Shocked at Pattaya

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The op and my reply refer to crime due to the pandemic and the hardship it has created for many. 

I started with "seriously" because I wasn't sure if you were.

As for Thais resorting to crime when things go pear shaped, we've seen that before when Purachai ruined the nite life and the newly unemployed increased the crime rate. I expect no difference now.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Cherrytreeview said:

Who feeds the homeless in Pattaya?

A lot of expat farang business owners who get no help or support from the Thai government.

While I am not disagreeing with your post, that is what happens in a capitalist society, which is IMO what Thailand is. Can't be compared with the UK which is IMO socialist ( with a small s ).

[CrunchWrapSupreme]

I've also been watching the Pattaya YouTubes. They mostly follow the same format, farang going for a stroll down the sois with his camera on a gimbal, giving us a status report.

 

Well in a recent one, as this farang made his stroll, I noticed TWO others also strolling with their cameras. One coming at him from the opposite direction, and one walking across the street. No less than three farangs filming Patts at the same time. Hah.

 

I suppose that's one way to fund your extended holiday on Covid extensions. Though I suspect they're nearing market saturation. Is YouTube money that good? The schools still need some English teachers.

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

The schools still need some English teachers.

Schools are closed and need nobody!

[kcpattaya]

Try to make it on the front-page of Bangkok Post because it's your birthday.
Now, shoot a few people randomly in a shopping mall.
It's called click-bait.

It doesn't reflect the ACTUAL situation AT ALL.
And there are NO safety concerns whatsoever.

 

[Rimmer]

Off topic post about UK removed

[actonion]

21 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Beggars/poor people can get fed at any temple on condition that the monks have already eaten and there is food left over. Dunno if the dogs get priority over beggars.

Our local temple  kicks the dogs out.....

 

[aussienam]

Agree with other posters here.  The YouTube videos displaying derelict buildings and homeless are making out like it is like this all over Pattaya. 

 

I have seen the videos. The camera operators focus only on those areas.

They are often deceptive and misleading with sensational titles.  Pure Clickbait to attract viewers and generate YouTube income.  

 

They concentrate on a small area of some abandoned sites and the same groups of homeless people who loiter in the same areas. 

I recognized several in the videos and some were already homeless before the pandemic.  Sad that they are not taken care of.  Quite a few are disabled physically and/or mentally.  Of course the homeless numbers have increased since COVID.

 

The majority of Pattaya is a scene of shuttered bars and clubs (unless they are selling food under allowed restaurant conditions) intermixed with opened businesses. 

 

The situation economically is dire of course and Thais are suffering.  But thankfully most are not on the street homeless and begging.  Seeing people lining up for free food is sad to see.  

Edited September 22, 2021 by aussienam

[Pattaya Spotter]

5 hours ago, ta158 said:

What are you on about, thais are like any other people in the world, they are not immune to not resorting to crime, you just don't seem to be well informed about how thailands bad side work, as almost no crime news gets published to English speaking thai news pages anyways.

Of course if you had bothered to read AND comprehend my post, it is clear it refers to resorting to criminal behavior because of the hard economic times many Thais are suffering due to the pandemic. If large parts of Detroit, Chicago, Washington DC, or Los Angeles were as deserted and abandoned as much of Pattaya and other Thai resort destinations, they would be nothing more than looted shells of stores and businesses and burned down neighborhoods. 

[Pattaya Spotter]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I started with "seriously" because I wasn't sure if you were.

As for Thais resorting to crime when things go pear shaped, we've seen that before when Purachai ruined the nite life and the newly unemployed increased the crime rate. I expect no difference now.

I've lived in Thailand for over twenty years and I've not noticed (nor read about) any increase in crime rates during my time here. In particular, I've not felt any increased danger during the past two years of the pandemic, when many Thais are quite skint.

[IvorBiggun2]

11 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I've not felt any increased danger during the past two years of the pandemic

Crime in Pattaya has increased significantly over the last 3 years.    https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Pattaya

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Crime in Pattaya has increased significantly over the last 3 years.    https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Pattaya

I doubt that..... lack of tourism for 1. 1/2 years should seriously bring that number down.... I really question that source.

[IvorBiggun2]

8 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

I really question that source.

Try looking at these. If they appear to be accurate then the crime rate is more than likely correct.

• Quality of Life in Pattaya
• Cost of Living in Pattaya
• Health Care in Pattaya
• Pollution in Pattaya
• Property Prices in Pattaya
• Traffic in Pattaya

[jacko45k]

8 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Try looking at these. If they appear to be accurate then the crime rate is more than likely correct.

• Quality of Life in Pattaya
• Cost of Living in Pattaya
• Health Care in Pattaya
• Pollution in Pattaya
• Property Prices in Pattaya
• Traffic in Pattaya

Well it does say :-

Contributors: 122

Last update: September 2021

These data are based on perceptions of visitors of this website in the past 3 years. 

I would like to know the timeframe of thee 122 contributors... ie how old is the oldest. I am in Pattaya now and surprisingly, crime is very low. 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Of course if you had bothered to read AND comprehend my post, it is clear it refers to resorting to criminal behavior because of the hard economic times many Thais are suffering due to the pandemic. If large parts of Detroit, Chicago, Washington DC, or Los Angeles were as deserted and abandoned as much of Pattaya and other Thai resort destinations, they would be nothing more than looted shells of stores and businesses and burned down neighborhoods. 

