Rumours of coup in Thailand is fake news: Thai police

[metisdead]

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[Thunglom]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Opinions are based on perception influenced by personal circumstances

Absolutely not - that is how prejudices are born. It just shows how you have relied on a limited viewpoint rather than rally looking into the subject.

Edited August 3, 2021 by Thunglom

[JensenZ]

4 hours ago, Thunglom said:

Possibly the most facile assessment of that coup. I was here for both the last coups and saw the damage they did to both the economy and democracy. 

Was there really any damage to democracy? What democracy did they damage? PMs have always served at the pleasure of military commanders since 1932. PM's are only puppets to fool the international community and Thai people into thinking Thailand is a democracy. The ruse works really well.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Was there really any damage to democracy? What democracy did they damage? PMs have always served at the pleasure of military commanders since 1932. PM's are only puppets to fool the international community and Thai people into thinking Thailand is a democracy. The ruse works really well.

There was actually some hope for democracy during Thaksin's days.  For all his many faults he was democratically elected and served over five years, a long time by Thai PM standards.  In fact, I think the only PM's who have served longer were all put in place by the military.

[JensenZ]

12 minutes ago, heybruce said:

There was actually some hope for democracy during Thaksin's days.  For all his many faults he was democratically elected and served over five years, a long time by Thai PM standards.  In fact, I think the only PM's who have served longer were all put in place by the military.

 Unless the military stranglehold is broken, there can never be democracy. It needs to start there. The military have always been in control, either from the shadows or directly during coups. The military have been in control for 89 years and I can't see that changing.

[Damrongsak]

On 8/2/2021 at 12:35 PM, LarryLEB said:

According to various sources on the Internet, there have been 18 coups d'etat in Thailand since 1932, 13 of them successful.  

 

2021 minus 1932 gives 89 years.  Divide by 18 gives just under 5 years.  So, it seems that, historically, coups are on average 5 years apart.  

 

Hmmm.....

Maybe it's like the Chinese zodiac "Year of the (snake, monkey, whatever...).  But Thailand added leap years, "Year of the Coup".  A chicken with it's head cut off, running in circles. 

Edited August 3, 2021 by Damrongsak

[candide]

6 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Was there really any damage to democracy? What democracy did they damage? PMs have always served at the pleasure of military commanders since 1932. PM's are only puppets to fool the international community and Thai people into thinking Thailand is a democracy. The ruse works really well.

And the ones who didn't have been ousted by military coups!

[candide]

3 hours ago, JensenZ said:

 Unless the military stranglehold is broken, there can never be democracy. It needs to start there. The military have always been in control, either from the shadows or directly during coups. The military have been in control for 89 years and I can't see that changing.

The military is just the armed branch of a broader network, although it is de facto a very powerfully one. The network also includes a political branch, an activist branch, a business branch, an administrative branch, and a judiciary branch..... Well, understandably, I'm not going to mention all of it.

Edited August 3, 2021 by candide

[Damrongsak]

11 minutes ago, candide said:

The military is just the armed branch of a broader network, although it is de facto a very powerfully one. The network also includes a political branch, an activist branch, a business branch, an administrative branch, and a judiciary branch..... Well, understandably, I'm not going to mention all of it.

Let's face it, they've had a couple hundred years+ at least to tune and perfect this system, with precedents going back nearly 800 years. Though the last 90 years has been a roller coaster ride. 

[Thunglom]

6 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Was there really any damage to democracy? What democracy did they damage? PMs have always served at the pleasure of military commanders since 1932. PM's are only puppets to fool the international community and Thai people into thinking Thailand is a democracy. The ruse works really well.

Seriously - you really don't know??

 

 

6 minutes ago, Damrongsak said:

Let's face it, they've had a couple hundred years+ at least to tune and perfect this system, with precedents going back nearly 800 years. Though the last 90 years has been a roller coaster ride. 

It's just not worth discussing with you - you don't appear to have a clue.

Edited August 3, 2021 by Thunglom

[Thunglom]

I'm really surprised at the assumptions and lack of knowledge of some people on this thread of Thai history...or history in general.

[CharlieH]

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[Damrongsak]

1 hour ago, Thunglom said:

Seriously - you really don't know??

 

 

It's just not worth discussing with you - you don't appear to have a clue.

???  I haven't paid a lot of attention to every little thing over the last 44 years since I lived there working with farmers in Isaan.  The government bureaucracy wasn't so great back then and certainly isn't getting any better.

[zzaa09]

2 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

Maybe it's like the Chinese zodiac "Year of the (snake, monkey, whatever...).  But Thailand added leap years, "Year of the Coup".  A chicken with it's head cut off, running in circles. 

That old satirical adage of the "Coup-of-the-Month-Club" historically holds true...

????

[Damrongsak]

6 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

That old satirical adage of the "Coup-of-the-Month-Club" historically holds true...

????

But it takes them a few years to get around to it.  Be patient.  Many meetings are required.

[RubbaJohnny]

The assertion no coup today may be correct, of course unless, unreported,, they say no coup ever again and any such action would go unrewarded even, told off and made to stand in the corner for 5 minutes, the only error is the timing.

 

Or perhaps 2014 was the acme of achievement coo coo choocheow a coup so pefect and wonderful that it cannot be bettered?

As other suggest a closer study of local history reveals uniqye characteristics and loyalties like a game of groans.Of course as the old addage goes

 

"YOU DON'T NEED CRYSTAL BALLS  WHEN YOU CAN READ THE BOOK"

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, candide said:

The military is just the armed branch of a broader network, although it is de facto a very powerfully one. The network also includes a political branch, an activist branch, a business branch, an administrative branch, and a judiciary branch..... Well, understandably, I'm not going to mention all of it.

In the Harry Potter books Lord Voldemort was referred to as "he who must not be named".  Thailand has a Lord Voldemort branch of government.

[Caldera]

Coup rumors are always fake news until the very minute a coup happens.

 

And based on past performance, a coup can and does happen here from time to time. I think the Thai army will have to live with the perception that they're quite trigger happy when it comes to coups - the shoe fits!

[JensenZ]

10 hours ago, Thunglom said:

Seriously - you really don't know??

 

 

It's just not worth discussing with you - you don't appear to have a clue.

Seriously? you expect people to read your mind. Instead of just baiting, explain your point of view.

[sandyf]

On 8/3/2021 at 8:00 PM, Thunglom said:

Absolutely not - that is how prejudices are born. It just shows how you have relied on a limited viewpoint rather than rally looking into the subject.

If yo want to believe that opinions are not based on personal circumstances it is time you faced the real world.

[Thunglom]

16 minutes ago, sandyf said:

If yo want to believe that opinions are not based on personal circumstances it is time you faced the real world.

QED! - you have clearly missed the irony of your own segment!

you need a course in critical thinking.

Edited August 7, 2021 by Thunglom

[JensenZ]

On 8/4/2021 at 3:11 AM, Thunglom said:

Seriously - you really don't know??

 

 

It's just not worth discussing with you - you don't appear to have a clue.

Please explain why you think Thailand is a democracy? Do you live under a rock?

[Thunglom]

4 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

Please explain why you think Thailand is a democracy? Do you live under a rock?

 

"It's just not worth discussing with you' - you really think I said that? QED

 

[JensenZ]

3 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

 

"It's just not worth discussing with you' - you really think I said that? QED

 

Seriously - I don't know what you were talking about and now it seems you don't either. QED