where those at ‘high risk’ age / co-morbidity were vaccinated first.

 

In the EU 4.65 milloin people die every year of natural causes, that is 12,700 per day, this is also ‘conveniently' over looked in such reports which do not 

 

 

 

 

[driver52]

8 minutes ago, thailandbeachisland said:

is it theory also ? Why people like to live a cattle life ?

cos they're dumb as dumb can be! The FDA and the media has spent 50 years ruining their bodies with a disgusting diet and useless drugs! open your mind comrade! ????

[55Jay]

4 minutes ago, thailandbeachisland said:

 

 

and is posted above ? is it theory also ? Why people like to live a cattle life ?1

In general, people are easy to wind up and get emotional, at which point they don't see clearly and often make poor decisions, or simply none at all and simply follow the herd. 

 

To Driver52: You can't put a political label on that ^.  Both exploit weakness of the masses in this regard.  It's how Trump got elected.  I don't need "luck".  Hell, I live in Thailand so I have the luxury of being able to not give a s**t about what's happening on the other side of the planet.

 

At any rate, I'm willing to get vaccinated, eventually, whenever my number comes up, but as I said, the longer that takes = more data for the medical community to study.  I could wind up with a better vaccine in the future.  Or an emerging narrative that vaccines aren't necessarily required, without admitting out-loud that perhaps, they never were.

[55Jay]

16 minutes ago, driver52 said:

PS why do you think the US and the west in general is increasingly full of obese and useless citizens? if that ain't an indication of a 'gene pool failure' I really don't know what is!? 

I have no quarrel with that.  Happening here too. 

 

Feared a slight mention of Trump would derail this topic, even though that was part of my reasoning that is on topic.  Anyway, see where this is going, so I'm going to bounce out of any further exchange along political/conspiracy lines lest a Mod come along and shut 'er down.  Cheers, see you around campus.....

[driver52]

15 minutes ago, 55Jay said:

without admitting out-loud that perhaps, they never were.

this bro! us humans are much stronger than everyone gives us credit for!

yup soz for the tangential move re Trump lol BUT it serves a purpose to highlight how all 'us chimps' are ruled by the rich, the powerful, the media.........we just can't think critically for ourselves anymore, the education system, everything tis fecked! And that's why I'm here looking to escape from the West for one last time....

Peace out and have fun!

[Eibot]

This is just straight up a sad post...

[kynikoi]

You really do not want covid in this country. If medical treatment needed you will be sent to hospital jail and charged 4-800k.

[placnx]

3 hours ago, gk10012001 said:

The only type of vaccine at the moment I would willingly accept is the inactivated virus types, which used to be the norm.  There are several in the same stage of emergency approval as the Messenger RNA types.  As far as what will be required... don't know.  If it is, then they should update the current list of Elephantitis, Syphilis and one or two others that are still on the immigration approval list.  Unless Thailand mandates all Thai citizens get vaccinated, it would look very bad to require non Thais to get it.  Not saying that it is not impossible.  heck it looks like the USA is strongly considering incoming travelers be vaccinated. Not required yet but under serious consideration apparently

You don't seem to know much about medicine. Since when are there vaccines for Elephatitis, i.e. Elephantiasis, and Syphilis?

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, thairastawoman said:

 

do you at least know how many people died within 48 hours of vaccination ?

more than 10000 in Europe ! But of course, there is no evidence that they died because of vaccine...

more than 6000 in USA...

http://web.archive.org/web/20210802085407/https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20210802085347/https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352837543_Analysis_of_COVID-19_vaccine_death_reports_from_the_Vaccine_Adverse_Events_Reporting_System_VAERS_Database_Interim_Results_and_Analysis

 

this world is amazing !

 

The last 2 links are to the same study and that study has apparently not been published in a peer-reviewed journal. This is the kind of junk science touted by denialist websites that will throw any gunk it can find at the vaccines and hope it will stick. 

 And I have found no evidence that 10,000 people in Europe died within 48 hours of being vaccinated. Got a link for that particular claim? Or for the more than 6000 in the USA?

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, driver52 said:

there is also a theory that the vaccine is being used to cull the weak! I am certainly too intelligent to be vaccinated lmao

That's a popular thought among weak people.

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

2 hours ago, driver52 said:

there is also a theory that the vaccine is being used to cull the weak! I am certainly too intelligent to be vaccinated lmao

That's a popular thought among weak people.

 

Well, they sure ate being used to cull the weak in a manner - those weak of mind, i.e.  the stupid who don’t know they are stupid & still think they can think for themselves !!!! 

 

Anti-vaxx ppl are generally stupid ppl and won’t take the vaccine - hence they are at higher risk of illness or worse from

Covid…. 
 

 

[Tony125]

4 hours ago, gk10012001 said:

The only type of vaccine at the moment I would willingly accept is the inactivated virus types, which used to be the norm.  There are several in the same stage of emergency approval as the Messenger RNA types.  As far as what will be required... don't know.  If it is, then they should update the current list of Elephantitis, Syphilis and one or two others that are still on the immigration approval list.  Unless Thailand mandates all Thai citizens get vaccinated, it would look very bad to require non Thais to get it.  Not saying that it is not impossible.  heck it looks like the USA is strongly considering incoming travelers be vaccinated. Not required yet but under serious consideration apparently

US may require visiting foreign nationals to be fully vaccinated

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/566588-us-may-require-visiting-foreign-nationals-to-be

 

For your information there is no vaccine for Sphillis they simply treat you with an anti-biotic. It's not a virus but a bacteria.

Elephantitis is neither a virus or bacteria but caused by round worms in infected mosqitos that bite you. Can be cured with various chemicals that kill the parasites.

 

Sinovac/Sinopharm are inactivated virus vaccines so you should be happy to get a shot of them even though it's not very effective  for the delta variant

Edited August 6, 2021 by Tony125

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2 hours ago, driver52 said:

blimey a woman who can think for themselves! maybe there is a future for the world after all lol

Thanks for sharing with us your low opinion of women in general. And it's significant that it's a woman who agrees with you that you judge as being able to think for herself. So to be an independent thinker all one has to do is agree with you. That should save those all independent thinkers a lot of effort. All they have to do is subscribe to your thoughts and not bother thinking for themselves at all.

[driver52]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Good luck then.., you don’t need a rabies vaccination if bitten by a dog, you won’t need a tetanus vaccine if cut by a dirty object, you never needed a measles vaccine… etc…

I acknowledge some 'proper vaccines' are useful.....this new stuff is not a 'vaccine' in the traditional sense! Latest NHS figures show that 35% of hospitalized have had 2 vaccines! It doesn't work! OOh yeah but just think how ill you would have been 'without the vaccine', what BS!

Talking of stupidity, Einstein said 'stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results!'

Enjoy your 12th vaccine and still not being protected from a coronavirus that mutates all the time! Just like flu! DURRRR!!! ????

[richard_smith237]

7 minutes ago, driver52 said:

I acknowledge some 'proper vaccines' are useful.....this new stuff is not a 'vaccine' in the traditional sense! Latest NHS figures show that 35% of hospitalized have had 2 vaccines! It doesn't work! OOh yeah but just think how ill you would have been 'without the vaccine', what BS!

Talking of stupidity, Einstein said 'stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results!'

Enjoy your 12th vaccine and still not being protected from a coronavirus that mutates all the time! Just like flu! DURRRR!!! ????

You honestly believe that those who have had the vaccine and those who haven’t face the same risk of contracting Covid-19 when exposed to SARS-CoV-2 ??? 
 

 

No point in any further discussion.