Have Faith in What... Listen to Who?
 

It's hard to know what to think with so much conflicting information still doing the rounds globally. And when the big wigs of the medical profession silent other experts who dare to disagree... well, it doesn't exactly install confidence in the public at large. Counterarguments  are quickly buried, but they're still out there for anyone interested in the mature debate.
 

Danish Physician and Medical Researcher, Peter C. Gøtzsche, says... 
 

"No-one should take a new drug that’s been on the market for less than seven years, in light of the fact that it often takes that long for dangers to become known, and dangerous drugs to be pulled off the market."
 

But on a cheerier note...
 

Swedish doctor, Sebastian Rushworth M.D. has this to say.
 

"The idea that herd immunity can only be reached with vaccines is perhaps the most laughable idea to be heavily promulgated during the pandemic, at least to everyone with even a little knowledge of immunology and history. 
 

Eighteen months in to the pandemic, most countries are at or on the cusp of herd immunity, regardless of how effective they have been at vaccinating their populations. There is no need to force the remaining 15-30% of the population to take a vaccine they don't want. The end of the pandemic is in sight."
 

Stubby

6 hours ago, Stubby said:

  

Have Faith in What... Listen to Who?
 

It's hard to know what to think with so much conflicting information still doing the rounds globally. And when the big wigs of the medical profession silent other experts who dare to disagree... well, it doesn't exactly install confidence in the public at large. Counterarguments  are quickly buried, but they're still out there for anyone interested in the mature debate.
 

Danish Physician and Medical Researcher, Peter C. Gøtzsche, says... 
 

"No-one should take a new drug that’s been on the market for less than seven years, in light of the fact that it often takes that long for dangers to become known, and dangerous drugs to be pulled off the market."
 

But on a cheerier note...
 

Swedish doctor, Sebastian Rushworth M.D. has this to say.
 

"The idea that herd immunity can only be reached with vaccines is perhaps the most laughable idea to be heavily promulgated during the pandemic, at least to everyone with even a little knowledge of immunology and history. 
 

Eighteen months in to the pandemic, most countries are at or on the cusp of herd immunity, regardless of how effective they have been at vaccinating their populations. There is no need to force the remaining 15-30% of the population to take a vaccine they don't want. The end of the pandemic is in sight."
 

Stubby

Cherry picking much?

14 hours ago, placeholder said:

Cherry picking much?

Not really, just pointing out that there are other experts who have different views, and maybe they should be heard, too.

1 minute ago, Stubby said:

Not really, just pointing out that there are other experts who have different views, and maybe they should be heard, too.

But without pointing out that they constitute a tiny minority is misleading.

22 hours ago, Stubby said:

  

Have Faith in What... Listen to Who?
 

It's hard to know what to think with so much conflicting information still doing the rounds globally. And when the big wigs of the medical profession silent other experts who dare to disagree... well, it doesn't exactly install confidence in the public at large. Counterarguments  are quickly buried, but they're still out there for anyone interested in the mature debate.
 

Danish Physician and Medical Researcher, Peter C. Gøtzsche, says... 
 

"No-one should take a new drug that’s been on the market for less than seven years, in light of the fact that it often takes that long for dangers to become known, and dangerous drugs to be pulled off the market."
 

But on a cheerier note...
 

Swedish doctor, Sebastian Rushworth M.D. has this to say.
 

"The idea that herd immunity can only be reached with vaccines is perhaps the most laughable idea to be heavily promulgated during the pandemic, at least to everyone with even a little knowledge of immunology and history. 
 

Eighteen months in to the pandemic, most countries are at or on the cusp of herd immunity, regardless of how effective they have been at vaccinating their populations. There is no need to force the remaining 15-30% of the population to take a vaccine they don't want. The end of the pandemic is in sight."
 

Stubby

Don’t even need any knowledge in immunology. A little common sense goes a long way. Starting with a huge red flag that covid is as or more infectious than normal flu but somehow it has failed to infect at least 1 billion people around the world that flu would easily infect yearly. It’s either that highly infectious and the official published number of infections is nonsensical bs or it’s much less infectious than flu. Can’t be both ways. Until this biggest statistical lie is sorted everything else is not trustworthy. Applying common sense is the only way to stay sane when they require to throw sanity away and just do as you are ordered.

