Why should I inject a vaccine that could kill me when I have no risk to be sick with covid ? A Thai boy told me, what can I reply him to push for vaccination ?

[billd766]

On 7/30/2021 at 1:02 PM, Kevin Taylor said:

The kid is right, not sure where the age cutoff is but there is one  where the vaccine is more dangerous to the young than covid. We are supposed to be the responsible adults here. If everyone in danger are vaccinated that's it, they have protection, the kid already has protection via a kids immune system. Don't force children to take unnecessary risks so old people can feel safer.

You could try to explain that if the kid gets the vaccine jab, his grandparents and parents might be around for a few more years, and if he doesn't they might get Covid and die earlier.

[j.a.farang001]

On 7/28/2021 at 3:44 PM, Artisi said:

how many injections are allowed each month????

No more than once per 24 hrs and on alternate arms.

[driver52]

On 7/28/2021 at 7:28 AM, samtab said:

Can I ask you what I can reply him to push for vaccination please ?

do you understand what ADE is?

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

belief that vaccines can kill not save lives = lost cause

tell him getting on his moped gives thousand times more chance of dying…….then walk away

[mjnaus]

On 7/29/2021 at 8:28 AM, salsajapan said:

In this world people have such a weird way of thinking... if I get covid I will consider myself as an idiot, and everybody should think exactly the same way, because this is what I would be !

 

You can be considered an "idiot" by saying dumb stuff as well... Just saying.

[VocalNeal]

Why would I get vaccinated to stop me getting severe Covid symptoms? 

Let me guess ? To stop me getting severe symptoms.

 

The way i see it is that eventually everyone on the planet will get Covid in one form or another. But i haven't seen any reports that people who get vaccinated catch Covid from the vaccination. Just the same as once I was vaccinated against yellow fever and more recently against pneumonia's. Haven't had either of those.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but most antivaxxers seem to be from the US who don't trust anything done for them by the government. Except spend their tax dollars on multimillion dollar weapons systems which are of no use to the general population. 

 

If you don't want to get vaccinated and take your chances I guess that is OK. Some like Las Vegas but I've never been there.  

[driver52]

18 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

If you don't want to get vaccinated and take your chances I guess that is OK.

I don't want to take my chances with ADE but it appears many do lol I'll take my chances with my immune system and leave clown world to the others ????

[Ryan754326]

On 7/28/2021 at 3:09 AM, Phoenix Rising said:

Except for the fact that even asymptomatic persons can infect others.

And apparently, so can vaccinated people. 

[Ryan754326]

50 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but most antivaxxers seem to be from the US 

There are anti-vaxxers all over the world, including in Thailand. The media just focuses on the American ones because it’s become a political talking point. 
 

[VocalNeal]

12 minutes ago, Ryan754326 said:

And apparently, so can vaccinated people. 

Everybody who has it or who has had it, as far as I know. 

[VocalNeal]

6 minutes ago, Ryan754326 said:

There are anti-vaxxers all over the world, including in Thailand. The media just focuses on the American ones because it’s become a political talking point. 
 

I'd be interested in the numbers from countries with universal health care. Most children get vaccinated against most things that will harm them as a matter of course. 

 

Other stuff from travel clinics depending on where they are going.

[Ryan754326]

25 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

I'd be interested in the numbers from countries with universal health care. Most children get vaccinated against most things that will harm them as a matter of course. 

 

Other stuff from travel clinics depending on where they are going.

Most anti-vaxxers have had all of the usual childhood vaccines too. Their issue with these ones is that they are so new, are only approved under emergency circumstances, and that the pharma companies who manufacture them are not currently liable for any damages. Plus people just don’t like being told what to do. 

To be clear, I’m not an anti-vaxxer. I’ve had the Jab, I think it’s safe, and I would tell others that I think they should get it, but I’m not in favor of forcing it on anyone. 
 

The statistics show that your chances of having a serious reaction or dying after getting the vaccine is very low, but there have been enough documented cases to cause concern for a lot of people. If they are coerced into getting the shot, and happen to be one of the unlucky few who suffers a bad reaction or dies, their family will understandably be very upset. If governments are going to make these jabs mandatory, then people expect to have some recourse if someone they love dies as a result. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Ryan754326 said:

There are anti-vaxxers all over the world, including in Thailand. The media just focuses on the American ones because it’s become a political talking point. 
 

It's been irrationally politicized in other countries as well such as Brazil.

An interesting thing I've noticed is obvious Russian state propaganda supporting American right wing anti-vax agendas targeted at American audiences.

[vinci]

are you sure it was a thai boy

[metisdead]

Some troll posts with false and misleading information have been removed as well as the replies. 

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It's been irrationally politicized in other countries as well such as Brazil.

An interesting thing I've noticed is obvious Russian state propaganda supporting American right wing anti-vax agendas targeted at American audiences.

The Chinese media were doing it as well.

