After a 1st dose AZ- Would you choose a 2nd dose of AZ or a Pfizer jab?

[bbabythai]

In June I had the first dose of AstraZeneca and soon have the option of getting the 2nd dose. 

 

However, there might be the possibility of getting a Pfizer jab instead. 

 

I read about the study in Spain where they are mixing the brands. 

 

I suppose I could just take the 2nd dose of AZ and try to get a Pfizer booster in December thereabouts. 

 

What would you do in my situation? 

thanks

[sanuk711]

9 minutes ago, bbabythai said:

n June I had the first dose of AstraZeneca and soon have the option of getting the 2nd dose.

June---thats a long time between Jabs..... now they are only doing 3 weeks in-between.

I would take the The 2nd Jab & look to see if you can get a Phizer latter.

[EricTh]

I wouldn't mix vaccines from different technologies. Pfizer use mRNA while AZ use viral vector.

 

So-called 'mixed studies' are not very accurate as they sometimes brush off 'deaths' due to vaccination as Covid deaths.

 

I would continue with AZ. Pfizer isn't as effective as reported. Note the  high number of new virus cases in USA and Israel.

 

However, it's your own body and you can do whatever you like.

Edited August 10, 2021 by EricTh

[wprime]

Very little difference in risk of hospitalisation/death (AZ+Pfizer is slightly better). AZ+Pfizer is significantly better at preventing infection.

You know you can tolerate AZ, you don't know you can tolerate Pfizer (though reports of significant side effects of Pfizer are next to zero).

 

Getting Pfizer may mean a delay in getting your 2nd dose. If such is the case, I'd just go with AZ and use the mRNA vaccines later as a booster. If you can get Pfizer instead of AZ in your normal dosing schedule, personally I'd go for it, but there's rarely any significant benefit for an ordinary person to do this (you really only do it if you need to protect those around you like if you're a doctor or live with unvaccinated people).

[bbabythai]

9 minutes ago, sanuk711 said:

June---thats a long time between Jabs..... now they are only doing 3 weeks in-between.

I would take the The 2nd Jab & look to see if you can get a Phizer latter.

The 3 weeks in between is for pfizer jabs

 

WHO recommends 9 to 12 weeks in between AZ jabs. I last checked this a month ago. Maybe they have changed their advice on this?

[Doctor Tom]

Having just had my first AZ shot today (10th August) I do not want to mix vaccines so I wilt wait for my second which is due in 12 weeks time. Mixing vaccines does not sound like a good idea to me. 

[Doctor Tom]

2 minutes ago, bbabythai said:

The 3 weeks in between is for pfizer jabs

 

WHO recommends 9 to 12 weeks in between AZ jabs. I last checked this a month ago. Maybe they have changed their advice on this?

They haven't 

[Doctor Tom]

37 minutes ago, EricTh said:

I wouldn't mix vaccines from different technologies. Pfizer use mRNA while AZ use viral vector.

 

So-called 'mixed studies' are not very accurate as they sometimes brush off 'deaths' due to vaccination as Covid deaths.

 

I would continue with AZ. Pfizer isn't as effective as reported. Note the  high number of new virus cases in USA and Israel.

 

However, it's your own body and you can do whatever you like.

Absolutely agree. There are still enough unknowns on the longer term effects of all of those rushed out Covid vaccines.  Mixing them just seems to me to be adding a further level  of an unknown risk of longer term complications. We need to remember that none of the vaccines produced to date have gone through the usual, rigorous, accepted human trials and reviews processes that accompany the normal, pre pandemic, development of all drugs and vaccines.  That seems often to be forgotten in this rush to vaccinate.  I'm not a denier, far from it, as I have just had my fist AZ shot, but caution is still needed, in my view. Don't mix seems to be a good start to that caution.  

Edited August 10, 2021 by Doctor Tom

[sanuk711]

7 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

Having just had my first AZ shot today (10th August) I do not want to mix vaccines so I wilt wait for my second which is due in 12 weeks time. Mixing vaccines does not sound like a good idea to me. 

I take it your not in Thailand Doctor Tom

 

[Doctor Tom]

Just now, sanuk711 said:

I take it your not in Thailand Doctor Tom

 

BHP is Bangkok Hospital Pattaya, so yes, I am.  