What is he talking about?

 

There is no need to get vaccinated once you have recovered from the virus.

 

It's our immune system that fights against the virus and not the vaccine.

 

The vaccine presents the weakened virus or part of the virus antigen.

 

Once the real virus comes into our body, our immune system kicks in and will build up the memory cells over several months for the next round of attack.

 

This is basic immunology studied in microbiology.

9 minutes ago, EricTh said:

What is he talking about?

 

There is no need to get vaccinated once you have recovered from the virus.

 

It's our immune system that fights against the virus and not the vaccine.

 

The vaccine stimulate the weakened virus or part of the virus antigen.

 

Once the real virus comes into our body, our immune system kicks in and will build up the memory cells over several months for the next round of attack.

 

This is basic immunology studied in microbiology.

The whole situation is more an exercise in obedience than pandemic, the biggest social experiment the world has ever seen. References to real science are highly discouraged and often ostracized.

24 minutes ago, EricTh said:

What is he talking about?

 

There is no need to get vaccinated once you have recovered from the virus.

 

It's our immune system that fights against the virus and not the vaccine.

 

The vaccine presents the weakened virus or part of the virus antigen.

 

Once the real virus comes into our body, our immune system kicks in and will build up the memory cells over several months for the next round of attack.

 

This is basic immunology studied in microbiology.

This basic immunology studied in microbiology is not something you studied then ???

 

It has been established that antibodies wane over time, also, immunity involves more than just antibodies, T-Cell memory is also a facet. 

 

Natural immunity combined with vaccines has been proven to present a stronger immune response.

Mixed vaccines has also been proven to present a stronger immune response.

 

Both natural immunity and vaccine immunity diminishes over time hence the requirement for ‘boosters’.

 

Thus: Anyone who has had Covid-19 may carry ’natural immunity’, however, that immunity could have been to a ‘previous’ variant, the natural immunity may not be effective or may be effective to a lesser degree to more recent variants, additionally any immunity may have reduced over time. 

 

Thus: the belief that vaccines are pointless for those who have previously exposed to SARS-CoV-2 and had Covid-19 is flawed.

 

 

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, EricTh said:

What is he talking about? There is no need to get vaccinated once you have recovered from the virus.

A British doctor was talking about the same thing on TV just the other day. But he went further. He said that vaccinating people who have recovered from COVID19 made them more vulnerable to a second infection. In other words, it would weaken, not strengthen, their natural defense. It doesn't help things with so many conflicting opinions 18 months into the pandemic, or should that read endemic now? I rest my case.

3 minutes ago, Stubby said:

A British doctor was talking about the same thing on TV just the other day. But he went further. He said that vaccinating people who have recovered from COVID19 made them more vulnerable to a second infection. In other words, it would weaken, not strengthen, their natural defense. It doesn't help things with so many conflicting opinions 18 months into the pandemic, or should that read endemic now? I rest my case.

Convincing. An anonymous doctor makes an assertion. Was that doctor a qualified epidemiologist or virologist? Once again, you're cherry picking. What's the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community? Recent actual scientific studies show that those who were symptomatically infected with covid and then inoculated with vaccine actually had the highest levels of antibodies of all groups. But what is actual scientific evidence worth compared to the testimony of some random doctor on TV?

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

But without pointing out that they constitute a tiny minority is misleading.

But you're not suggesting a minority voice can't possibly be correct and should therefore be ignored, right? Do you even know how afraid most medical experts are of saying what they really think about something? My guess is that there's a silent majority behind these brave individuals who dare to speak out.

51 minutes ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

Don’t even need any knowledge

Your post makes no sense to me.

13 minutes ago, Stubby said:

But you're not suggesting a minority voice can't possibly be correct and should therefore be ignored, right? Do you even know how afraid most medical experts are of saying what they really think about something? My guess is that there's a silent majority behind these brave individuals who dare to speak out.

Thanks for the "proof". Is that the best you can do? Your suspicions? Convenient that, since it can't be checked by facts. Like for instance the fact that recent studies show those who were infected by covid and then vaccinated actually had the highest levels of antibodies. I guess your alleged "silent majority" doesn't believe that,either?