Edited August 16, 2021 by placeholder

[watthong]

There are "vaxxers,"
then "anti-vaxxers..."
and then there "I'm not anti-vaxxer BUT..." How do you call these? V-RINOS?

[l4ml4m]

On 7/29/2021 at 1:28 PM, salsajapan said:

 

Are you sure that the real real stupid ones are the ones who are not able to protect from a virus by just wearing a mask and washing hands ?

 

Why people who do not get it are considered as exceptions ? In a country of 70 millions people, when only 7 millions people get covid, who are the idiots ? the ones who got it or the 63 millions who didn't get it ?

 

In this world people have such a weird way of thinking... if I get covid I will consider myself as an idiot, and everybody should think exactly the same way, because this is what I would be !

 

 

 

 

 

some good points here

[placeholder]

On 8/15/2021 at 7:19 AM, salsajapan said:

So smart boy, a lot smarter than 40000 foreigners queuing to get infected by a jab...

 

You can't be infected by something that isn't alive.

[placeholder]

On 7/29/2021 at 2:28 AM, salsajapan said:

 

Are you sure that the real real stupid ones are the ones who are not able to protect from a virus by just wearing a mask and washing hands ?

 

Why people who do not get it are considered as exceptions ? In a country of 70 millions people, when only 7 millions people get covid, who are the idiots ? the ones who got it or the 63 millions who didn't get it ?

 

In this world people have such a weird way of thinking... if I get covid I will consider myself as an idiot, and everybody should think exactly the same way, because this is what I would be !

And playing Russian Roulette makes a lot of sense, too? 

 

[placeholder]

8 minutes ago, l4ml4m said:

 

some good points here

Maybe to those who are selfish pieces of ####. Not so much to those who are concerned for not only those who will die or be permanently impaired by covid, but those who can't get medical treatment because the hospitals are overflowing with covid patients.

[l4ml4m]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Maybe to those who are selfish pieces of ####. Not so much to those who are concerned for not only those who will die or be permanently impaired by covid, but those who can't get medical treatment because the hospitals are overflowing with covid patients.

 

people die everyday for so many reasons... why making a drama for any of them ?! it's ridiculous !

 

 

[Sudarut]

On 7/28/2021 at 1:20 PM, fishtank said:

You can't fix stupid.

True, but you can make stupid wear a nappy on his face and beg to be injected with a poison. 

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/publications/public-health-act-2016-wa-instrument-of-authorisation-authorisation-supply-or-administer-poison-sars-cov-2-covid-19-vaccine-australian-defence-force-no2-2021

[placeholder]

37 minutes ago, l4ml4m said:

 

people die everyday for so many reasons... why making a drama for any of them ?! it's ridiculous !

 

 

So public health is all about drama? Keep digging yourself in deeper.

[placeholder]

13 minutes ago, Sudarut said:

True, but you can make stupid wear a nappy on his face and beg to be injected with a poison. 

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/publications/public-health-act-2016-wa-instrument-of-authorisation-authorisation-supply-or-administer-poison-sars-cov-2-covid-19-vaccine-australian-defence-force-no2-2021

From what garbage pile of a website did you acquire this specious nugget? It took me less than a minute to establish that what you believe this says is nonsense. 

 

Fact Check-Western Australian legislation uses ‘poison’ as a catch-all legal term; it is not implying something sinister

“Poison is a generic term that includes what the general public understands to be a poison, but extends to over-the-counter medicines and prescription medicines,” Dr. Marco Rizzi, a specialist in medical law at the University of Western Australia, previously told Reuters (here).

It is therefore a catch-all term for substances that interact with physiological functions of the body (here) – from over-the-counter medications like paracetamol (schedule two) to banned substances like heroin (schedule nine).

COVID-19 vaccines are schedule four poisons (here), meaning they are prescription-only medicines that should be administered only by trained professionals; you cannot buy a vaccine at a local shop and inject yourself.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check-covid-australia/fact-check-western-australian-legislation-uses-poison-as-a-catch-all-legal-term-it-is-not-implying-something-sinister-idUSL1N2OP1LD

 

Fact Check-Australian law categorises all medicines under various sub-sections of ‘poison’ – this is a legal definition and does not mean medicines are harmful

Social media accounts have used screenshots of the authorisation to suggest COVID-19 vaccines are harmful (here and here), with one user writing: “A bit of validation if you’ve been called a ‘conspiracy theorist’ for saying the vax is poison, that’s what the WA state government is calling it...” (here).

However, poison can also refer to normal medicines in Australian law. Legal documents often use and define words with specific, contextual meanings.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check-covid-australia/fact-check-western-australian-legislation-uses-poison-as-a-catch-all-legal-term-it-is-not-implying-something-sinister-idUSL1N2OP1LD

 

[bbko]

Ask him to show you how many people are actually dying from the vaccine. Then show him the people on their deathbed saying they wish they'd gotten the vaccine when they had the chance.