[guzzi850m2]

I will also get my 2nd AZ jab sometime in September.

 

Then when they have done more research regarding boosters, I will see what they say,  likely next year and act accordingly.

[steven100]

9 minutes ago, sanuk711 said:

I take it your not in Thailand Doctor Tom

 

as many of TV posters on here. They pretend to be living in Thailand and moan and b_tch about everything thai but are not even here.    Lol   ????    ( not dr Tom )    but it wasn't specific to Dr Tom .... it was more generalised .... thanks

 

 

 

Edited August 10, 2021 by steven100

[sanuk711]

16 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

BHP is Bangkok Hospital Pattaya, so yes, I am.  

I didn't see the BHP in your last 3 posts....maybe I need a trip to Spec savers....

The NHS has recommended moving all 2 jabs forward to 8 weeks.

Thailand now is giving appointments for 4 weeks (I had a jab in Issan 5 days ago.}

There seems to be a feeling that leaving it to long--more then 12 is a disadvantage.

 

NHS--SECOND DOSE INTERVAL PERIODWhat is the second dose interval period?On 14May 2021, the JCVI recommendedthat the second dose interval be brought forward from 12 to 8 weeks for people in priority cohorts 1-9 who have yet to receive their second dose.Operationally this means that second doses for cohorts 1-9 should take place at 56-63 days https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2021/03/C1254-covid-19-vaccination-programme-faqs-on-second-dose-v2.pdf

 

What happens if I don’t get the second jab within 12 weeks?

It is recommended that you get a second dose within 12 weeks of having the first dose. However, if that isn’t possible for some reason, you should get a second dose as soon as you can to give you better long-term protection against the virus. Depending on how long the delay is, and which vaccine you have, we don’t necessarily have evidence to say whether the delay will affect the level of protection you have. Getting it as soon as you can is the best approach.

 

Sydney’s COVID outbreak has just prompted official advice on the AstraZeneca vaccine to change to encourage more people to get fully vaccinated sooner.

Now, the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) recommends people in outbreak areas have their booster shot at 4-8 weeks after their initial dose rather than wait for 12 weeks. ATAGI now also advises people in outbreak areas under 60 to “re-assess the benefits to them and their contacts” from getting an AstraZeneca vaccine now if the Pfizer vaccine is not available... https://theconversation.com/astrazeneca-advice-has-just-changed-again-heres-what-you-need-to-know-if-youre-in-lockdown-163422

Edited August 10, 2021 by sanuk711

[bbabythai]

10 minutes ago, steven100 said:

as many of TV posters on here. They pretend to be living in Thailand and moan and b_tch about everything thai but are not even here.    Lol   ????    ( not dr Tom )    but it wasn't specific to Dr Tom .... it was more generalised .... thanks

 

 

 

sounds to me like you're the one doing all the bitching my friend... ha ha

[Doctor Tom]

4 minutes ago, sanuk711 said:

I didn't see the BHP in your last 3 posts....maybe I need a trip to Spec savers....

Maybe. ????  I posted this afternoon that I received  my first AZ at BHP today. Its on a separate post, so not your fault, its mine for not making that clear on a different one. 

[chrisandsu]

What people don’t understand is none of these so called ‘vaccinations’ are really vaccinating anyone . They may lessen the effects but you will still be a carrier and it’s highly likely with ‘leaky vaccinations’ that the virus will mutate and make the so called ‘vaccinations’ useless . This has been known for decades ! The measles vaccination is a true vaccination , you could be around people who have measles and be safe in the knowledge you will never get it . The same CAN NOT be said of this . 

Edited August 10, 2021 by chrisandsu

[Havefunme]

And your asking non professionals about your life choices on living 

[chrisandsu]

14 minutes ago, Havefunme said:

And your asking non professionals about your life choices on living 

What professionals would you choose to listen too ? 

[phetphet]

Had my first AZ end of June. Second due 20th September. I would prefer to stick with AZ.

[MrJ2U]

1 hour ago, sanuk711 said:

June---thats a long time between Jabs..... now they are only doing 3 weeks in-between.

I would take the The 2nd Jab & look to see if you can get a Phizer latter.

What do they recommend?

 

I don't mean Anutin and his clan.  Maybe do some research online.

[Andrew Dwyer]

I doubt if you can get a dose of Pfizer as a 2nd shot after an AZ shot.