Perhaps because Thais face severe consequences for such behaviour, compared to what is apparently meted out in the US.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I've lived in Thailand for over twenty years and I've not noticed (nor read about) any increase in crime rates during my time here. In particular, I've not felt any increased danger during the past two years of the pandemic, when many Thais are quite skint.

Were you in Pattaya for years before Purachai decended upon it? The Pattaya Mail certainly reported an increase in crimes at the time.

Edited September 22, 2021 by thaibeachlovers

[IvorBiggun2]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

I am in Pattaya now and surprisingly, crime is very low. 

Cuz there are no tourists. Increase the tourists and crime will rise accordingly. Obvious really. 

[Seismic]

On 9/21/2021 at 9:16 AM, DaLa said:

I live in Nonthaburi, have a house in Cha Am and stayed in Pattaya  last week.  There hasn't been a great change in the former, Cha Am is quiet during the week but busy (ish) at weekends and OK Pattaya is (very) quiet.  I still feel relatively safe here, The UK is full to the brim of homeless and street people. OK, the bars here are closed and obviously if you're involved in the tourism industry there has been a devastating shift in your business, but that has also been mostly true worldwide.

 

On balance although I'm not happy about my meals being served with water, parks being closed, very restrictive international travel and the 9 PM curfew, on balance I don't personally think the situation is as bad as some people portray.

Spoken like someone who is clearly not one of those same homeless and destitute people.

 

[Cherrytreeview]

1 hour ago, Seismic said:

Spoken like someone who is clearly not one of those same homeless and destitute people.

 

And couldn't care less about them.

The lowest of the low.

[ta158]

10 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I've lived in Thailand for over twenty years and I've not noticed (nor read about) any increase in crime rates during my time here. In particular, I've not felt any increased danger during the past two years of the pandemic, when many Thais are quite skint.

As if thai police or news publish crime rates, also news barely publish crimes unless its shootings or stabbings (which not all is even published) tons of crimes go unreported or unpublished. 

[ta158]

10 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I've lived in Thailand for over twenty years and I've not noticed (nor read about) any increase in crime rates during my time here. In particular, I've not felt any increased danger during the past two years of the pandemic, when many Thais are quite skint.

Being able to read thai opens up about crime happening which people or pages post on facebook, i am from pqttaya our house was burgled 2 months ago, my family went to the local police station and filed a report, the cop laughed and said we get 10 such reports almost daily in that area, and said not much they can do except telling us to reach out to the insurance company if we had insurance. All crimes I read about in thai news language, none of them gets published to English thai news pages

[jacko45k]

14 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Cuz there are no tourists. Increase the tourists and crime will rise accordingly. Obvious really. 

Well yes, so any reports claiming crime is increasing here is total BS right now!

[thaibeachlovers]

41 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Well yes, so any reports claiming crime is increasing here is total BS right now!

If no tourists they'll rob locals. It's not just about us is it?

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If no tourists they'll rob locals. It's not just about us is it?

But I don't think crime has escalated in the slightest, if anything, much diminished... and to be honest I am pleased at that, as I feared things might get bad.

It has always been difficult to evaluate crime levels here, I know for a fact the local newspapers were asked not to print too many such negative reports. 

[Henryford]

19 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps because Thais face severe consequences for such behaviour, compared to what is apparently meted out in the US.

I thought the USA was quite strict (the biggest number in prison in the world). Compared to say the UK where you can do anything and not get sent to jail.

[Pattaya Spotter]

23 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Crime in Pattaya has increased significantly over the last 3 years.    https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Pattaya

Do you have any real statistics or just personal anecdotes from a crowdsourced internet site?

[Pattaya Spotter]

21 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps because Thais face severe consequences for such behaviour, compared to what is apparently meted out in the US.

That's certainly part of it...looting and rioting isn't a protected civil right in Thailand like it is in many cities/states in the US.

[Pattaya Spotter]

21 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Were you in Pattaya for years before Purachai decended upon it? The Pattaya Mail certainly reported an increase in crimes at the time.

Did muggings go from one a month to two...that's a 100% increase but not very significant. As I said, I perceived no decrease in personal security during my two decades in Thailand, have never been a victim of a crime, nor has any of my friends. Your perceptions and experience may be different.

[Pattaya Spotter]

12 hours ago, ta158 said:

 in that area

Ghetto ???? Yeah every city has a "bad neighborhood(s)," have you considered moving? I've lived in 3 different moobaans in East Pattaya and never been burgled. As criminal behavior in general is so low...the Thai perception of crime is very high...that accounts for the dramatic coverage of it in the Thai press when it happens. Also, much of the violent crime is inter-personal, familial, or business related. Random stranger danger is quite rare...unlike in the West.

Edited September 23, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter

[DaLa]

18 hours ago, Seismic said:

Spoken like someone who is clearly not one of those same homeless and destitute people.

 

Spoken as a business owner in Thailand employing and still paying our staff although we are losing money due to still having to pay rent. Correct, I'm not homeless but our staff aren't destitute either.  We have been impacted by the Thai government , and my point is  that other than in a few areas hit hard by the lack of tourism the situation is not as bad as youtube 'documentaries' portray. 

Two of our Myanmar staff who cannot pay their rent are staying at our shops , otherwise technically they would be homeless.

Please list your tangible efforts to help others during this pandemic.