[Sudarut]

15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

From what garbage pile of a website did you acquire this specious nugget? It took me less than a minute to establish that what you believe this says is nonsense. 

 

Fact Check-Western Australian legislation uses ‘poison’ as a catch-all legal term; it is not implying something sinister

“Poison is a generic term that includes what the general public understands to be a poison, but extends to over-the-counter medicines and prescription medicines,” Dr. Marco Rizzi, a specialist in medical law at the University of Western Australia, previously told Reuters (here).

It is therefore a catch-all term for substances that interact with physiological functions of the body (here) – from over-the-counter medications like paracetamol (schedule two) to banned substances like heroin (schedule nine).

COVID-19 vaccines are schedule four poisons (here), meaning they are prescription-only medicines that should be administered only by trained professionals; you cannot buy a vaccine at a local shop and inject yourself.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check-covid-australia/fact-check-western-australian-legislation-uses-poison-as-a-catch-all-legal-term-it-is-not-implying-something-sinister-idUSL1N2OP1LD

 

Fact Check-Australian law categorises all medicines under various sub-sections of ‘poison’ – this is a legal definition and does not mean medicines are harmful

Social media accounts have used screenshots of the authorisation to suggest COVID-19 vaccines are harmful (here and here), with one user writing: “A bit of validation if you’ve been called a ‘conspiracy theorist’ for saying the vax is poison, that’s what the WA state government is calling it...” (here).

However, poison can also refer to normal medicines in Australian law. Legal documents often use and define words with specific, contextual meanings.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check-covid-australia/fact-check-western-australian-legislation-uses-poison-as-a-catch-all-legal-term-it-is-not-implying-something-sinister-idUSL1N2OP1LD

 

I see the increased intake of CO2 over the last 18 months have taken their toll, if you actually researched what you blindly copy and pasted you would realize this is the first vaccine to be put in the poison category, because they class a poison as as something that interacts with the physiological functions of the body.  Physiological functions of the body are:

The basic processes of life include organization, metabolism, responsiveness, movements, and reproduction. In humans,

you should do some research instead of parroting some, and i quote you, "garbage pile of a website" 

[placeholder]

23 minutes ago, Sudarut said:

I see the increased intake of CO2 over the last 18 months have taken their toll, if you actually researched what you blindly copy and pasted you would realize this is the first vaccine to be put in the poison category, because they class a poison as as something that interacts with the physiological functions of the body.  Physiological functions of the body are:

The basic processes of life include organization, metabolism, responsiveness, movements, and reproduction. In humans,

you should do some research instead of parroting some, and i quote you, "garbage pile of a website" 

Ya sure about that? I think the govt. of Western Australia disagrees with you:

Administering vaccines

"Vaccines are prescription only (Schedule 4) medicines. This means they generally require a doctor’s prescription and must be dispensed by a pharmacist."

https://ww2.health.wa.gov.au/Articles/U_Z/Vaccines

Here are some vaccines included in that same document that contains the Covid vaccine

STANDARD FOR THE UNIFORM SCHEDULING OF MEDICINES AND POISONS

VACCINES

Schedule 4

VACCINES – PLASMID DNA
cross reference: PLASMID DNA (rE. coli DH5α pINGhT)

Schedule 4

VACCINIA VIRUS VACCINE

Schedule 4

VARICELLA VACCINE

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2021L00650

 

Among the other dangerous substances included as a schedule 4 poison is peppermint oil. To think what a terrible risk I was running as a child when I ate candy canes. Why is it that you willfully misconstrue what "poison" means in this context?

"Fact Check-Australian law categorises all medicines under various sub-sections of ‘poison’ – this is a legal definition and does not mean medicines are harmful"

 

What medicine is there that doesn't interact with the physiological functions of the body? How do you think medicines work? Do you believe that they're all placebos? 

 

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Sudarut said:

I see the increased intake of CO2 over the last 18 months have taken their toll, if you actually researched what you blindly copy and pasted you would realize this is the first vaccine to be put in the poison category, because they class a poison as as something that interacts with the physiological functions of the body.  Physiological functions of the body are:

The basic processes of life include organization, metabolism, responsiveness, movements, and reproduction. In humans,

you should do some research instead of parroting some, and i quote you, "garbage pile of a website" 

This is from the official australian govt document that authorises the use of the covid vaccine as a schedule 4 poison:

Documents

 

Public Health Act 2016 (WA) – Instrument of Authorisation – Authorisation to Supply or Administer a Poison [SARS-COV-2 (COVID-19) VACCINE – Australian Defence Force] (No.2) 2021

PDF (4.7MB)

https://www.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-05/210305-Authorisation-to-supply-administer-COVID-vaccine-No2-Aus-Defence-Force.pdf

 

[samtab]

On 8/17/2021 at 12:33 AM, bbko said:

Ask him to show you how many people are actually dying from the vaccine. Then show him the people on their deathbed saying they wish they'd gotten the vaccine when they had the chance.

and do not show how many hundreds millions recovered from the virus...