 

Current Thai policy is to give Pfizer only as a booster after 2 x Sinovac or as a first time vaccination.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

after (earliest) AZ #2 the job is done…..100% Death / Hospital Prevention…..with equal or better infection / symptoms protection. all including Delta. zero medical benefit for 3rd jab…….

[Havefunme]

29 minutes ago, chrisandsu said:

What professionals would you choose to listen too ? 

I didn't say I would ask professionals because no one is, its to new of a vaccine you need to choose what your heart tells you to

[vinci]

in my opinion its best to take both dose before move on for a third as booster

[Sheryl]

No guarantee at all that Pfizer would be made available to people who already had 1 dose AZ. In fact very unlikely witin next 3-6 months.

 

In the allocation of Pfizer for foteignets they are currently  prioriting high risk (elderly or chronic disease)  people who have not received any vaccine as yet.

 

Take the 2nd AZ is my advice.

 

 

[Haveasay]

My 2nd AZ done, no issues with the 2nd, after minor issues with the first.

[bbabythai]

On 8/10/2021 at 11:40 PM, Sheryl said:

No guarantee at all that Pfizer would be made available to people who already had 1 dose AZ. In fact very unlikely witin next 3-6 months.

 

In the allocation of Pfizer for foteignets they are currently  prioriting high risk (elderly or chronic disease)  people who have not received any vaccine as yet.

 

Take the 2nd AZ is my advice.

 

 

Hi, 

Since writing the thread it turns out that I’m on the list to get a Pfizer jab and also my staff have as well. 

 

Its been 9 weeks since my first AZ shot. Im booked in the system to have the 2nd AZ in a few weeks. 

Now I face a huge decision…

 

I read on a website the risks of the Pfizer jab:

A serious complication has been linked to the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines, too. In rare cases, people have developed inflammation of the heart muscle (myocarditis) or inflammation of the lining of the heart (pericarditis). Wood says this happens mostly in younger men, aged under 30, and is more common after dose two, usually about 10 days after.

“The symptoms of that one can include chest pain, palpitations – like your heart skipping a beat – and pain when you breathe in. And sometimes shortness of breath,” he says.

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3 yrs ago I was told by a cardiologist I have:

- Abnormal heart pumping- poor contraction
- Moderately enlarged left ventrical and moderate global hypokinesia
- Enlarged arotic root
- Prolapse of the mitral valves
- cardiomyopathy

 

In my situation having read the risks and having been diagnosed with minor heart issues above do you think I should avoid having the Pfizer jab? Should I just proceed with the AZ?

Thanks for your opinion on this

 

[Sheryl]

11 hours ago, bbabythai said:

Hi, 

Since writing the thread it turns out that I’m on the list to get a Pfizer jab and also my staff have as well. 

 

Its been 9 weeks since my first AZ shot. Im booked in the system to have the 2nd AZ in a few weeks. 

Now I face a huge decision…

 

I read on a website the risks of the Pfizer jab:

A serious complication has been linked to the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines, too. In rare cases, people have developed inflammation of the heart muscle (myocarditis) or inflammation of the lining of the heart (pericarditis). Wood says this happens mostly in younger men, aged under 30, and is more common after dose two, usually about 10 days after.

“The symptoms of that one can include chest pain, palpitations – like your heart skipping a beat – and pain when you breathe in. And sometimes shortness of breath,” he says.

______________
3 yrs ago I was told by a cardiologist I have:

- Abnormal heart pumping- poor contraction
- Moderately enlarged left ventrical and moderate global hypokinesia
- Enlarged arotic root
- Prolapse of the mitral valves
- cardiomyopathy

 

In my situation having read the risks and having been diagnosed with minor heart issues above do you think I should avoid having the Pfizer jab? Should I just proceed with the AZ?

Thanks for your opinion on this

 

 

Those are not "minor" heart issues, far from it. They are very significant ones esp the myopathy.

 

I don't think this history would affect your (very, very low) risk of developing myocarditis from the vaccine -- but they could well affect your ability to tolerate that if it did occur. and your underlying cardiomyopathy might worsen as a rersult.

 

As I previously said, I do not think they will in any case give you Pfizer knowing you already had AZ. The Pfizer doses are limited to people with no prior immunization at this time.